Times for LOTH

[twiztedseraph]

What times should all the different offices be prayed? I tend to pray morning after I wake up (which is sometimes afternoon) coupled with the appropriate prayer for the time. And then evening before midnight, and compline before I sleep.

What are the official times?

 

[porthos11]

twiztedseraph:

What times should all the different offices be prayed? I tend to pray morning after I wake up (which is sometimes afternoon) coupled with the appropriate prayer for the time. And then evening before midnight, and compline before I sleep.

What are the official times?

Official times are:

Office of Readings: Any time or joined to another Office.
Morning Prayer: 6:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midmorning: 9:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midday: 12:00 noon
Daytime Prayer, Midafternoon: 3:00 pm
Evening Prayer: 6:00 pm
Night Prayer: after dark or before going to bed, even if after midnight.

It is appropriate to pray the offices “as close as possible to the canonical hour” but the Church really doesn’t say what’s the “allowance”.

 

[twiztedseraph]

porthos11:

Official times are:

Office of Readings: Any time or joined to another Office.
Morning Prayer: 6:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midmorning: 9:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midday: 12:00 noon
Daytime Prayer, Midafternoon: 3:00 pm
Evening Prayer: 6:00 pm
Night Prayer: after dark or before going to bed, even if after midnight.

It is appropriate to pray the offices “as close as possible to the canonical hour” but the Church really doesn’t say what’s the “allowance”.

OKay, I’m using the UK one edition version, I think office of readings is “prayer during the day” so I’ll accompany that with Night Prayer/Compline. Thanks.

 

[wannabee]

Nope - if you are using the UK version it does not contain the Office of Readings - except during the Triduum IIRC

Have actually stopped using that now - as far as possible I ‘do’ Eastern Hours.]

For UK 1 Volume version - Morning Prayer once you are up,

Prayer before noon - as it says - fit it in when you can

Prayer after noon - as it says

Evening prayer - normally about 6pm or after evening meal

Night prayer - as you go to bed.

It’s fairly easy to set up - get someone to help you - but once it’s done you can cope quite easily

 

[twiztedseraph]

wannabee:

Nope - if you are using the UK version it does not contain the Office of Readings - except during the Triduum IIRC

Have actually stopped using that now - as far as possible I ‘do’ Eastern Hours.]

For UK 1 Volume version - Morning Prayer once you are up,

Prayer before noon - as it says - fit it in when you can

Prayer after noon - as it says

Evening prayer - normally about 6pm or after evening meal

Night prayer - as you go to bed.

It’s fairly easy to set up - get someone to help you - but once it’s done you can cope quite easily

I’m a student.

 

[wannabee]

Umm - you are a student ?? So ?? and your problem is ??

 

[tee_eff_em]

porthos11:

Official times are:

Office of Readings: Any time or joined to another Office.
Morning Prayer: 6:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midmorning: 9:00 am
Daytime Prayer, Midday: 12:00 noon
Daytime Prayer, Midafternoon: 3:00 pm
Evening Prayer: 6:00 pm
Night Prayer: after dark or before going to bed, even if after midnight.

It is appropriate to pray the offices “as close as possible to the canonical hour” but the Church really doesn’t say what’s the “allowance”.

Where does one find these times specified?

tee

 

[twiztedseraph]

wannabee:

Umm - you are a student ?? So ?? and your problem is ??

Student (in Highschool) ie, not exactly free to whip out big unwieldy book in the middle of a lecture. We shall see.

Also, what about the “Prayer during the day”? I plan to say each days with compline (which would be after midnight, but still in the same day if you count from waking to sleeping, rather than the actual hours).

 

[Wildgraywolf]

tee_eff_em:

Where does one find these times specified?

tee

Yeah, that’s somthing I’d like to know as well.

 

[tee_eff_em]

twiztedseraph:

I plan to say each days with compline (which would be after midnight, but still in the same day if you count from waking to sleeping, rather than the actual hours).

Well there you are in luck; The General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours says

1. Night prayer is the last prayer of the day, said before retiring, even if that is after midnight.

tee

 

[mercygate]

The Confraternity of Penitents’ Rule of Life notes the following:

All penitents are to pray daily Morning, Evening, and Night Prayer, preferably using the Liturgy of the Hours. Morning Prayer (Lauds, called Prime in the Primitive Rule) is to be prayed between 6 a.m. and 11 a.m. Evening Prayer (Vespers) is to be prayed between 4 p.m. and 11 p.m. Night Prayer (Compline) is to be prayed right before retiring for bed.

The Office of Readings (formerly called Matins) was once said around midnight but may now be prayed at any time during the day. The little hours of Terce (Mid-morning Prayer-about 9 a.m.), Sext (Mid-day Prayer-about noon), and None (Mid-afternoon Prayer-about 3 p.m.) are prayed at approximately the hours described. Penitents may combine some of these prayers and say them at alternate hours if their personal schedules require it. For example, the Office of Readings and Morning Prayer may both be said at dawn if need requires. Midmorning, Midday, and Midafternoon Prayer may be combined at noon and Evening Prayer and Night Prayer combined prior to bedtime.

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

Well there you are in luck; The General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours says

tee

I realise, but what I wanted to know was if “Matins” could be said at for that day’s compline, except after midnight. If that made any sense.

Also, is that edition “Christian Prayer” any good translation wise?

