Tim Tebow's dad wants to convert Catholics in the Philippines?

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Lost_Wanderer said:
o.O Really? It sure wasn’t in the news. :confused:
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It was.

philippinenews.com/latest-news/5479.html
“Religion has become a focus for him, and he and Jinkee take bible study classes with a preacher several times a week. The fighter discusses religious verses and their meaning with Pastor Jeric Soriano and has encouraged his driver, bodyguard and other members of his entourage to take part. On his next trip to the United States, he will again seek out a local man of faith, Pastor Rice Brooks, whom he has turned to in the past.”
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Same news was posted on Yahoo! News.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Sounds more like a classic case of a Filipino not knowing the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism to be honest. :\

Then again, that’s exactly the sort of ignorance that Protestant missionaries exploit. -.-
Why can’t they just go after Kris Aquino? 7_7
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Funny I thought her annulment claim was that wedding wasn’t officiated by a mayor but by a Protestant clergyman and the protection of church authority clause was in play since both were nominally Catholics
 
Slinger said:
What are you talking about when you refer to “silently”? Do you not realize that both Catholic and Protestant missionaries have lost their lives evangelizing in some of these countries? Anyone who has the courage to follow where the Holy Spirit leads them has my respect and I pray for God’s protection over them. Do you think it is okay to put someone down who is obviously a Christian just because they are not Catholic? I understand not supporting their ministry but why would you be critical of them when you truly do not have the experience of what they are doing? You are making assumptions as are some of the people in this thread. It’s the same thing as being critical of Protestants who criticize Catholics. It is divisive and un-Christian behavior

**I personally don’t care, Catholic or Protestant, if a person is brought to Christ through the results of missions./**QUOTE]

Personally I do care.🙂
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ConstantineTG said:
I agree. But the problem her is missionaries like the Tebows are not targetting non-Christians. They are proselytizing Catholics. Well, of course they think Catholics are not Christians. Just look at his statement. A country that is today about 80% Catholic (I would put it close to 60% still active in some way even though nominal) is said to have 75% not hearing about the Gospel? He clearly means the Catholics.
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All I can say is that I have personal experience in evangelical missions as my oldest daughter has spent many summers in prominently Catholic parts of the world doing missions work. Her team and the leadership never looked at their work as trying to convert Catholics to “their side”. They aren’t anti-Catholic either…my daughter is very seriously dating a Catholic young man, attends church and retreats with him on occasion and has best friends who are Catholic. His parents have financially supported her in her missions. She never asks someone “are you Catholic?” if they approach their ministry as their only interest is to help them know Jesus. I am guessing that the Tebow family is very similar in their approach.

Do you know that there are a great number of people in the US (a “Christian” nation) that would refer to themselves as Christian but never really know Christ? I am just guessing that is probably not something unique to the US in regards to a largely Catholic country. Just because a census or survey says people tend to be Catholic or Christian does not mean that they know the Lord like they should. Does that mean that Christian missionaries should ignore those people and just assume they are okay? If that was the case then why would the Tebow family feel called to continue their ministry there?
 
andrewstx said:
I wrote Bob Tebow asking why he can’t evangelise the Muslims and Pagans in the Phillipines instead of proseletyzing the Christians who are already there.

Wel’l see what if any answer I get.
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You’ll probably get the same answer I got when I emailed the organization that was organizing the mission trip to Athens during the Summer Olympics in 2004.
 
Slinger said:
All I can say is that I have personal experience in evangelical missions as my oldest daughter has spent many summers in prominently Catholic parts of the world doing missions work. Her team and the leadership never looked at their work as trying to convert Catholics to “their side”. They aren’t anti-Catholic either…my daughter is very seriously dating a Catholic young man, attends church and retreats with him on occasion and has best friends who are Catholic. His parents have financially supported her in her missions. She never asks someone “are you Catholic?” if they approach their ministry as their only interest is to help them know Jesus. I am guessing that the Tebow family is very similar in their approach.

