Time For Vatican To Purge Erring Bishops And Do So With 'speed Of An Ambulance'

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One of the most defining moments of John Paul II’s Papacy was back in March of 1983 during his Central American Pilgramage. After he rose from kissing Nicaraguan soil he then proceeded to chastise the priests who were at the airport to greet him. In particular he pointed a chastising finger at Jesuit priest Ernesto Cardinal who knelt to kiss the Pope’s ring. Cardinal, was chastised for espousing liberation theology—a message proclaiming that Jesus had come to save the poor in their battle against the rich.

Sad to say we need someone like him at this time.

Please read the reports of recent events to see how bad things have gotten. Read this and weep:

spiritdaily.com/purgebishops.htm

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It seems implicit in the original post that BXVI is not doing his job and that JPII would do it better. Not to knock either of these great popes, I would remind you that most of the stuff currently making the headlines was around long before JPII’s death and he did little to keep it in check or to eliminate it. He was a holy man to be sure, but his demonstrated administrative abilities seemed to be a bit lacking.
 
Its important to know what is going on in the church but we should pray for the pope and bishops rather than just talking about the things going wrong. Complaining won’t change anything, we should pray and support the pope so that he can have the strength to do God’s will.
 
The Pope is not running a large club or business organization. Speed is not the issue, but a careful, prayerful, review of all of the information and from there, a sound judgement. The Church is not run by men in the sense that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God guide Church leaders and the faults of bishops need to be considered on a physical and spiritual level. And, it’s not just an opportunity for dismissal but for counseling and healing.

God bless.
Ed
 
This is why we need another Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, or Pius X. I believe they have taken the hardest line when it comes to combatting modernism, especially Pius X.
 
Sarah245 said:
Its important to know what is going on in the church but we should pray for the pope and bishops rather than just talking about the things going wrong. Complaining won’t change anything, we should pray and support the pope so that he can have the strength to do God’s will.
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How about all three things happen?
  1. When our Church leaders act improperly or with incompetance, we kindly point it out, for correction, or dismissal if repetitive or serious enough.
  2. Our other Church leaders hopefully are competant enough and have Christian faith enough to act decisively with moral competance. Regardless of whether someone else is praying for them. Do they not trust God to give them strenth and guidance?
  3. Yes, we should pray for our Church leaders to behave and act with competance in their positions of authority. We expect a level of competance from our secular leaders, should we not expect just as much, if not more, from these “holy” “spiritual” men who have sacrificied so much for the kingdom of heaven, even their integrity 🙂 ?
    Reading the stories about the vatican monsignor (what should the title monsignor indicate?), his excuses are laughable and insulting. If he can’t fathom a decent repentance and apology, he and his “superiors” perhaps should question whether he really is even Christian. The more proper question would be whether he should be excommunicated unless he properly confesses and repents. And he is suspended? What are they waiting for, for the attention to fade away? Are we to believe no one else he worked with knew of his behavior? Layicize him at the least, and excommunicate him if he is unwilling to confess and repent. End of story.
    edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/13/gay.monsignor.ap/index.html
God bless,

Michael
 
edwest2 said:
The Pope is not running a large club or business organization. Speed is not the issue, but a careful, prayerful, review of all of the information and from there, a sound judgement. The Church is not run by men in the sense that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God guide Church leaders and the faults of bishops need to be considered on a physical and spiritual level. And, it’s not just an opportunity for dismissal but for counseling and healing.

God bless.
Ed
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With all do respect, what would Jesus do? Would He not say “get behind me satan”? or something similar. 1 Tim 3:2 " An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, "

God bless,

Michael
 
geezerbob said:
It seems implicit in the original post that BXVI is not doing his job and that JPII would do it better. Not to knock either of these great popes, I would remind you that most of the stuff currently making the headlines was around long before JPII’s death and he did little to keep it in check or to eliminate it. He was a holy man to be sure, but his demonstrated administrative abilities seemed to be a bit lacking.
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I never heard of JPII being praised as a good administrator. That wasn’t his charism.
 
edwest2 said:
The Pope is not running a large club or business organization. Speed is not the issue, but a careful, prayerful, review of all of the information and from there, a sound judgement. The Church is not run by men in the sense that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God guide Church leaders and the faults of bishops need to be considered on a physical and spiritual level. And, it’s not just an opportunity for dismissal but for counseling and healing.
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As has been said, “the Church is a hospital for sinners, not a country club for the saved.” Those who want to rush to judgment and excommunicate people left and right just don’t know how the Church operates. Remember how some thought that Ratzinger was going to be The Scourge once he was in office? He’s learned some since taking on the burdens of the Papacy.
 
Mt_28_19_20 said:
With all do respect, what would Jesus do? Would He not say “get behind me satan”? or something similar. 1 Tim 3:2 " An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, "

God bless,

Michael
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I understand how you feel. I would like to see those overseers in the Church who no longer follow its teachings being shown the door. They physically and spiritually do harm. But I’m also reminded about the story of the adultress who was about to be stoned, and those who were anxious and ready to stone her to death. It’s difficult to see but even as they are told to leave after clearly doing wrong, they are still allowed to repent of their mistakes and do spiritual penance. To quote Anglican Archbiship Desmond Tutu, There is no future without forgiveness.

God bless,
Ed
 
I have watched serious abuses since the 1960s that have devastated the Church. Since 1960 half of the Catholics who went to mass then no longer go now and too for example abortion and contraceptive rates match that of non-Catholics. Bishops and priests have a great deal to do with the meltdown of Catholic life in the West. While some of the worst bishops have been dealt with publically or privately, such as the three or four homosexual bishops who were removed from their position in the U.S. four or five years ago, the Popes since Pope Paul VI have not cracked down on others. I have wondered for years why the Popes have not discipined some bishops, but finally, I came to believe that they had good reason for this, though others may rightly question why they have not done more. Are they concerned about possible schisms from the Church, for example? Do they think that such large-scale problems can best be dealt with through evangelization? I believe that they have good reason for their course, whatever it may be.
 
Without differences of opinion in the Church, it will wither on the vine and die. Uniformity across the board is not good for any organization. What will get accomplished if nobody wants to think outside the official box? Not much.
 
Of course, to have differences of opinion in the Church is perfectly satisfactory. However, I recall the old saying, in essentials, unity, in other things diversity.
I believe that the issue addressed here does not involve such issues as differences between Catholic rites, spiritualities or even legitimate theologies as Thomism and Franciscanism, but rather dissent from core Catholic beliefs and in the authority of the Church. I would think that an organization where everyone is his own boss will disintigrate. What if everyone was free to break the civil law if he thought it proper in his case? How could you even go out to drive your car safely if everyone felt free to break the traffic laws? The same situation exists in the Church. If there is no law or authority when it comes to belief, the liturgy, law, or practices such as celibacy, but the only law is what the person wishes to do, the Church would fall apart.
 
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