Time to eliminate all confusion about Vatican II

[piojunbabia]

Actually I could and I have.

Of course anyone can launch a website but what’s your point? Probably a ton of people have for the sheer enjoyment. But there is so much corroboration among them, even two witnesses to the same car crash couldn’t agree more.

Ok, deny it if you want. But go ask a priest or bishop if one is still excommunicated for being a Freemason? Today there are many “Catholic” politicians who will even brag about their lodge meetings, forget their pro-abortion stand. Wouldn’t have been that way 50 years ago.

Our Law professor is a 32nd degree Freemason and he is a dvout Catholic.

Many in our place are well-respected Catholic Freemasons bacause of their charitable works in the Masonry. Plenty or Catholic here in the Philippines are Freemasons. As in numerous maybe about a thousand Freemason-Catholics Nationwide!!!

 

[jmcrae]

Our Law professor is a 32nd degree Freemason and he is a dvout Catholic.

Many in our place are well-respected Catholic Freemasons bacause of their charitable works in the Masonry. Plenty or Catholic here in the Philippines are Freemasons. As in numerous maybe about a thousand Freemason-Catholics Nationwide!!!

It is a mortal sin to join the Freemasons, because Freemasonry is a different relgion. It’s not even Christian, that I can tell. Many religions do good works - it doesn’t take away the fact that they are of a different religion.

 

[Miles_Mariae]

In this insane and wicked endeavor we may almost see the implacable hatred and spirit of revenge with which Satan himself is inflamed against Jesus Christ. - So also the studious endeavour of the Freemasons to destroy the chief foundations of justice and honesty, and to co-operate with those who would wish, as if they were mere animals, to do what they please, tends only to the ignominious and disgraceful ruin of the human race.
(Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus)

Freemasonry is unambiguously an enemy of the Church.

 

[piojunbabia]

It is a mortal sin to join the Freemasons, because Freemasonry is a different relgion. It’s not even Christian, that I can tell. Many religions do good works - it doesn’t take away the fact that they are of a different religion.

yea i agree.but it is also a fact that many masons are catholics and many catholics are masons especially here in the philippines. we infact have a saying “The pious catholics are the freemasons” or “the good catholics are the freemasons”

Even bishops and priests have direct relation to high degreed freemason in our place. [we are not shock about this because its all over the place]. Freemasons are very welcome in the church because they donate so much in the church.

Hold on to your seats:

Our ex bishop who ended his term [resigned due to old age] last year was/is a freemason!

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Is this the same Pope who wrote Populorum Progressio before he wrote Humanae Vitae, said something about the “smoke of Satan” permeating the air after the council, and exiled Bugnini, the inventor of the Novus Ordo, to Iran for supposedly being a Freemason? Yet he allowed other Freemasons to hijack the council. Whose side was he on anyway?

I now see why you were banned
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Why did Pope Paul VI say that the Christian Religion is the one and only true religion and not the “Catholic Religion”?
Isn’t this saying that all christian religions are equal. all are the one and only true religion?

Per Pope Benedict,** “Christian is our name, Catholic is our sir-name”.**
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[mangy_dog]

Our Law professor is a 32nd degree Freemason and he is a dvout Catholic.

Many in our place are well-respected Catholic Freemasons bacause of their charitable works in the Masonry. Plenty or Catholic here in the Philippines are Freemasons. As in numerous maybe about a thousand Freemason-Catholics Nationwide!!!

Freemasonry is of Luciferic essence. It is the “black beast” of the Apocalypse. Which represents the hidden, secret sects and societies.

Your professor is serving (or attempting to serve) two masters. Your professor may have more degrees than a thermometer but is in an intellectual stupor if he or you or anyone thinks that Freemasonry is in any way shape or form compatible with Catholicism.

 

[piojunbabia]

Freemasonry is of Luciferic essence. It is the “black beast” of the Apocalypse. Which represents the hidden, secret sects and societies.

Your professor is serving (or attempting to serve) two masters. Your professor may have more degrees than a thermometer but is in an intellectual stupor if he or you or anyone thinks that Freemasonry is in any way shape or form compatible with Catholicism.

I do agree…

 

[counciltrent]

So then why are there so many people out there who call themselves traditionalists and yet claim the Church erred in that area? Heck, when they hear the word “ecumenism,” they automatically assume false ecumenism – the kind the Church condemns! They seem to think all ecumenism is false!


Benedict XVI, April 29, 2008, Address to the new ambassador of Chad: “The quality of relationships between the religious communities that live in Chad, especially among Christians and Muslims, is an important element along the way of peace and reconciliation. Each must be able to express his own faith without fear and follow the voice of his conscience in the choice of his own religion.” To promote that any person must be able to choose whatever false religion he likes, and therefore damn himself to Hell, is to promote apostasy.

how much “ecumenism” does a good catholic have to tolerate before he can say its wrong.Why did he not call for the conversion of muslims? why say follow the voice of your conscience and not say pray to the Holy Ghost and follow the vioce of God?

JpII kissed the koran and prayed with religous leaders of all kinds. he even allowed jews to have a room(in the vatican) to pray that hadn’ t been blessed in Christs’ name. he prayed with muslims and schismatic leaders. how much is too much and when is ecumenism false?

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[reggieM]

JpII kissed the koran and prayed with religous leaders of all kinds. he even allowed jews to have a room(in the vatican) to pray that hadn’ t been blessed in Christs’ name. he prayed with muslims and schismatic leaders. how much is too much and when is ecumenism false?

Personally, I would start with the reverse of your questions because that is really the problem that we’re dealing with.

When we look at Catholic history we do see instances where “non-ecumenism” was taken too far. When did “non-ecumenism” go too far and could no longer be tolerated?

That’s a painful question – but the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Catholic (not the Holy See, but lay Catholic and some clergy) involvement in the Nazi genocide were events where non-ecumenism went too far.

Is it permitted to kill heretics? That was a question that the Church struggled to answer because there was evidence in the Bible to say that heretics should be killed. But eventually, a more ecumenical view prevailed.

St. Paul went to the Greek pagans at the Aeropagus and praised their search for the unknown God (saying that was the true God).

So, there’s a basis for ecumenism, it can’t be swept away entirely.

False ecumenism though gives the impression of indifferentism. That’s definitely a problem. The excesses of false ecumenism are with us now as a reaction against the errors of non-ecumenism.