**Do you know that there are a great number of people in the US (a “Christian” nation) that would refer to themselves as Christian but never really know Christ? ** I am just guessing that is probably not something unique to the US in regards to a largely Catholic country. Just because a census or survey says people tend to be Catholic or Christian does not mean that they know the Lord like they should. Does that mean that Christian missionaries should ignore those people and just assume they are okay? If that was the case then why would the Tebow family feel called to continue their ministry there?
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Ok, answer a few questions…who made you or anyone else the sheriff to decide who does and who does not know Christ? Secondly what is your ruler or mesuring rod to satisfy that need to know who knows? Next tell me what it is that I can have that you seem to know that I can be sure that people know the Lord like they should…tell me what is it they should know?

I believe that they should know that the Lord has a family,Mary is the Mother of the Lord and we are His brothers making Mary our Mother and that means that God is our Father and we are incorporated into the family…👍

What,.tell me what you know.🙂
 
katherine2001 said:
You’ll probably get the same answer I got when I emailed the organization that was organizing the mission trip to Athens during the Summer Olympics in 2004.
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I plan to call and ask some questions…

Bob Tebow Evangelistic Association
8834-F Goodby’s Executive Drive
Jacksonville, Florida 32217
904/389-2099

I understand that you are bringing the Gospel…good…
Now so we can be on the same page can you tell me the Gospel you are bringing…
I understand that there are 86 million Filipinos that have not heard it…

I will post my conversation…
 
4square baby do you belive that Catholics are Christians or no? Or do you like my 3square cousins beleive that we are Christians only if we “get saved” first?

I really would like an answer since this is at the heart of this thread.

Bob Tebow wants to proseletyze, not evangelise Catholics becuase to him Catholics are not Christians.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ok, answer a few questions…who made you or anyone else the sheriff to decide who does and who does not know Christ? Secondly what is your ruler or mesuring rod to satisfy that need to know who knows? Next tell me what it is that I can have that you seem to know that I can be sure that people know the Lord like they should…tell me what is it they should know?
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One thing I do have to correct is the use of the words “there are a great number” as I do not have figures for that assumption. However, I have read articles pointing to this and talked to many people who used to refer to themselves as Christian simply because of the religion of their childhood. They confessed they never really had a spiritual connection with Christ.

That being said, I do not claim to have the knowledge of particular individuals and where they are spiritually. However, I would defer to the Holy Spirit to guide those who are searching to people who can help them which is why missionaries are always needed. There are lost souls everywhere.
 
It seems as if this thread is taking a very nasty turn…people trying to find ways to harass Christian missionaries.
 
Slinger said:
It seems as if this thread is taking a very nasty turn…people trying to find ways to harass Christian missionaries.
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No one is harrasing Christian missionaries.

We may be harrasing proseletyzers who mistakenly think that they are the only Christians.
 
Slinger said:
One thing I do have to correct is the use of the words “there are a great number” as I do not have figures for that assumption. However, I have read articles pointing to this and talked to many people who used to refer to themselves as Christian simply because of the religion of their childhood. They confessed they never really had a spiritual connection with Christ.

That being said, I do not claim to have the knowledge of particular individuals and where they are spiritually. However, I would defer to the Holy Spirit to guide those who are searching to people who can help them which is why missionaries are always needed. There are lost souls everywhere.
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It’s one thing to say a person is a Christian but never had a really spiritual connection with Christ but another thing to say that a person doesn’t know Christ at all.

The first would fit Filipinos more as I’ve known even Catholic publications to say we are full CINO’s. However, the latter is a label more befitting the likes of the Chinese, Indians, Singaporeans, or Japanese.

And now that I think about it, why can’t he focus on Japan or Singapore instead? There are no terrorists there. :rolleyes:
 
andrewstx said:
4square baby do you belive that Catholics are Christians or no? Or do you like my 3square cousins beleive that we are Christians only if we “get saved” first?

I really would like an answer since this is at the heart of this thread.

