Time Magazine Mother's Day is Sexist

[silentfactor80]

Please stop blaming the entire female gender for the poor behavior of some females. SilentFactor, whatever good points you make in your posts get drowned out by the sucker punches you aim at women. Your frequent use of hyperbole and your way of saying “women do this” or “women are that” is insulting and untrue of of womankind. It completely discounts the virtues of innumerable good and holy women who are vocally opposed to male-bashing and other forms of sexism.

That is what it is like to be a guy everyday. The media sucker punches you, the legal system sucker punches you, and quite often even the women in your life that are supposed to love you do the same. Men can’t sit next to unaccompanied minors on a Virgin Australia flight without being humiliatingly asked to move because according to them we are all pedophiles. If you are an old guy looking for book for your grandkids you can get thrown out of a book store. Why do you think card stores sell cards that belittle men? Because women buy them! Companies don’t keep making products that don’t sell and I doubt men are buying cards that humiliate themselves.

Good holy women opposed to male bashing? Where??? I don’t see them on TV. I don’t read of them in the newspaper or internet news websites. I don’t see them organizing campaigns or getting behind the ones that do exist. Blogs don’t count for much. Formation of a White House Council for Boys and Men failed creation even though it is desperately needed. Why did it fail? Because the feminist lobby thought it was going to take away from women’s issues. Supposedly only 30% of the female population calls themselves feminists. What on God’s earth are the other 70% doing? Do they not care about the damage they are letting 30% do to this country’s male population? (i.e. their sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc) How about a women’s movement (or gender neutral one) by that 70% to neutralize the poison spread by the 30%? It seems like some women think the answer is call themselves a feminist but pay the lip service to caring about men. Actions speak louder than words.

Little of what I said is hyperbole. It’s called cultural behavior. Go to a card store and see how many sexist cards against men exist. When I was in the cards store a few weeks ago I wanted to vomit on the selection. I refuse to ever buy a card for anyone. Either I’ll make my own or just not give one. Ever hear of husband bashing (marriagemissions.com/husband-bashing/#comments)??) Much bigger problem than “wife bashing.” Husband bashing is relational aggression too except women are doing it to men. We have lots of legislation, support groups, etc for women who are abused by men but what advocacy do we have for men abused by women? Virtually none. If a guy divorces his emotionally abusive wife he is shooting himself in the foot with alimony / child support.

 

[mommamaree]

That is what it is like to be a guy everyday. The media sucker punches you, the legal system sucker punches you, and quite often even the women in your life that are supposed to love you do the same. Why do you think card stores sell cards that belittle men? Because women buy them! Companies don’t keep making products that don’t sell and I doubt men are buying cards that humiliate themselves.

Good holy women opposed to male bashing? Where??? I don’t see them on TV. I don’t read of them in the newspaper or internet news websites. I don’t see them organizing campaigns or getting behind the ones that do exist. Blogs don’t count for much. Formation of a White House Council for Boys and Men failed creation even though it is desperately needed. Why did it fail? Because the feminist lobby thought it was going to take away from women’s issues. Supposedly only 30% of the female population calls themselves feminists. What on God’s earth are the other 70% doing? Do they not care about the damage they are letting 30% do to this country’s male population? (i.e. their sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc) How about a women’s movement (or gender neutral one) by that 70% to neutralize the poison spread by the 30%? It seems like some women think the answer is call themselves a feminist but pay the lip service to caring about men. Actions speak louder than words.

Little of what I said is hyperbole. It’s called cultural behavior. Go to a card store and see how many sexist cards against men exist. When I was in the cards store a few weeks ago I wanted to vomit on the selection. I refuse to ever buy a card for anyone. Either I’ll make my own or just not give one. Ever hear of husband bashing (marriagemissions.com/husband-bashing/#comments)??) Much bigger problem than “wife bashing.” Husband bashing is relational aggression too except women are doing it to men. We have lots of legislation, support groups, etc for women who are abused by men but what advocacy do we have for men abused by women? Virtually none. If a guy divorces his emotionally abusive wife he is shooting himself in the foot with alimony / child support.

