Tired of religion being a barrier within our society and between families and people

[JoeyWarren]

Liberalsaved:

And if I’m wrong about that, I’m going to Hell and I’ll face it when the time comes.

No I don’t believe you will go to hell. As long as you keep the commandments you will go to heaven, but you will be held accountable for what you believe as what I believe as well. I expect to spend some time in the state of purification prior to entering heaven, for no unclean thing can enter heaven, and I am unclean because I still cling to vices and other vineal sins. I am trying to shake these off, but Satan is always there putting them back on. No one living on this earth is without sin. We are all sinners. We are saved, but we are sinners non-the-less.

 

[Liberalsaved]

cathgal:

Right ! So why don’t you start off by changing your faith name. Quit continuing embarrassing Catholicism !! The world is confusing as is, we don’t need another to worsen it!

Lady, you’re only embarassing yourself by coming in exclusively to yell at me.

 

[cathgal]

Liberalsaved:

Lady, you’re only embarassing yourself by coming in exclusively to yell at me.

Oh, is that how you interpret it…like your faith ??

 

[Liberalsaved]

cathgal:

Oh, is that how you interpret it…like your faith ??

Hmmm, isn’t it funny how the rules are being followed by me here…but not you?

 

[cathgal]

Liberalsaved:

Hmmm, isn’t it funny how the rules are being followed by me here…but not you?

What rules ?? All I’m seeing is you going all over the forums scattering your liberal thoughts ! Change your faith name if you want to pursue that vocation. You’d do us all a great favor !

 

[jennifer101]

JoeyWarren:

Have ever wondered what Christs thinks about all of these Denominations that exist all professing belief in Jesus but don’t agree on the same Issue.

You could have 50 different representatives from 50 different denominations and each given a verse to explain. Each would have a different interpretation and each claiming the holy spirit gave each one of them the interpretation. That sounds more like a God of Confusion and we know by Scripture that is not the case.

I think that as long as individuals “hunger and thirst” for God and wisdom, they’re on the right track no matter which denomination or Church they belong to. God is not limited to how He reaches out to us. The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. He’s working on each and every one of us with all His might. He doesn’t give up on any one of us even when we give up on Him. Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved. There’s a lot of self righteousness within this chat community. There’s like two groups here. The Holy rollers who beat the **** out of posters who don’t feel overwhelming Joy every moment because even though they might be suffering, they know Jesus and align their suffering with His… then the group that’s not like the first group. I don’t aspire to be an unempathetic … perfect… catholic who enjoys my suffering and is practically orgasmic at receiving communion. That kind of rhetoric is not the ideal. There are a lot of “actors and actresses” here. How about getting real?

 

[JoeyWarren]

jennifer101:

I think that as long as individuals “hunger and thirst” for God and wisdom, they’re on the right track no matter which denomination or Church they belong to. God is not limited to how He reaches out to us. The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. He’s working on each and every one of us with all His might. He doesn’t give up on any one of us even when we give up on Him. Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved. There’s a lot of self righteousness within this chat community. There’s like two groups here. The Holy rollers who beat the **** out of posters who don’t feel overwhelming Joy every moment because even though they might be suffering, they know Jesus and align their suffering with His… then the group that’s not like the first group. I don’t aspire to be an unempathetic … perfect… catholic who enjoys my suffering and is practically orgasmic at receiving communion. That kind of rhetoric is not the ideal. There are a lot of “actors and actresses” here. How about getting real?

Very good reply. God! I hope I am not an actor.

hmmmmmm what does this have to do with my comment?

 

[mikew262]

Liberalsaved:

All I know is God wants you to beleive in the hope of Him, and I doubt he cares what altar you worship Him from.

While I’m most comfortable being a Catholic, I suspect there is alot of truth in what you say.

 

[mikew262]

jennifer101:

I think that as long as individuals “hunger and thirst” for God and wisdom, they’re on the right track no matter which denomination or Church they belong to. God is not limited to how He reaches out to us. The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. He’s working on each and every one of us with all His might. He doesn’t give up on any one of us even when we give up on Him. Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved. There’s a lot of self righteousness within this chat community. There’s like two groups here. The Holy rollers who beat the **** out of posters who don’t feel overwhelming Joy every moment because even though they might be suffering, they know Jesus and align their suffering with His… then the group that’s not like the first group. I don’t aspire to be an unempathetic … perfect… catholic who enjoys my suffering and is practically orgasmic at receiving communion. That kind of rhetoric is not the ideal. There are a lot of “actors and actresses” here. How about getting real?

