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So this is what Catholic apologetics has become. “Don’t point the finger at us for the inquisition because protestants did it too. We shouldn’t hear about cardinals who protect child molsters because there are lots of protestant perverts too”. This thread is a digrace.
 
I dont follow, because the Catholic church stoot against hitlers suppression of truth you now praise it unresevidly?

Was it the only issue you had?

If the Catholic church is doing or done good isnt it God we should praise?

I will go further, if you now praise it without reservation you must be about to join.

Moses (PBWH) warns its members not to bare false wittness
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
catholicleague.org/pius.php?id=19
 
misleading statistics, excuses, finger pointing. Anything to deflect blame and shame.
***The Australian Nazis ***are not exclusively of working-class origin but are very largely so – with a sprinkling of clerical workers of various sorts. They are in general atheists or perhaps the most nominal of religious believers. They are mostly of Protestant nominal background, but this is probably merely a reflection of the general distribution of Protestants (roughly three-quarters of the population) in Australia

In one sense, then, what these people believe is simple. There is only one enemy to their kind of civilization – the Jews of Wall Street who control the United States and the Bolshevik Jews who control Soviet Russia. On the Australian scene, too, this picture is replicated.

In the modern-day world the situation is vastly different. To see Israel, Russia, and the United States as unified is in fact perverse and necessitates an extraordinarily complex and devious view of world affairs – a view that not only receives no support but is violently contradicted by almost every news bulletin and information source.

And yet among ‘the Right’, the slogan ‘Communism is a Jewish plot’ rings out as bravely as ever. If it is comforting to unify the twin enemies of Communism and Jewry, this comfort is bought at the expense of simplicity. The most devious and implausible explanations are needed to support such a belief, given the present state of world affairs.

This point can perhaps be seen most vividly in the neo-Nazi response to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Nazis naturally support the Arabs (although this goes against the grain: the Arabs would normally be regarded as ‘degenerate’ if they were not anti-Jewish). In so doing, however, the Nazis find themselves aligned with Communists, Trotskyists, and others of the more ‘revolutionary’ Left – whom they otherwise oppose violently.

Antisemitism may have had some simplifying effect in Hitler’s Germany (though even there its effect was to explain a unity, palatably, not to create one), but for the modern neo-Nazi the effect is the opposite. For him it does create a unity but only at the expense of great complications in the interpretation of world affairs. Antisemitism in fact requires great tolerance of contradictory information and a capacity for complicated explanations – even a ‘need for complexity’.

How indeed does the neo-Nazi fit world events into his theory that Wall Street, Israel, and the Kremlin are all but aspects of one masterful, single-minded Jewish conspiracy? He sees international politics as a charade ‘to fool the masses’ (cf. George Orwell’s 1984) –

the Nazi alone ‘knows the score’ about what is going on behind the scenes. Perhaps only outright war between East and West would convince him that there is in fact any real conflict between the two sides. But what about Korea and Vietnam? These conflicts he sees as confirming his view of Jewry. In explanation of this it must be said that he regards Jews themselves as being the real racists (the ‘chosen people’) bent ultimately on openly enslaving or eliminating all others. ‘The Right’ thus see themselves as engaged in a battle of ‘the white race’ versus the Jews.

The relevant slogans are: ‘The first race-laws in history were passed by Nehemiah’, and ‘Israel is a racist state’. The Jews are in fact somewhat admired for ‘getting away with’ their racism so successfully. Thus Korea and Vietnam are seen as rather brilliant subterfuges whose main effect is to stimulate Asians towards the highly desirable goal of wiping one another out: ‘There’s too many of those yellow bastards anyway.’
jonjayray.tripod.com/cogsimp.html
Dr. John Joseph RAY - B.A. in Psychology from the University of Queensland in Brisbane. Imoved to Sydney (in New South Wales, Australia) and took my M.A. in psychology from the University of Sydney in 1969 and my Ph.D. in Behavioural Sciences from Macquarie University in 1974.