Why in the world are you looking for good, holy Catholic women on TV or in the media?!
Those women will be found in the home, quietly serving their husbands, whom they treat with respect, and raising up Godly sons and daughters. You will not see them via any screen. The work they do to combat sexist behavior starts there, in the home, and spills over into their interactions with others in their community.
Don’t go looking to Hallmark, or any other advertising company, to tell you about real life or what real people really think. Even and especially the way women think. Advertisers have been getting it wrong for 70 years.
Besides, whenever I personally go to select a card for my husband or dad for a special occasion, I head straight to the “religious” section. I don’t waste my time perusing the filth popularly known as greeting cards. Oftentimes, my cards are blank cards, or ones ordered from Leaflet Missal company, so I can share what I actually think about the special people in my life, instead of some lamely worded trite excuse for a greeting.
There are so many women who refuse to behave as you describe, who refuse to tear down their husband with words or passive aggression. It IS hyperbole you use when you imply that this behavior is culture-wide. Get your head out of the media and make friends with some real flesh-and-blood decent women.
And please, stop shooting YOURSELF in the foot by making your posts insulting to women. I just desperately want to believe that you are better than that. You are, aren’t you? You are not so despising of the female gender that you really believe all the things you accuse us of, are you?

 

[MarcoPolo]

Good holy women opposed to male bashing? Where??? I don’t see them on TV. I don’t read of them in the newspaper or internet news websites. I don’t see them organizing campaigns or getting behind the ones that do exist. Blogs don’t count for much.

While you are right––such women are generally absent from big commercial media––I would encourage you to help promote the many excellent women in media as hosts, writers, or guests, such as Teresa Tomeo, Sheila Liaugminas, Jill Stanek, Jennifer Fulwiler, Kathryn Jean Lopez, Melinda Selmyz, Dr. Jennifer Robak Morse, Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, and there are so many others. These are all women willing to defend authentic masculinity, and distance themselves from modern, commercial feminism. I recommend promoting these resources and sharing their work.

 

[Aviatrix]

That is what it is like to be a guy everyday. The media sucker punches you, the legal system sucker punches you, and quite often even the women in your life that are supposed to love you do the same. Men can’t sit next to unaccompanied minors on a Virgin Australia flight without being humiliatingly asked to move because according to them we are all pedophiles. If you are an old guy looking for book for your grandkids you can get thrown out of a book store. Why do you think card stores sell cards that belittle men? Because women buy them! Companies don’t keep making products that don’t sell and I doubt men are buying cards that humiliate themselves.

Good holy women opposed to male bashing? Where??? I don’t see them on TV. I don’t read of them in the newspaper or internet news websites. I don’t see them organizing campaigns or getting behind the ones that do exist. Blogs don’t count for much. Formation of a White House Council for Boys and Men failed creation even though it is desperately needed. Why did it fail? Because the feminist lobby thought it was going to take away from women’s issues. Supposedly only 30% of the female population calls themselves feminists. What on God’s earth are the other 70% doing? Do they not care about the damage they are letting 30% do to this country’s male population? (i.e. their sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc) How about a women’s movement (or gender neutral one) by that 70% to neutralize the poison spread by the 30%? It seems like some women think the answer is call themselves a feminist but pay the lip service to caring about men. Actions speak louder than words.

Little of what I said is hyperbole. It’s called cultural behavior. Go to a card store and see how many sexist cards against men exist. When I was in the cards store a few weeks ago I wanted to vomit on the selection. I refuse to ever buy a card for anyone. Either I’ll make my own or just not give one. Ever hear of husband bashing (marriagemissions.com/husband-bashing/#comments)??) Much bigger problem than “wife bashing.” Husband bashing is relational aggression too except women are doing it to men. We have lots of legislation, support groups, etc for women who are abused by men but what advocacy do we have for men abused by women? Virtually none. If a guy divorces his emotionally abusive wife he is shooting himself in the foot with alimony / child support.