Well said!

 

[cathgal]

jennifer101:

I think that as long as individuals “hunger and thirst” for God and wisdom, they’re on the right track no matter which denomination or Church they belong to. God is not limited to how He reaches out to us. The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. He’s working on each and every one of us with all His might. He doesn’t give up on any one of us even when we give up on Him. Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved. There’s a lot of self righteousness within this chat community.

I would be careful about the message in this post as it can be misunderstood …if you know what I mean.

 

[jennifer101]

cathgal:

I would be careful about the message in this post as it can be misunderstood …if you know what I mean.

I posted it, but I don’t know what you mean.

 

[Catholic29]

Liberalsaved:

You fail to understand that even though Catholicism came along later in history than some other religions worshipping the same God, it’s the only true Christianity.

heavy sarcasm

The fact is, the beleifs are what matter. Not where you choose to worship them. I seriously doubt that when Christ started CHRISTIANITY, which is why it is named after Him, He had the idea that there were no ways to worship Him than the way Catholics have chosen.

Strange way of putting it,

If Christ’s claims to godhood in the bible are more than fable, I wonder how he would want us to worship him anyway?

Though I follow the posts and dialogues here with candid interest, I am now taking all that is said with a grain of salt. It has been my experience in the forums that the more conservative and astutely dogma following a poster is, the less he/she tends to adhere to the Catholic theological virtue of charity. The other two virtues being faith and hope, which I have been growing short of as of late. Due in no small part to the rampant hypocrisy I have witnessed in the Church.

People can think what they want to think, and say what they want to say. But being that I am more or less clueless, and increasingly out of the Catholic and Christian fray intelectually, I am caring less and less about the whole deal.

 

[Liberalsaved]

Catholic29:

Strange way of putting it,

If Christ’s claims to godhood in the bible are more than fable, I wonder how he would want us to worship him anyway?

Though I follow the posts and dialogues here with candid interest, I am now taking all that is said with a grain of salt. It has been my experience in the forums that the more conservative and astutely dogma following a poster is, the less he/she tends to adhere to the Catholic theological virtue of charity. The other two virtues being faith and hope, which I have been growing short of as of late. Due in no small part to the rampant hypocrisy I have witnessed in the Church.

People can think what they want to think, and say what they want to say. But being that I am more or less clueless, and increasingly out of the Catholic and Christian fray intelectually, I am caring less and less about the whole deal.

I am an amatuer scholar of all religions; I use it in writing a lot. And I have to say; there are some days I just want to drop all respect I have for certain religions, often my own, and just say “You guys want to spend all your time fighting? Fine. You do that. I’m gonna go over here and eat some ice cream in the shade or something.”

There is a wonderful article I have pinned to my bedroom door by Dave Barry. In it he recounts a conversation about religion between his pre-school age daughter and her pre-school age friend. Barry is an Atheist (unstated but his comments seem to lean that way) and his wife is Jewish. And his daughter, Sophia, is explaining the difference. She explains that one comes from one place and the other, another place. Simple and accurate as only a child can make it. Then they go back to playing with toys. He then compares this with some adult dealings with religious differences.

Barry says:

Adult 1: “Do you beleive in God?”
Adult 2: “No.”
Adult 1: BLAM

Adult 1: “Do you beleive in God?”
Adult 2: “Yes.”
Adult 1: “Do you beleive in MY God?”
Adult 2: “No.”
Adult 1: BLAM

There is much of this done in his trademark humor in the article. It underlines all my frustrations and I simply had to clip it.

 

[cathgal]

jennifer101:

I posted it, but I don’t know what you mean.

“The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. …Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved”

Your message here is very misleading for those ignorant of what the Catholic Church is. You may have a good intention of what you wanted to say but your wording is ambiguous and deceptive.

“Outside the Church, there is no salvation” This is the teaching of the Church, but this line alone will result in many to misunderstand it. I wouldn’t go into detail what this statement entail. You can read on it to understand it more clearly. For the purpose of this post, you can see how your message clearly contradict the teachings of the Church. You need to be careful of what you say cuz there are many ignorant people who will take your word at face value.

