Tim Tebow's dad wants to convert Catholics in the Philippines?

[Lost_Wanderer]

One of the tragedies is that people who are on the outside looking in do not understand the Phillipines. I have been there many times. In many parts of the world like the People’s Republic for instance there is not that instant welcome…In the Phillipines people are open,smiling, happy, and it does not matter what strata of society you encounter there you are welcome with open arms. There is genuine welcome from all and that is what Tebow is taking advantage of…

Yep, that’s us. Hospitable to a fault (especially towards foreigners). Is it no wonder that we’ve been colonized three times? (I shudder to think what Andres Bonifacio would do if he ever saw our country now. -.- )

Personally, I find myself leaning close to being an exception but even then I have doubts that it’s a good thing.

On one hand, it makes it easier for me to not fall for the likes of missionaries such as Tebow. On the other hand though, I come off as grouchy, anti-social, and with absolutely nothing nice to say about well, anything.

Smoky mountain is the dump in Manila where people live and visitng Smoky Mountain, the people there are in a desparate situation and yet there is joy in their eyes…

It’s a double-edged state of mind if you ask me. The poor seem so resigned to their state that it’s often taken advantage of by the corruption that plagues the upper levels of this nation. Politicians. Land owners. Rich families.

Heck even celebrities join in on the brainwashing. Honestly, every time I see the TV on and there’s a telenovela once again pitting poor characters against rich villains… I feel like throwing a bolo at it (or if I’m in a less patriotic mood, wish I could Rasengan the bloody thing). Instead of trying to bridge such gaps, these producers feed on the hostility and the divide. It makes me sick.

 

[onemangang]

Unfortunately one of the reasons many evangelicals consider Catholics to be uninformed about the Gospel is that many people publicly identify themselves as Catholics who do not practice or have good understanding of their faith. My husband’s family is Italian Anerican and all are quick to identify themselves as Catholic, have their kids baptized, etc. but almost none of them have any understanding of their Faith and most of them only go to Church for baptisms, weddings, etc. I doubt any of them could name the apostles, tell you what John 3:16 says, tell you what books are in the old vs. New Testament, etc. Many of them are pro-choice. Let’s face it, the kind of knowledgeable, committed Catholics you find on CAF arent always the kind of Catholics you encounter in real life. So if you’ve mostly met Nancy Pelosi type Catholics or just the run of the mill poorly catechized type like many of my relatives, who couldn’t defend their beliefs if their life depended on it, is it hard to think you would believe that Catholics aren’t “saved” and haven’t really been exposed to the Gospel?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It also doesn’t help when the country’s national hero is an ardent critic of the Catholic Church. A problem that has always been utilized by leftist of today when the Catholic church delves with Philippine state affairs.

I can’t say Rizal was a critic of the Church as much as he was a critic of Spain’s corrupted monopoly of it. Do take note, he dedicated El Filibusterismo to the famous Gomburza (three Filipino Catholic priests executed on shoddy grounds that had nothing to do with the Church but everything to do with the tyranny of Spanish rule).

 

[SamTheNewfie]

For those who are criticising the Tebows for not trying to evangelize in Muslim countries, his sister is doing just that:
christianindex.org/3831.article

 

[CopticChristian]

For those who are criticising the Tebows for not trying to evangelize in Muslim countries, his sister is doing just that:
christianindex.org/3831.article

It is great that they are in South Asia. I cannot for the life of me figure out what city they are in. It is sad that this is the tract that they are using…

btea.org/goodnewsforyou.asp

Rather than introduce people to what Christianity is and should be they engage people with a carrot, something for me, and then not tell them…oh by the way…this is the Baptist, Protestant point of view that may or may not be true…but let us promise you something that will get your attention…at whatever cost…even if it is not true.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It is great that they are in South Asia. I cannot for the life of me figure out what city they are in. It is sad that this is the tract that they are using…

btea.org/goodnewsforyou.asp

Rather than introduce people to what Christianity is and should be they engage people with a carrot, something for me, and then not tell them…oh by the way…this is the Baptist, Protestant point of view that may or may not be true…but let us promise you something that will get your attention…at whatever cost…even if it is not true.