They probably don’t fit your definition of “good” or “holy”, but there is an entire article on the Jezebel website about how the attitude that all men are pedophiles or incapable of child care sucks. Just one example for you, SilentFactor, of feminists decrying this ridiculousness as it is harmful to everyone. Articles of this nature abound.

 

[silentfactor80]

Why in the world are you looking for good, holy Catholic women on TV or in the media?!
Those women will be found in the home, quietly serving their husbands, whom they treat with respect, and raising up Godly sons and daughters. You will not see them via any screen. The work they do to combat sexist behavior starts there, in the home, and spills over into their interactions with others in their community.
**Don’t go looking to Hallmark, or any other advertising company, to tell you about real life or what real people really think. Even and especially the way women think. Advertisers have been getting it wrong for 70 years. **
Besides, whenever I personally go to select a card for my husband or dad for a special occasion, I head straight to the “religious” section. I don’t waste my time perusing the filth popularly known as greeting cards. Oftentimes, my cards are blank cards, or ones ordered from Leaflet Missal company, so I can share what I actually think about the special people in my life, instead of some lamely worded trite excuse for a greeting.
There are so many women who refuse to behave as you describe, who refuse to tear down their husband with words or passive aggression. It IS hyperbole you use when you imply that this behavior is culture-wide. Get your head out of the media and make friends with some real flesh-and-blood decent women.
And please, stop shooting YOURSELF in the foot by making your posts insulting to women. I just desperately want to believe that you are better than that. You are, aren’t you? You are not so despising of the female gender that you really believe all the things you accuse us of, are you?

Bold 1: The look on the face of the woman I saw buy one of those cards while snickering is all I needed to see to know why those cards exist.

Bold 2: I have real flesh-and-blood female friends and I’m glad they’re just friends. One of them always has a need to say some gender flavored remark. A few weeks ago she tried the “women are the stronger of the species because we have kids.” When I gave her a Biology 101 lesson that a woman’s body chemistry is very different during pregnancy so to make such a blanket claim is absurd she got quite defensive about it. Never mind the studies I showed how women take more days off from work for sickness. Yeah she didn’t like that. She can dish it but can’t take it. Don’t really feel like talking about the rest but they are varying degrees of “men are the problem” types. Oh and they are ALL “Catholic” too.

Honestly I don’t know what to believe anymore. I never met women in bars. Most of my friends are “college educated.” I know a few girls from a ministry group I was involved in. They weren’t as vocal as their secular counterparts but never missed an opportunity to sneak a man joke in there. So yeah I enjoy my solitude. Not interested in taking the risk I might hear that garbage in my own home. St. Paul was quite wise when he said “Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.” 1 Corinthians 7:8

While you are right––such women are generally absent from big commercial media––I would encourage you to help promote the many excellent women in media as hosts, writers, or guests, such as Teresa Tomeo, Sheila Liaugminas, Jill Stanek, Jennifer Fulwiler, Kathryn Jean Lopez, Melinda Selmyz, Dr. Jennifer Robak Morse, Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, and there are so many others. These are all women willing to defend authentic masculinity, and distance themselves from modern, commercial feminism. I recommend promoting these resources and sharing their work.

Thanks for the links! I don’t see many specifically interested in defending authentic masculinity though. It sounds like most are just a “we don’t want the same thing most feminists want.” They seemed focused on the abortion / contraception thing.

 

[silentfactor80]

They probably don’t fit your definition of “good” or “holy”, but there is an entire article on the Jezebel website about how the attitude that all men are pedophiles or incapable of child care sucks. Just one example for you, SilentFactor, of feminists decrying this ridiculousness as it is harmful to everyone. Articles of this nature abound.