 

[mercygate]

twiztedseraph:

I realise, but what I wanted to know was if “Matins” could be said at for that day’s compline, except after midnight. If that made any sense.

Also, is that edition “Christian Prayer” any good translation wise?

In the Confraternity of Penitents, we may adjust the times of our recitation of the Office with the consent of our Spiritual Director.

The GILH notes that when one is obliged to pray the Office, the obligation supercedes the need to say the hours at their appointed times. You are not obliged to say the Office, so this does not apply to you.

My Director has given me permisson to pray the hours whenever I can fit them in. I often waken in the middle of the night, so I pray the Office of Readings then. At 6:30 a.m. (in church before 7:00 a.m. Mass), I pray Morning prayer and 2 of the little hours. After Mass I read Mid-afternoon Prayer. I pray Evening prayer and Compline together before bed.

 

[wannabee]

Twizted

Christian prayer is not approved for Oz - that’s the Yank version

My SF has said yes OK he’s UGCC - but it applies to all ] you do what you can and when you can.

Prayer is not intended to be a burden.

When I say Mattins now it takes me a good 50 mins - now sometimes that’s not always possible - and I need 2 books for it - but if I can’t manage that then I will pray 3rd and 6th Hours still need 2 books mind ]

Come on - you are carrying books for School - what’s one more.

Don’t make excuses like that - if you want to do it - you can

 

[tee_eff_em]

twiztedseraph:

I realise, but what I wanted to know was if “Matins” could be said at for that day’s compline, except after midnight. If that made any sense.

Also, is that edition “Christian Prayer” any good translation wise?

I’m not sure your question des make sense :whacky: , but maybe the GILOH can help

1. Without prejudice to the regulations just given, the office of readings may be recited at any hour of the day, even during the night hours of the previous day, after evening prayer has been said.

Does that answer the question-I-didn’t-understand?

As to the suitability of Christian Prayer, that depends on where you live and/or whether you are using it as public or private devtion, I believe.

tee

 

[twiztedseraph]

wannabee:

Twizted

Christian prayer is not approved for Oz - that’s the Yank version

My SF has said yes OK he’s UGCC - but it applies to all ] you do what you can and when you can.

Prayer is not intended to be a burden.

When I say Mattins now it takes me a good 50 mins - now sometimes that’s not always possible - and I need 2 books for it - but if I can’t manage that then I will pray 3rd and 6th Hours still need 2 books mind ]

Come on - you are carrying books for School - what’s one more.

Don’t make excuses like that - if you want to do it - you can

I know Christian prayer is the yanks version, but hey, I’ll probably end up joining an order that’ll need me to be comfortable with doing the office of the readings, seeing as I’m saying them privately, I’d be allowed to use the yanks version. So is it a good translation?

I already bring it to school to do morning prayers, but school is extremely hectic, and I don’t want to say the prayers at fullspeed!

On the bright side, I’m only bound to say one of the middle hours, so as soon as I’m out, I’ll do None I’ll probably be able to do Terce in homeroom

I’m just not sure what this so called “prayer during the day” is. Is that matins? And if so, thats the one I wish to combine with my after midnight compline, but that would mean I’d have to do the invitatory…

If anyone has some clarification, please feel free to chime in.

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

I’m not sure your question des make sense :whacky: , but maybe the GILOH can help

Does that answer the question-I-didn’t-understand?

As to the suitability of Christian Prayer, that depends on where you live and/or whether you are using it as public or private devtion, I believe.

tee

Okay, say its thursday. I haven’t said Matins at all. Midnight passes, I do compline, may I do thursday’s matins with compline after midnight?

 

[jimmy]

tee_eff_em:

Where does one find these times specified?

tee

Some of them are named for the hour. Like sext and none(long O) are the sixth and ninth hours. The sixth hour is noon and the ninth hour is 3PM.

 

[mercygate]

twiztedseraph:

Okay, say its thursday. I haven’t said Matins at all. Midnight passes, I do compline, may I do thursday’s matins with compline after midnight?

For your condition of life, I would suggest that if you miss an hour, you may simply recite it (if you wish) or just go on to the next one. You are not under obligation, and it takes a little time to work your way up to fully praying the whole Office.

Why not set yourself a “learning curve?” Pray Morning Prayer every day for a month. Next month, add Evening Prayer. The month after that, add Compline. Month 4, add the Office of Readings, and after that Mid-day Prayer, followed by Midmorning Prayer the next month and Midafternoon prayer the month after that.

That way you will be developing your habits one step at a time and you will stand a better chance of maintaining the practice.

 

[twiztedseraph]

mercygate:

For your condition of life, I would suggest that if you miss an hour, you may simply recite it (if you wish) or just go on to the next one. You are not under obligation, and it takes a little time to work your way up to fully praying the whole Office.

Why not set yourself a “learning curve?” Pray Morning Prayer every day for a month. Next month, add Evening Prayer. The month after that, add Compline. Month 4, add the Office of Readings, and after that Mid-day Prayer, followed by Midmorning Prayer the next month and Midafternoon prayer the month after that.

That way you will be developing your habits one step at a time and you will stand a better chance of maintaining the practice.

I already do Lauds, Vespers and Compline out of habit.

Terce, Sext and None, well I usually recite atleast one, sometimes all.

Matins/Office of Readings/Prayer during the day-this has me stumped I don’t know where to stick it, and I kinda wanted to follow the example of the orders that would wake up in the middle of the night to do it. I would settle with just doing it before compline.