Bob Tebow wants to proseletyze, not evangelise Catholics becuase to him Catholics are not Christians.
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I’m not 4square, but I am Pentecostal. I believe that there are many children born to Pentecostal parents who dedicated their children to Christ. As their children grew, the parents taught them about Christ and took them to church regularly. Eventually, those children put their trust and faith in Christ, were baptized and grew up to be God-fearing Christ-loving Pentecostals.

I also know of Pentecostal parents who dedicated their children to Christ. As their children grew, these parents did not take them to church regularly and did not teach them about God. Eventually, as a coming of age thing, these parents brought their pre-teen kids to church long enough to so they could be baptized and take part in some youth group activities. Then they stop coming to church, and their kids only come back on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals. These children are said to be “Pentecostal” but are they really? They have only the most tenuous connection to their church. They need to be evangelized. They need to be converted.

I think there are many Catholic families like the first type of Pentecostal. I also believe there are many Catholic families like the second type of Pentecostal family. The facts are somewhat different, but the pattern is the same.
 
Okay, question for Protestants and the liberally-minded Catholics.
Do you believe the purpose of Tebow’s dad is to make better Catholics or Orthodox out of the Filipino’s he encounters? Or to create more Baptists for his ‘mission’?
 
I recall hearing about how the Eastern Orthodox were also sort of angry at the Catholic Church for evangelizing in their territory as well.
 
andrewstx said:
4square baby do you belive that Catholics are Christians or no? Or do you like my 3square cousins beleive that we are Christians only if we “get saved” first?

I really would like an answer since this is at the heart of this thread.

Bob Tebow wants to proseletyze, not evangelise Catholics becuase to him Catholics are not Christians.
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ltwin said:
I’m not 4square, but I am Pentecostal. I believe that there are many children born to Pentecostal parents who dedicated their children to Christ. As their children grew, the parents taught them about Christ and took them to church regularly. Eventually, those children put their trust and faith in Christ, were baptized and grew up to be God-fearing Christ-loving Pentecostals.

I also know of Pentecostal parents who dedicated their children to Christ. As their children grew, these parents did not take them to church regularly and did not teach them about God. Eventually, as a coming of age thing, these parents brought their pre-teen kids to church long enough to so they could be baptized and take part in some youth group activities. Then they stop coming to church, and their kids only come back on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals. These children are said to be “Pentecostal” but are they really? They have only the most tenuous connection to their church. They need to be evangelized. They need to be converted.

I think there are many Catholic families like the first type of Pentecostal. I also believe there are many Catholic families like the second type of Pentecostal family. The facts are somewhat different, but the pattern is the same.
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I agree. put plainly in the Philippines most Catholics are Christians, or become Christians. but some do not. The Tebow’s, the Gordon Robinsons of 700 Club Asia and the 5%… are there for those people. A corner of the world should not walled off and those people left behind because Spain’s army once upon a time kept others away. There was a famous politician who got an annulment because although he went through the rituals he said he didn’t mean it. I don’t count the people who go through the motions and don’t mean it however if an alternative is not giving to him will he ever move beyond faking a ritual or will his seeking lead him to the large Ingelsia Ni Cristo or the microscopic in numbers Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses?

I also believe Bob Tebow disagrees with me
 
I think the problem is twofold:
  1. Some noncatholic christians believe catholics aren’t christian.
  2. The same noncatholic christians waste their efforts on catholics, while ignoring the REAL nonchristians, i.e. muslims, jews, atheists, hindus, sikhs, JW’s, mormons, agnostics, …
 
JustaServant said:
Okay, question for Protestants and the liberally-minded Catholics.
Do you believe the purpose of Tebow’s dad is to make better Catholics or Orthodox out of the Filipino’s he encounters? Or to create more Baptists for his ‘mission’?
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Since I do not have first hand knowledge of Bob Tebow’s mission then I can only make the assumption that he is led by the Holy Spirit to do what he does and where he does it. Generally that is how missionaries work in my own experience. I would also assume they are not literally grabbing people and forcing them to listen to them.
 
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