Yeah, they TALK about. That is it. They never do anything substantial about it. Any person with a brain can post an article on a website. A person that is sincere and passionate about justice actually DOES something to counter injustice. People love quoting that 90% of pedophiles are men for instance. How about we educate people about the shortcomings of that number. For starters, most female pedophilia is never reported because 1) it would never be believed or 2) the attitude is that if a woman comes on to young boy he is lucky. Also, significantly less than 1% of all men are pedophiles. Since feminist hold the media in their influence they could very easily start an aggressive campaign to flush out this kind of information. Do they? NO!

Same goes with child care. Feminists in the spirit of equality could advocate for scholarships for male elementary ed teachers. If feminists really care about kids they should want the kids to have a strong male role model at an early age. They could also do more to celebrate the achievements of men that do take up such roles. We do it all the time for women in the sciences. Plenty of praise and scholarships for STEM women but what do men get in female dominated professions? Nothing!

So yeah when a feminist actually wants to do something to help men directly and specifically you give her my email. Never going to happen.

 

[Aviatrix]

I’m not sure why you think bashing women helps men. It doesn’t. Helping women also doesn’t inherently diminish men.

I know men who have received extra financial support because they were elementary school teachers.

Talking about how this is unacceptable is doing something.

 

[silentfactor80]

I’m not sure why you think bashing women helps men. It doesn’t. Helping women also doesn’t inherently diminish men.

I know men who have received extra financial support because they were elementary school teachers.

Talking about how this is unacceptable is doing something.

I’m not bashing women at all. All I am saying is I think women in general could do more to help men. Consequently I think that would motivate men to do more the other way too. Men have been confronting other men to the benefit of women for decades if not centuries. When is the opposite going to happen? When are the “non-feminist” women going to tell the feminist women to stop marginalizing men’s issues and being a road block to action. When Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers stuck her neck out to raise awareness about the boy crisis in education feminists cut her out. I read her book “The War Against Boys” and the politics feminists play with our kids is sick!

Helping women while ignoring men DOES inherently diminish men. Yes, lets help women as much as we can but lets not forget men have serious challenges we need help with too! Please provide a reference for me where men can receive such extra support. I have friends in elementary ed now that are paying full tuition.

Talking alone solves nothing. If all we did was talk about women voting we’d still be talking.

 

[Aviatrix]

I’m not bashing women at all. All I am saying is I think women in general could do more to help men. Consequently I think that would motivate men to do more the other way too. Men have been confronting other men to the benefit of women for decades if not centuries. When is the opposite going to happen? When are the “non-feminist” women going to tell the feminist women to stop marginalizing men’s issues and being a road block to action. When Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers stuck her neck out to raise awareness about the boy crisis in education feminists cut her out. I read her book “The War Against Boys” and the politics feminists play with our kids is sick!

Helping women while ignoring men DOES inherently diminish men. Yes, lets help women as much as we can but lets not forget men have serious challenges we need help with too! Please provide a reference for me where men can receive such extra support. I have friends in elementary ed now that are paying full tuition.

Talking alone solves nothing. If all we did was talk about women voting we’d still be talking.

Several of your comments in the past have been derogatory towards women. Including earlier in this thread where you said women excel at relational aggression. You say that men have been helping women by confronting men, but women confronting women doesn’t seem to be sufficient for you.

The same social structures that cause things like unjust family court rulings and unfair paedophilia suspicions hurt women as well as men. Those who fight against these structures therefore are helping men and women.

The reference about men in education was a conversation with friends, including the ones who were receiving the assistance. A quick google search returns many results on organizations helping men get into the education sector, including tuition assistance.

 

[silentfactor80]

Several of your comments in the past have been derogatory towards women. Including earlier in this thread where you said women excel at relational aggression. You say that men have been helping women by confronting men, but women confronting women doesn’t seem to be sufficient for you.

The same social structures that cause things like unjust family court rulings and unfair paedophilia suspicions hurt women as well as men. Those who fight against these structures therefore are helping men and women.

The reference about men in education was a conversation with friends, including the ones who were receiving the assistance. A quick google search returns many results on organizations helping men get into the education sector, including tuition assistance.