White Australian Resistance
Two new racist Skinhead groups have made their appearance of late. One, a Sydney group calling itself Southern Cross Hammer Skinheads, has adopted the motto: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

(This expression, common among far-right activists in the United States, is known as “the 14 words,” and was originally coined by David Lane, an American neo-Nazi terrorist serving a long prsion term. It is noteworthy that the expression is now being used by an Australian Skinhead group which has also borrowed from its American cousins the term “Hammer Skinheads.”) The other Skinhead gang, White Australian Resistance WAR), located in Melbourne, apparently adapted its name from the California-based White Aryan Resistance (WAR). The head of the latter group, Tom Metzger, has boasted on his telephone hotline about the formation of the Australian organization

In 1990, Special Branch detectives in Sydney concluded that Australian National Action had been encouraging Skinheads to mount “a campaign of terror” to distract attention from the Action group’s own violent activities. The annual report of Australia’s Security Intelligence Organization, released in May 1990, indicated that extreme right-wing groups had shown “a clear potential to cause distress to sections of the Australian community, and perhaps threaten life.”

Australia’s bloodiest Skinhead violence of the 1990’s has pitted neo-Nazi Skins against each other (a common occurrence in other countries as well). In 1991, Skinhead Colin Irvine, whose bedroom was adorned with swastika flags and pictures of Hitler, allegedly murdered a fellow Skinhead, before being shot dead by police. On April 21, 1990, a National Action member in Sydney murdered a fellow Skinhead at a Hitler’s birthday party. The victim, David Noble, of Adelaide, was killed by Skinhead Dave Sweetman, with the aid of fellow neo-Nazis Martin Bayston and Sean Shilling. During Sweetman’s trial he shouted at journalists, “You Zionist maggots are going to get what you deserve. Sieg Heil!” Sweetman was convicted and is presently serving 20 years in Pentridge prison.
nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-australia.html
 
How does it feel to be on the other side SIA? Over 400,000 Protestant ministers compared to 26,000 Catholic priests who were accused. Think about it.
Are you actually using a “two wrongs make a right” defense here? Has that ever worked?
 
misleading statistics, excuses, finger pointing. Anything to deflect blame and shame.
Virginia’s Racial Integrity Act of 1924 stands out among anti-miscegenation laws that can be traced to eugenic advocacy. To fashion a successful legislative strategy, three local Virginia eugenicists – John Powell, Earnest Cox and Walter Plecker – consulted with Madison Grant and Harry Laughlin.

Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law, the German Nazi government adopted a law in 1933 that provided Laughlin proudly published a translation of the German Law for the Prevention of Defective Progeny in The Eugenical News

the Model Law was published in 1914, twelve states had enacted sterilization laws.By 1924, approximately 3,000 people had been involuntarily sterilized in America; the vast majority (2,500) in California. That year Virginia passed a Eugenical Sterilization Act based on Laughlin’s Model Law.

Buck v. Bell supplied a precedent for the eventual sterilization of approximately 8,300 Virginians. Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law,

American Eugenics Party
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90038
AMERICAN EUGENICS PARTY PLATFORM

WHITE DEFECTIVES

The caucasians are the controlling race in the world but the reason we do not have a Eugenic Society today is because of interfering, mentally deficient caucasians (White Defectives) in controlling positions (incorrect eugenic programs are a secondary cause). There are White Defectives who propose race mixing, while other White Defectives promote inter-caucasian strife - both prevent Eugenics but in different ways. White Defectives must be removed from controlling positions.
healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/library/wdc-lib/historical/eugenics/
eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/list3.pl

“Birth Control and the Racial Future,” by Frank H. Hankins, People (April 1931)

Nothing is clearer in these matters that that each class or sect tends to perpetuate its own traditions and standards of life. New England, once the stronghold of Unitarianism and congregationalism is now being rapidly dotted with Catholic churches, Irish, Polish, French Canadian, and Italian. Immigration stands in the background of these and associated changes.

We need here say only that birth control contains the key to the problem of racial decay, if there be such, just as it is the arch-stone of any practical scheme of eugenic racial improvement. We do know that family limitation is a necessity of civilization;
 
You are clearly only attempting to deflect the shame onto others. People aren’t buying it. Neither did I. I left…
I don’t respect the decision to leave the Church founded by Christ because of sinners. How foolish!
 
misleading statistics, excuses, finger pointing. Anything to deflect blame and shame.
Crimea, roused the local peasants to fight with him and the Russian Orthodox Cossacks against the Jews. The first wave of violence in 1648 destroyed Jewish communities east of the Dnieper River. Following the violence, thousands of Jews fled west, across the river, to the major cities. The Cossacks and the peasants followed them; the first large-scale massacre took place at Nemirov (a small town, which is part of present-day Ukraine). It is estimated that 100,000-200,000 Jews died in the Chmielnicki revolt that lasted from 1648-1649. This wave of destruction is considered the first modern pogrom.
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Poland.html