Ah those tracts. Not as bad as Chick tracts but still, stuff like these were rampant during the one time I attended a Protestant school in 6th grade.

Am I wrong to say I’m tempted to parody such tracts? (Not necessarily in a pro-Catholic fashion either )

 

[ConstantineTG]

I can’t say Rizal was a critic of the Church as much as he was a critic of Spain’s corrupted monopoly of it. Do take note, he dedicated El Filibusterismo to the famous Gomburza (three Filipino Catholic priests executed on shoddy grounds that had nothing to do with the Church but everything to do with the tyranny of Spanish rule).

Rizal’s a Freemason, he’s anti-Catholic.

 

[onemangang]

It is great that they are in South Asia. I cannot for the life of me figure out what city they are in. It is sad that this is the tract that they are using…

btea.org/goodnewsforyou.asp

Rather than introduce people to what Christianity is and should be they engage people with a carrot, something for me, and then not tell them…oh by the way…this is the Baptist, Protestant point of view that may or may not be true…but let us promise you something that will get your attention…at whatever cost…even if it is not true.

Many people say they are opposed to a sacramental economy and reject it as ritualism made up by men. The sinners prayer is just that for many evangelical protestants, it is as if, it is both, a sacramental to receive the Holy Spirit and it’s done ritualistically during many evangelical services. …Cue the melodic guitar riff… Does anyone out there feel the Holy Spirit pulling their heart strings right now, do you feel like God is calling you towards Himself? If so, I would like for you to stand up so we can have some people pray for you! If any of you feel like your being called, I would like for you to stand up for Jesus, right here, right now, you can seal your eternity in heaven with Him, just come on forward to the front of the sanctuary, an I will pray with you. If you don’t feel like standing up, maybe your a little shy, you can stay right there in your seat, and receive Christ right where your at. I’m going to lead you all in a prayer and If you haven’t received Christ yet and you don’t know Him, I’m going to give you an opportunity to receive Him, just recite these words after me…"Heavenly Father, I know that I have sinned against you and that my sins separate me from you. I am truly sorry…etc etc etc

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Rizal’s a Freemason, he’s anti-Catholic.

You are aware that’s a hotly debated issue that has direct ties with the retraction controversy?

You should also know that him being a Mason or not doesn’t lift the burden of guilt that the Spaniards of old bear (and should bear) for their mismanagement of this country during its rule here.

I’m not even going to start how much of what’s wrong in Filipino society was brought about by Spain’s introduction of class warfare.

 

[Filii_Dei]

For those who are criticising the Tebows for not trying to evangelize in Muslim countries, his sister is doing just that:
christianindex.org/3831.article

His sister is not him, not even if they were joined in hypostatic union. Bob Tebow is still working in the Philippines, converting Catholics to his “true gospel”.

Furthermore, you should read the article. His sister began by converting Catholics in the Philippines with her brother, so she’s not immune from criticism either.

 

[ConstantineTG]

You are aware that’s a hotly debated issue that has direct ties with the retraction controversy?

You should also know that him being a Mason or not doesn’t lift the burden of guilt that the Spaniards of old bear (and should bear) for their mismanagement of this country during its rule here.

I’m not even going to start how much of what’s wrong in Filipino society was brought about by Spain’s introduction of class warfare.

We think so negatively of Spain’s colonization of our land. We always think the British would have done better but we don’t realize not every British colony turned out to become the US, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong or Singapore. There are a lot of British colonies today that are third world nations, many poorer than the Philippines. As a nation, let us stop blaming Spain. We’ve rid of them for over 100 years, and we’ve been educated by the Americans. Its obvious we haven’t learned anything. Its not Spain’s fault we are the way we are today.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

We think so negatively of Spain’s colonization of our land. We always think the British would have done better but we don’t realize not every British colony turned out to become the US, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong or Singapore. There are a lot of British colonies today that are third world nations, many poorer than the Philippines. As a nation, let us stop blaming Spain. We’ve rid of them for over 100 years, and we’ve been educated by the Americans. Its obvious we haven’t learned anything. Its not Spain’s fault we are the way we are today.