Look up “teen shaming” and check out this article (wings.buffalo.edu/psychology/labs/SocialDevLab/Ostrov,%20Hart,%20Kamper,%20&%20Godleski%20(2011).pdf). Saying women excel at relational aggression is a behavioral science issue, not my opinion. It seems to me when science says something negative about women one gets scolded for “generalizing.” When science says one of its many bad things about men being unemotional towards sex or how men just want to spread seed that’s OK! So science can make men look like shallow animals but how dare it say anything negative about the noble creature known as woman! More misandry there!

Remind me again how a woman being awarded alimony and child support for divorcing her husband on grounds of “emotional unfulfillment” hurts her? About 60%-70% of all divorces are initiated by women. Are women choosing to hurt themselves? I don’t think so. Also, I don’t hear many feminists against divorce. I don’t hear many feminists showing support for fatherhood or keeping dad in the home. If I am wrong give me reference.

It sounds like to me your are implying that if we fight that big evil “patriarchal boogeyman” by giving women all the power and goodies they want all the other problems will magically go away. Yes, women having equal pay and “reproductive freedom” is going to help the guy wrongly accused of pedophilia. Not sure how that works but it sounds like a great story in the making!

Here is what I found for men in elementary ed teaching:
menteach.org/resources/financial_resources_for_teaching

Some of the links don’t work, one of the programs was closed, and the NEA doesn’t have much. Most links are for minorities too. LOL!

The search for “scholarships for men in elementary education” turned up about 9 million hits. For “scholarships for women in STEM” I got about 48 million hits! That included a USA Today news article and several working links for actual scholarships. Yeah, like I said, not equal.

 

[Nimzovik]

Hmmmmmmmmmm…

I just typed ‘Discrimination against Men’ in my browser. Then I typed ‘Discrimination against women.’

The data returned for discrimination against women came back in vastly superior numbers. Women get* far* more press than men do. That sums it up for* me.*

I do not buy the concept that males naturally, as a species discriminate more or less than women discriminate against the opposite gender.

Therefore I conclude, IMHO, That there is indeed a cultural bias** inculcated** in our society, that favors Male Shaming.

To what can we attribute such? Women, as a species, being inherently evil?

No.

Feminists that are propelled by the Liberal Democrats for purposes of serving as a PAC?

Yes.

Hmmmmmmmm… Let’s see now… those that rabidly advocate for abortion --who are* these* people? Are the majority women? Is it the Mothers? Is it the happily married Catholic wives club? Is it Christian women in general?

Methinks not.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm… let’s see… Just who is being funded by Planned Parenthood? Why… it’s Obama and Sbellius and the Democrats! Why yes indeeedy! Who would like to pander to the Feminists and the Democrats? Hmmmmmmmmmm… MSNBC? CNN? ABC? Why yes! Follow da Money!!

They do* indeed* propagate the Feminist manifesto of the Democratic Party.

So yes. I would indeed have to agree with SilentFactor80, in that there **is **an anti male culture of discrimination against men being perpetrated on members of Society.

One does not have to look further than abortion, to see that said culture of prejudice exists against men.

Men’s children (too!) are killed daily by Feminist women.** And** being towed away with them is the …er…‘average secular woman’ to a rather alarming degree.

Hmmmm… Men make babies too, right? Where is their choice? Ahmmmmmmmmm? Where is* their* say in saving their very own child?

Nuff said.

Feminsm is Sexism regards,
Nim.

P.S. ( I rather like Mother’s Day )

 

[MarcoPolo]

Thanks for the links! I don’t see many specifically interested in defending authentic masculinity though. It sounds like most are just a “we don’t want the same thing most feminists want.” They seemed focused on the abortion / contraception thing.