On January 30, 1649, eight months after Bogdan Chmielnicki had defeated the Polish army, while the slaughter of Jews was in full swing, the Puritan Demi-Jews presided over the execution of the English king. His death warrant was signed by 59 “saints”; Cromwell’s name was third on the list. One commentator claimed that the execution of the king was “an earth-shattering event.” He would have done better to call the regicide world-shattering instead, because it shattered a number of worlds, all of them medieval. Both the Jew and the Demi-Jew presided at the birth of a new age, an age seen by Jews and Demi-Jews alike, as the dawn of redemption.
culturewars.com/2003/RevolutionaryJew.html

Oliver Cromwell had gone from commoner to Lord Protector, the most powerful man in England. On the way he had massacred many people, had annihilated the monarchy (which was later re-established) and had championed the Puritan cause.

The Civil War was not a class war, but rather the culmination of disenchantment of Parliament with the monarchy. Charles had persecuted Puritans and had long-since clashed with Parliament. The War saw fighting between the two sides - Parliament (nicknamed the ‘Roundheads’ due to their severe haircuts) and the Cavaliers (the king and his followers).

Cromwell was now titled ‘Lord General and Commander in Chief of the Commonwealth and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland’.
essortment.com/all/whowasoliver_rjdq.htm
 
I don’t respect the decision to leave the Church founded by Christ because of sinners. How foolish!
It may be foolish and to me it is not the best path.

But how can i call my friends foolish after what happened?

How did you get over it happening to you?

Did you even consider leaving?
 
Luke 17
3 Take heed to yourselves. If thy brother sin against thee, reprove him: and if he do penance, forgive him

it is precisely the distinction between “revengeful anger” and “righteous divine anger” that Lactantius, followed by Tertullian and Cyprian, argued against the pagan Cicero

The bottom line is this: Anger does not necessarily create an “appetite for revenge.” It is only unbridled anger that creates such deleterious passions.

Righteous anger produces a cognitive indignation against evil and a pure desire to see the evil eradicated, either by repentance of the sinner or the vengeance of God if he does not repent.
catholicintl.com/catholicissues/field2-4.htm

2 Corinthians 5 10 For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.
 
Righteous anger produces a cognitive indignation against evil and a pure desire to see the evil eradicated, either by repentance of the sinner or the vengeance of God if he does not repent.
The image i hold of My God is above vengeance.
He is of Justice and mercy.

Do you know of any scripture references to support His need for revenge?

I am not real scholarly and may have missed it.

If not is it of your religions doctrine and from what religion are you from.

May God bless you for helping me
 
The image i hold of My God is above vengeance.
He is of Justice and mercy.

Do you know of any scripture references to support His need for revenge?

I am not real scholarly and may have missed it.

If not is it of your religions doctrine and from what religion are you from.

May God bless you for helping me
Matthew 10 34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Apocalypse 2 16 In like manner do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Luke 22 36 But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword.

Matthew 11 20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.

Matthew 11 21 Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you.

Matthew 25
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
 
Matthew 10 34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Apocalypse 2 16 In like manner do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Luke 22 36 But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword.

Matthew 11 20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.

Matthew 11 21 Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you.

Matthew 25
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
I give thanks to God for your attention to my question.

I guess my language understanding is in my way.

For Me your quotations are of justice, revenge for me is ugly.

May God bless you
 
I give thanks to God for your attention to my question.

I guess my language understanding is in my way.

For Me your quotations are of justice, revenge for me is ugly.

