Tim Tebow's dad wants to convert Catholics in the Philippines?

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JustaServant said:
I’m sure it was AWM, no one is doubting you and I am glad you have that attitude toward the Catholic Church. 👍
But Baptist denominations (Southern, American) are not like other Protestant denominations. Land, Lewis and Colson might feel they represent the SBC, but that doesn’t mean they do. But even if they did, Tebow obviously doesn’t agree.
Let’s see if Tebow answers the email and chimes in to explain himself.
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Do you really think Tebow will respond?
 
CopticChristian said:
I have read this. Tell me what this means to you and why you find it pertinent to this thread.
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CopticChristian—

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

When I fixed the link, I forgot to to say again that I think “We Witness Together” is the most relevant part. That section is pretty far into the article, so it takes a bit of scrolling down to come to it, but it’s well marked in bold letters.

I have to leave for the day, but briefly----

—The document acknowledges the problems, and says we have to try to act more justly on both sides.

----It was written and signed by Evangelicals and Catholics who are more knowledgeable than we are. Read the list of signers.

—The Baptist signers are agreeing that Catholics are Christians, though they disagree with some aspects of Catholicism.

JustaServant—I have to run, but nice post. I hope to have time tonight to say more.
 
ltwin said:
How do you know he isn’t building a hospital because there is actually a need for it?

Protestants have sent missionaries all over the world, not just Catholic countries. Obviously, in a Muslim country its difficult for missionaries to set up shop, that is why indigenous churches are planted and supported the best they can be.

Granted, there is a lot of growth of evangelical Protestantism in traditionally Catholic countries recently. However, that is not a problem that Protestants have to deal with and resolve. In places like the Phillipines and Latin America, Catholicism has had more than enough opportunities to meet the spiritual needs of the inhabitants. If the Catholic Church is having a problem retaining the baptized, then maybe they should look within themselves as to what they could be doing better instead of blaming others for their own problems.
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Agree, and I’m Catholic. The Philippines has many people who are nominally or culturally Catholic just like all the other countries in the world. The Catholic church needs to do a far better job of catechesis everywhere. Where people aren’t fed with clear teaching, pastoral availability and brotherhood in parishes and communities, they will wander off. It happens here; it happens in Latin America; it happens in the Philippines: it happens even in Italy!

Just to make a point about the fact that ignorance and irreligion are present in every country, even though about 90% of Italians are Catholic, only about a third of them practice their faith in any way. According to the Catholic News Service (CNS), Rome has the highest abortion rate of any city in Italy. Both abortion and the abortion pill are legal in Italy.

Pretty much everywhere a high percentage of the population is shockingly ignorant about religion. We Catholics need to get with it and do our job better.
 
Tom Tebow’s ministry ever respond?
On a sidenote I read Tim Tebow is considering politics at some point. Will his dad’s ‘mission work’ be an embarrasment for him?
 
JustaServant said:
Tom Tebow’s ministry ever respond?
On a sidenote I read Tim Tebow is considering politics at some point. Will his dad’s ‘mission work’ be an embarrasment for him?
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Probably less the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and President Obama. Mitt Romney’s missionary work in France and all the details which will come out about Mormonism as we get close to November. The Pope and JFK in 1960…and so on.

Or for father’s President’s Clinton and Obama papas were rolling stones to steal a line from a song
 
Being Catholic and having friends who are Protestant missionaries, I’ve really always wished we could work together. We’re supposed to be converting the non-believer, not chasing the members of the “other side”. I’ve asked my protestant friends, “so, when you count how many Christians are in a country, you’re counting ALL or just your denomination?” I get mutters and no answer. I know a friend’s friend went to save the people in Poland…um…I was rather insulted. It’s a Catholic Country. Try saving the people in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

I really do wish we’d just work together as missionaries. We’d get a lot farther probably.
 
Elisabeth51 said:
Being Catholic and having friends who are Protestant missionaries, I’ve really always wished we could work together. We’re supposed to be converting the non-believer, not chasing the members of the “other side”. I’ve asked my protestant friends, “so, when you count how many Christians are in a country, you’re counting ALL or just your denomination?” I get mutters and no answer. I know a friend’s friend went to save the people in Poland…um…I was rather insulted. It’s a Catholic Country. Try saving the people in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

I really do wish we’d just work together as missionaries. We’d get a lot farther probably.
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As I noted earlier, its easier to proselytize believers in Jesus Christ that non-believers. And besides, from their standpoint, we’re heretics who mix Christianity with pagan-inspired ways of worship. To them we’re about as Christian as Buddhists and Muslims.
 