They do. Just yesterday I was listening to an archived interview with Dr. Morse. She spoke about the attack on men in society. Here is the (“http://archive.avemariaradio.net/2007/06/kpm_20070628_2.mp3”). Here is the description of her segment (which is probably the latter 1/3 of the hour):*Second Topic – The Decline of the Societal View of Manhood

Cartoonist Berkeley Breathed (BREATH-ed) recently composed a truly revolting edition of “Opus,” just one week before Fathers Day. The cartoon was appalling not only for its unadulterated, unapologetic male-bashing. It is also a sickening foretaste of what awaits us as same sex parenting becomes normalized. The cartoon in question shows three characters talking about a boy in their class who has two moms, and no dad. They speculate, “Makes you wonder how he’ll do without a male role model in the house.” The last panel supplies the visual answer. A misogynist, inebriated white male throws a TV out the window, while swearing at a baseball player. We can easily infer the answer to the kids’ speculation: Kids are better off without fathers, since fathers are drunken, violent slobs. Columnist and marriage researcher Jennifer Roback Morse is with us to analyze the cartoon and discuss the decline of the societal view of manhood.*
You might have to keyword search their blogs or show archives. But the above links are all good resources that will defend men and women.

 

[Nimzovik]

They do. Just yesterday I was listening to an archived interview with Dr. Morse. She spoke about the attack on men in society. Here is the (“http://archive.avemariaradio.net/2007/06/kpm_20070628_2.mp3”). Here is the description of her segment (which is probably the latter 1/3 of the hour):*
Second Topic – The Decline of the Societal View of Manhood
*

Cartoonist Berkeley Breathed (BREATH-ed) recently composed a truly revolting edition of “Opus,” just one week before Fathers Day. The cartoon was appalling not only for its unadulterated, unapologetic male-bashing. It is also a sickening foretaste of what awaits us as same sex parenting becomes normalized. The cartoon in question shows three characters talking about a boy in their class who has two moms, and no dad. They speculate, “Makes you wonder how he’ll do without a male role model in the house.” The last panel supplies the visual answer. A misogynist, inebriated white male throws a TV out the window, while swearing at a baseball player. We can easily infer the answer to the kids’ speculation: Kids are better off without fathers, since fathers are drunken, violent slobs. Columnist and marriage researcher Jennifer Roback Morse is with us to analyze the cartoon and discuss the decline of the societal view of manhood.
You might have to keyword search their blogs or show archives. But these are all good resources that will defend men and women.

Yes indeed. However, methinks what Silentfactor80 may be noticing is the incredible difference in the numbers. There is indisputably far more male bashing women in the Public Arena than there are good women fighting for men. Yes?

 

[MarcoPolo]

Yes indeed. However, methinks what Silentfactor80 may be noticing is the incredible difference in the numbers. There is indisputably far more male bashing women in the Public Arena than there are good women fighting for men. Yes?

We could all acknowledge the male-bashing in society. Last year I blogged about Sally Quinn’s anti-male attack on the Church. I’ve also blogged in defense of women and the push of harmful contraceptives. And I also think it useful to promote resources to the contrary, such as the fine women I referenced above, or even the good women on this forum. They exist. Let’s not let them be enveloped in the same cesspool of those who would bash males.

 

[Nimzovik]

No dispute* there*.

 

[silentfactor80]

We could all acknowledge the male-bashing in society. Last year I blogged about Sally Quinn’s anti-male attack on the Church. I’ve also blogged in defense of women and the push of harmful contraceptives. And I also think it useful to promote resources to the contrary, such as the fine women I referenced above, or even the good women on this forum. They exist. Let’s not let them be enveloped in the same cesspool of those who would bash males.

The bottom line is there is a large majority of women that are and will remain silent on the issue. I’ve even been laughed at on this forum for raising awareness of men’s rights. In fact in my very first thread I had a woman out right say its laughable.

I think anyone who is silent enables the male bashing to continue. The same is true of men who say / do nothing when it comes to women. I just think the good men out there are more inclined to help their sisters in Christ in a “white knight way” while women pretty much get a pass on helping men. Men have waxed great poetry when it comes to women but there an obvious lacking in the other direction. That is the core of what bothers me. I want to see a fiery female leader stand up for men unapologetically as lots of men have done for women. Girlwriteswhat is a good example but I doubt anyone is going to let her talk where she needs to in order to be heard.