May God bless you
Sadly, some individuals misconstrue fundamental option in such a way there are no particular mortal sins. Instead, the one “mortal sin” which would take a soul to hell is for a person to willingly, knowingly reject God and His love entirely. Such a stance would reduce fundamental option to some psychological game, whereby a person says, “I love God. I do not reject God. My individual choices or particular actions do not affect my total being. Therefore, although I committed adultery, or murdered someone, or fornicated, or robbed the bank, (or committed any other mortal sin), God still loves me, I love God, and I think I am going to heaven.” Think again. While only God can probe the depths of our soul and judge a person, objectively, those actions are mortal sins. To choose mortal sin indicates a contempt for the divine law.
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MORTSIN.HTM
 
Sadly, some individuals misconstrue fundamental option in such a way there are no particular mortal sins. Instead, the one “mortal sin” which would take a soul to hell is for a person to willingly, knowingly reject God and His love entirely. Such a stance would reduce fundamental option to some psychological game, whereby a person says, “I love God. I do not reject God. My individual choices or particular actions do not affect my total being. Therefore, although I committed adultery, or murdered someone, or fornicated, or robbed the bank, (or committed any other mortal sin), God still loves me, I love God, and I think I am going to heaven.” Think again. While only God can probe the depths of our soul and judge a person, objectively, those actions are mortal sins. To choose mortal sin indicates a contempt for the divine law.
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MORTSIN.HTM
I aint well educated and really cant see the conection to the quote.
 
How childish is this whole discussion?

The leaders of our church did some very evil things:

Priests molested children, Bishops hid them and, frankly, scared families into silence or paid them off.

These are facts.

It doesn’t matter what this or that Protestant minister did or what this or that Protestant website says. This is our black eye, this is the filth on our side of the street.

It needs to be noted that those numbers are skewed. They do not differentiate between the homosexual predation of minors (which is what has been overwhelmingly our church’s problem) and other kinds of sexual offense, including consensual varieties.

I am not saying that statutory rape or adultery are okay. But I am saying that if you must stoop to painting them with a broad brush, make sure it is the same brush and point ONLY to instances of the homosexual abuse of minors by emotionally immature gay men sublimating their perversion in a collar.

Also, in the vast majority of cases, Protestant churches have done a much better job of disciplining the offenders and dealing with the situation after the fact than we have.
 
The Protestant Inquisition

C O N T E N T S
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW
II. PROTESTANT DIVISIONS AND MUTUAL ANIMOSITIES
III. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION
IV. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM
V. VIOLENT RADICALISM AND THE PROTESTANT REVOLUTION
VI. DEATH AND TORTURE FOR CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANT DISSIDENTS
VII. PROTESTANT WITCH HUNTS
VIII. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP
catholicapologetics.info/…#1111111111111

Sins of the past - forgivness nowhere to be found
 
  1. These are not primarily cases of the homosexual predation of minors. Where they are not, no comparison should, or really can be made.
  2. Protestant churches have generally done a much better job of dealing with the problem than we have.
 
  1. These are not primarily cases of the homosexual predation of minors. Where they are not, no comparison should, or really can be made.
  2. Protestant churches have generally done a much better job of dealing with the problem than we have.
Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between …2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent

CONCLUSION
Indeed, it shows that family members are the most likely to sexually molest a child. It also shows that the incidence of the sexual abuse of a minor is slightly higher among the Protestant clergy than among the Catholic clergy, and that it is significantly higher among public school teachers than among ministers and priests.

catholicleague.org/specialreports.php?id=10

CATHOLIC CHURCH ADVISED TO SUE ‘SEX-EXPERTS’ WHO COUNSELLED PEDOPHILE PRIESTS
NEW YORK (NY)
Life Site

NEW YORK, January 14, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Dr. Judith Reisman, Ph. D., the researcher who uncovered the fraud underpinning the field of sexology created by Dr. Alfred Kinsey, has advised the Catholic Church to sue the so-called sex “experts” who advised the Bishops and allegedly “treated” sex abuser priests. An article by the Catholic Citizens of Illinois and The Wanderer Press points out that Reisman believes that the ‘treatments’ given to predator priests in Kinsey-inspired therapy sessions were so grossly ineffective, that the Catholic Church and the victims of clerical sexual abuse have a legal claim against these sex clinics for medical malpractice.
poynter.org/column.asp?id=46&aid=17303

260 reports of abuse yearly in Protestant churches
SEX SCANDALS | Long-sought number surfaces
June 15, 2007 BY ROSE FRENCH
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members
knoxnews.com/news/2007/jun/15/protestant-sex-abuse-cases-revealed/

Baptist Churches More Vulnerable to Clergy Sex Abuse, Experts Say
The increased instances of sex-abuse stories in the news may not necessarily mean it’s happening more than in prior decades. It often means people are simply talking about it more openly, according to some experts. And victims have encouraged others to come forward with their own stories of abuse.
abpnews.com/1640.article
 
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