Oh uh yes it is. It’s basic Filipino history.

Pre-colonial heritage? Ravaged by Spain.
Hacienda system? Introduced by Spain.
Who handed us over to America? Spain.

You’re making the assumption that I (or any other Filipino) would’ve liked the idea of being colonized at all. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. I thank Spain for giving us the Faith, I spite it for everything else.

Spain =/= Catholic Church

 

[ConstantineTG]

Oh uh yes it is. It’s basic Filipino history.

Pre-colonial heritage? Ravaged by Spain.
Haciendera system? Introduced by Spain.
Who handed us over to America? Spain.

You’re making the assumption that I (or any other Filipino) would’ve liked the idea of being colonized at all. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. I thank Spain for giving us the Faith, I spite it for everything else.

Spain =/= Catholic Church

Why, isn’t that the popular opinion not so long ago? That we would have been better off if the British took over because of what we see in the prominent British Commonwealth nations? I’ve even read someone write about the mostly forgotten British takeover of Manila for about 4 years before a settlement between Britain and France after their war (Spain took France’s side in the war) resulted in exchange of territories. The Philippines was overlooked and thus defaulted back to Spain. The writer ranted about the “missed opportunity” as if we could have been the next Singapore because of it. Nevermind that Singapore actually worked on becoming a First World nation after British rule has ended. Oh, and tell that to Sri Lanka that former British colonies do well economically in the world today.

Again, its folly to blame Spain. Most of the world today is 3rd world, and Spain certainly didn’t colonize them at all.

Oh, and don’t forget, if not for the Spanish Inquisition, you and I will be Muslims today. Guaranteed.

 

[onemangang]

We think so negatively of Spain’s colonization of our land. We always think the British would have done better but we don’t realize not every British colony turned out to become the US, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong or Singapore. There are a lot of British colonies today that are third world nations, many poorer than the Philippines. As a nation, let us stop blaming Spain. We’ve rid of them for over 100 years, and we’ve been educated by the Americans. Its obvious we haven’t learned anything. Its not Spain’s fault we are the way we are today.

Ahhhhh! Personal responsibility is always is nice to hear.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Why, isn’t that the popular opinion not so long ago?

Please, my brother bought into the fad you’re referring to. On the other hand, I studied under two prominent scholars on Philippine culture who would be both more than happy to criticize ALL forms of colonization. From Spain, America, and Japanese. (Fun Pinoy trivia though: Guess who ruled us the longest?)

Again, its folly to blame Spain. Most of the world today is 3rd world, and Spain certainly didn’t colonize them at all.

Does it matter? The fact remains: What was wrong in colonial Spain still prevails today. The infection continues. Political dynasties still exist. Rich and poor are still pitted against each other like they’re mortal enemies. The best that’s happened is that corrupt clergy are no longer adding to that poison.

Oh, and don’t forget, if not for the Spanish Inquisition, you and I will be Muslims today. Guaranteed.

What do I care about the Spanish Inquisition? I’m talking about Spain’s involvement in this country.

 

[stewstew03]

Unfortunately one of the reasons many evangelicals consider Catholics to be uninformed about the Gospel is that many people publicly identify themselves as Catholics who do not practice or have good understanding of their faith. My husband’s family is Italian Anerican and all are quick to identify themselves as Catholic, have their kids baptized, etc. but almost none of them have any understanding of their Faith and most of them only go to Church for baptisms, weddings, etc. I doubt any of them could name the apostles, tell you what John 3:16 says, tell you what books are in the old vs. New Testament, etc. Many of them are pro-choice. Let’s face it, the kind of knowledgeable, committed Catholics you find on CAF arent always the kind of Catholics you encounter in real life. So if you’ve mostly met Nancy Pelosi type Catholics or just the run of the mill poorly catechized type like many of my relatives, who couldn’t defend their beliefs if their life depended on it, is it hard to think you would believe that Catholics aren’t “saved” and haven’t really been exposed to the Gospel?