ConstantineTG said:
As I noted earlier, its easier to proselytize believers in Jesus Christ that non-believers. And besides, from their standpoint, we’re heretics who mix Christianity with pagan-inspired ways of worship. To them we’re about as Christian as Buddhists and Muslims.
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🙂 I know, I was just giving my feeling on it.
 
AbideWithMe said:
How would the interpretation of a such a well-known Catholic writer, Peter Kreeft, differ from the Catholic interpretation of the gospel?
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If I may, do we all not have the right to our own opinion. Is that not what a personal interpreatation is?

But where does ones personal interpreation rather they are Catholic, Protestant, or Jew for that matter trump the Truth that is taught by the CC?:confused:

Ton of Catholics can give their opinion and not be in with the teaching of the CC.

Many Catholics don’t believe the Church is correct about Birth Control. Don’t make them right, just makes them in direct conflict with the Teachings of the CC.:confused:🤷
 
I’ve skimmed it right now out of curiosity and I think I may know what you mean. Could you list exactly what you find problematic though? Just to be sure. 🙂
 
I kind of knew you would, but I wanted to put the official document out there.
 
So… a Catholic country has never heard of JESUS CHRIST… that could only means…

WE’VE BEEN WORSHIPING JAMES CAVIEZEL!!!
 
I see so our thoughts were more less the same. Given the way I’ve had self-proclaimed Baptists describe “genuine faith”, “Christ alone” and Sola Scriptura, there is indeed good reason for them to always remain suspect.

And not accuse them of ‘sheep stealing’? Really? Well if they want to prove they’re not out to steal sheep, why not start evangelizing the foxes and the camels of the world instead? (Yes, I’ve inserted my own symbolism here for fun. :p)
 
Good find Jharek.
The deceptive practices of many of these evangelicals is extremely distasteful. They come in stealth, pretending to be friends when they, in fact, have alterior motives.
I know, I used to be evangelical myself.
I have more respect for the wide-eyed fundamenalist who screams ‘whore of Babylon’ than I do for these people. He might be wrong, but at least he’s honest.
 
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It’s certainly possible that the “not characterized by genuine faith in Christ alone” is a reference to some Protestants’ difficulties with the degree of devotion given to Mary, or things such as the burying of statues of St. Jude to help sell a house. (Speaking for myself, the latter puzzles me.)

However, that part of the SBC resolution could also be referring to places where a syncretistic form of Christianity+imported or native folk religion is practiced by some Christians. Santeria comes to mind. Then again, some of the Pennsylvania Germans in my area believe in “hexing” which mixes Christianity with folk religion brought over by German immigrants.
 
JustaServant said:
Good find Jharek.
The deceptive practices of many of these evangelicals is extremely distasteful. They come in stealth, pretending to be friends when they, in fact, have alterior motives.
I know, I used to be evangelical myself.
I have more respect for the wide-eyed fundamenalist who screams ‘whore of Babylon’ than I do for these people. He might be wrong, but at least he’s honest.
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JustaServant—

What particularly do you see as deceptive?
 
JustaServant—

Did you read “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” which the SBC resolution is in response to? If you did, what are your thoughts on it?
 
AbideWithMe said:
things such as the burying of statues of St. Jude to help sell a house. (Speaking for myself, the latter puzzles me.)
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I know this is off topic, but I wanted to interject something about the above practice. The Catholic Church does condemn superstition, which the above practice is. See the CCC here:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2111.htm

If anyone (Catholic or otherwise) believes that the burying of a statue will help sell a house, that person is very misguided. I have heard of the practice (although not first hand). I just wanted to clarify the fact that burying a statue is not something the Catholic Church teaches.
 
JustaServant said:
Good find Jharek.
The deceptive practices of many of these evangelicals is extremely distasteful. They come in stealth, pretending to be friends when they, in fact, have alterior motives.
I know, I used to be evangelical myself.
I have more respect for the wide-eyed fundamenalist who screams ‘whore of Babylon’ than I do for these people. He might be wrong, but at least he’s honest.
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Are you just trying to be insulting or can you explain what you mean by “deceptive practices”?

You used to be a southern baptist?
 
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