Tired of religion being a barrier within our society and between families and people

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Kitty Chan:
I think its a great observation! Its something God is putting on your heart I know its on mine. My heart breaks to see believers in Christ pick at one another. Born out by responses to your question.

If anything should be dismantled its our hate, pride, prejudice and evil to one another. If we tried to see each other as Christ sees us, no matter what we are.

Honestly this whole attitude of whos more right than the other is keeping people who dont believe in God away, and those that do because they dont subscribe to our clubs rules then theyre out! This keeps people away from not churches, but God.

There were 7 churches in Rev, they all had different problems. But I dont remember God toasting them, He instructed them on how to strive to follow Him. To answer you, in the end, like the seven, the churches you state, are supposed to be one church following Christ. This will happen by Christ dismantling us and forming us to be like Him. 🙂
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I will tell you…that’s exactly what drove almost every non-Christian I know away. The in-fighting makes me sick to my stomach at times.
 
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MikeinSD:
And do not, repeat, do not tell a member of the Jewish faith that they are going to hell because they are not Christians. Seems to piss them off.
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The way it would if they told you you are going to Hell because you aren’t a Jew?

Funny how that works.
 
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Liberalsaved:
The fact is, the beleifs are what matter. Not where you choose to worship them. I seriously doubt that when Christ started CHRISTIANITY, which is why it is named after Him, He had the idea that there were no ways to worship Him than the way Catholics have chosen.
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Are you kidding me with this stuff? Let me ask you a real quick question - how do you even know WHAT Jesus’ teachings were?
 
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exoflare:
Are you kidding me with this stuff? Let me ask you a real quick question - how do you even know WHAT Jesus’ teachings were?
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I said I doubt.

And funny, I’m detecting a breach of the no-questioning-someone’s faith rule here.
 
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Liberalsaved:
I said I doubt.

And funny, I’m detecting a breach of the no-questioning-someone’s faith rule here.
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If I begged you hard enough, would you please not tell on me? :rolleyes:
 
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Liberalsaved:
I will tell you…that’s exactly what drove almost every non-Christian I know away. The in-fighting makes me sick to my stomach at times.
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You have to note that in Matthew 10:34-46

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

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JoeyWarren:
You have to note that in Matthew 10:34-46

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

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This still lends not a bit of sense to beleivers in Christ fighting amongst each other over HOW to beleive in Him.
 
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Liberalsaved:
This still lends not a bit of sense to beleivers in Christ fighting amongst each other over HOW to beleive in Him.
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Well, this begs the question: “Are those who claim to believe in Christ but do not do so in the correct way, Christians? Are they really believers in Christ or in a Christ of their own making?”
 
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Liberalsaved:
I will tell you…that’s exactly what drove almost every non-Christian I know away. The in-fighting makes me sick to my stomach at times.
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Amen!
 
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LatinCat:
Well, this begs the question: “Are those who claim to believe in Christ but do not do so in the correct way, Christians? Are they really believers in Christ or in a Christ of their own making?”
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Since Christ is the foundation of being Christian, the right way to beleive in Christ is to follow His teachings and live your life by them. Since many situations we face today are not touched upon by Christ, we unfortunately have to make some interpretations. This strikes me as a good thing in some ways, though it will always lead to divisions within an organization. That’s almost unaviodable as long as people insist on having an exclusive club that sees things only one way, and unless someone goes back and get’s Jesus’s exact policy for modern issues in writing.

It seems to me that there is no right way of worshipping Christ, aside from a few specifics. Yes, it was said He came as a sword, or a lion, but it was also said He came as a lamb. Which you choose to focus on should not be a basis for deciding whether you are right or wrong, and whether you choose to add anything to the worship outside of His ministry itself shouldn’t even be an issue in that debate.
 
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This still lends not a bit of sense to beleivers in Christ fighting amongst each other over HOW to beleive in Him.
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Sola Scriptura first incarnated by Martin Luther allowed Satan a foot hold into the door of the rigtheous. From there Satan whispered into the ears of others that his own personal interpetation is valid and he could be his own Peter…Satan has slowly eroded away every belief that the Catholic Church holds to…
 
That’s almost unaviodable as long as people insist on having an exclusive club that sees things only one way, and unless someone goes back and get’s Jesus’s exact policy for modern issues in writing.
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He does have his policy. The early church fathers that came after the apostles understood what was written by the Apostles. Some of the early church fathers themselves were deciples of the Apostles.
 
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JoeyWarren:
Sola Scriptura first incarnated by Martin Luther allowed Satan a foot hold into the door of the rigtheous. From there Satan whispered into the ears of others that his own personal interpetation is valid and he could be his own Peter…Satan has slowly eroded away every belief that the Catholic Church holds to…
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That’s just so silly. “You don’t beleive in Christ like I beleive in Christ, therefore you’re wrong”.

What a waste of time and energy to beleive that.

Edit: and to debate with someone who beleives that. I’m out.
 
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JoeyWarren:
Who said that?
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Sounded an awful lot like you were saying Lutherans and Protestants follow a system corrupted by the devil and Catholics don’t. Sounds pretty divisive to me.
 
Have ever wondered what Christs thinks about all of these Denominations that exist all professing belief in Jesus but don’t agree on the same Issue.

You could have 50 different representatives from 50 different denominations and each given a verse to explain. Each would have a different interpretation and each claiming the holy spirit gave each one of them the interpretation. That sounds more like a God of Confusion and we know by Scripture that is not the case.
 
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JoeyWarren:
Have ever wondered what Christs thinks about all of these Denominations that exist all professing belief in Jesus but don’t agree on the same Issue.

You could have 50 different representatives from 50 different denominations and each given a verse to explain. Each would have a different interpretation and each claiming the holy spirit gave each one of them the interpretation. That sounds more like a God of Confusion and we know by Scripture that is not the case.
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All I know is God wants you to beleive in the hope of Him, and I doubt he cares what altar you worship Him from.

And if I’m wrong about that, I’m going to Hell and I’ll face it when the time comes.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Sounded an awful lot like you were saying Lutherans and Protestants follow a system corrupted by the devil and Catholics don’t. Sounds pretty divisive to me.
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That is actually what I believe.

Ephesians 4:2-16
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

the word for faith is
pistis
pis’-tis
persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Satan has destroyed that oneness.

Php 1:27 - Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Satan has destroyed that oneness of spirit, oneness of mind. And we no longer strive together for the same doctrine of the Good News.
 
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Liberalsaved:
All I know is God wants you to beleive in the hope of Him, and I doubt he cares what altar you worship Him from.

And if I’m wrong about that, I’m going to Hell and I’ll face it when the time comes.
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Right ! So why don’t you start off by changing your faith name. Quit continuing embarrassing Catholicism !! The world is confusing as is, we don’t need another to worsen it!
 
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