This is indeed a problem, though it is certainly not unique to the Catholic Church. I doubt the vast majority of Protestants could explain baptism theology, or name the apostles, etc.
And in addition to being ignorant about their own theology, I would venture that most of them have absolutely no clue what the Catholic Church teaches (hence the many myths and misconceptions that float around in Protestant circles).

 

[mini_me640]

This is indeed a problem, though it is certainly not unique to the Catholic Church. I doubt the vast majority of Protestants could explain baptism theology, or name the apostles, etc.
And in addition to being ignorant about their own theology, I would venture that most of them have absolutely no clue what the Catholic Church teaches (hence the many myths and misconceptions that float around in Protestant circles).

I agree but I think that many lapsed and uneducated in their faith Protestants do not strongly identify themselves as Baptist, etc, they just say they believe in God. Many nonpracticing Catholics still proudly identify themselves as Catholic because of strong cultural ties. So they proudly announce themselves as Catholic but then can’t give any explanation or defense of their beliefs. They get their kids baptized because that’s part of their culture but they don’t even know why they do it. This makes Catholicism look (to an outsider) like a system of meaningless, manmade, rituals that get in the way of knowing Jesus. We know differently of course but if your main contact as a Protestant is with “cultural Catholics” you are likely to have the wrong impression . Catholics need to evangelize our own or someone else will.

 

[SamTheNewfie]

His sister is not him, not even if they were joined in hypostatic union. Bob Tebow is still working in the Philippines, converting Catholics to his “true gospel”.

Furthermore, you should read the article. His sister began by converting Catholics in the Philippines with her brother, so she’s not immune from criticism either.

You don’t know that. They were probably fallen away if they chose to be born again. Also, the family run an orphanage there.

 

[stewstew03]

Catholics need to evangelize our own or someone else will.

Agreed.

 

[trdchubi]

I can’t say Rizal was a critic of the Church as much as he was a critic of Spain’s corrupted monopoly of it. Do take note, he dedicated El Filibusterismo to the famous Gomburza (three Filipino Catholic priests executed on shoddy grounds that had nothing to do with the Church but everything to do with the tyranny of Spanish rule).

The el filibusterismo never appealed to me at all, can’t even recall what the story was about. One thing is sure, no one is blaming Spain, not this poster as I can recall. I didn’t buy the idea during history class. For all I know, I am the Capitan of my galleon. I only heard that “blame everything on Spain” once. This came from an angry old guy and the irony of it is, he is rich.

The noli me tangere (touch me not) is more famous to most Filipinos because it has one important character, identified as a prominent figure in Philippine society today. This social figure, is being blamed as the primary reason why the Philippines is still a third world country today.

The writer of the novel blatantly attacks the Catholic church then, thru the character of “Padre Damaso” (Fat Catholic friars) which represents ruling Catholic Spain a century ago. Whenever the Catholic Bishops delve into social issue concerning morality today those activists call them as the modern day representation of Padre damaso - oppressive and backward.

The sad thing is most Filipino grassroots identify themselves with these activists. These Filipinos start to rationalize and thought that ”the catholic church want them poor”, “the catholic church want them backward” “the catholic church is oppressing them”. They sympathize for calls on more flexibility and freedom on moral teachings of the church. So they start looking for a more responsive church that cater to their needs.

Well of course these activist will not preach about spiritual stuff all of a sudden, for what I observe they are not fond of anyone. They just hate everyone plain and simple, church or state.

Now who will come to the aid of Filipinos when this “patriots” played their game, especially when the Catholic church is not part of the equation?

One brief info for everyone, Protestant missionaries came into the Philippines after the American-Spanish war on the year 1898. The Americans brought with them protestant missionaries and their teachings, which includes animosity towards Spain and enmity on anything that is Roman Catholic.

History just keeps on repeating itself.