 

[jennifer101]

“The Catholic Church is not the only path to God. Even those who don’t attend any church, never read a bible or dialogue with God, still posess Him in their hearts. …Catholics have a horrible tendency to equate participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony with acceptance by God. You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved”

Your message here is very misleading for those ignorant of what the Catholic Church is. You may have a good intention of what you wanted to say but your wording is ambiguous and deceptive.

“Outside the Church, there is no salvation” This is the teaching of the Church, but this line alone will result in many to misunderstand it. I wouldn’t go into detail what this statement entail. You can read on it to understand it more clearly. For the purpose of this post, you can see how your message clearly contradict the teachings of the Church. You need to be careful of what you say cuz there are many ignorant people who will take your word at face value.

I meant my words at face value. You should “be careful of what you say” because “there are many ingorant people who will take your word at face value” as well.

There is too salvation outside the Catholic Church. Maybe there are nuances to that statement of yours that I don’t understand. But I do not believe that Catholics pteach that Jews, along with all the other types of Christians are not going to be saved. Is that what you meant? I’ve been a Catholic a long time, and I thought that sentiment of “no salvation outside the Church” was a mistaken interpretation of our faith. Can you clarify for me, please.

 

[JoeyWarren]

cathgal:

Catholics have a horrible

tendency to equate

participation in Catholic tradition and ceremony

with acceptance by God.

Some Protestants have a horrible

tendency to equate

attending church both on Sunday morning and Sunday NIght and on Wednesday Night with

acceptance by God!?

 

[cathgal]

jennifer101:

I meant my words at face value. You should “be careful of what you say” because “there are many ingorant people who will take your word at face value” as well.

There is too salvation outside the Catholic Church. Maybe there are nuances to that statement of yours that I don’t understand. But I do not believe that Catholics pteach that Jews, along with all the other types of Christians are not going to be saved. Is that what you meant? I’ve been a Catholic a long time, and I thought that sentiment of “no salvation outside the Church” was a mistaken interpretation of our faith. Can you clarify for me, please.

Your original post said ‘The Catholic Church is not the only path to God’ and ‘You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved’. If you say this, don’t you think you need to ELABORATE on it ? According to your statements, a person can say, ‘hey, being a Muslim or a Jehoval is just as good as being a Catholic’ . Another word, there is no such thing as a true religion.

To understand more…read

ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura5.htm

 

[Ahimsa]

cathgal:

Your original post said ‘The Catholic Church is not the only path to God’ and ‘You don’t have to be a Catholic to be saved’. If you say this, don’t you think you need to ELABORATE on it ? According to your statements, a person can say, ‘hey, being a Muslim or a Jehoval is just as good as being a Catholic’ . Another word, there is no such thing as a true religion.

To understand more…read

ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura5.htm

But certainly it is true that the CC does not teach that you must be a visible member of the CC, in order to be saved.

 

[cathgal]

Ahimsa:

But certainly it is true that the CC does not teach that you must be a visible member of the CC, in order to be saved.

Pius IX (Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863) taught: “God… in His supreme goodness and clemency, by no means allows anyone to be punished with eternal punishments who does not have the guilt of voluntary fault.” Vatican II (Lumen gentium # 16) taught the same: “They who without their own fault do not know of the Gospel of Christ and His Church, but yet seek God with sincere heart, and try, under the influence of grace, to carry out His will in practice, known to them through the dictate of conscience, can attain eternal salvation.” Pius XII had said (Mystici Corporis Christi) that one can “be related to the Church by a certain desire and wish of which he is not aware”, i.e., by the desire to do what God wills in general.

IF YOU KNOW that salvation comes from the Catholic Church and do not seek to be a member, you are accountable for your guilt.

 

[jennifer101]

cathgal:

Pius IX (Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863) taught: “God… in His supreme goodness and clemency, by no means allows anyone to be punished with eternal punishments who does not have the guilt of voluntary fault.” Vatican II (Lumen gentium # 16) taught the same: “They who without their own fault do not know of the Gospel of Christ and His Church, but yet seek God with sincere heart, and try, under the influence of grace, to carry out His will in practice, known to them through the dictate of conscience, can attain eternal salvation.” Pius XII had said (Mystici Corporis Christi) that one can “be related to the Church by a certain desire and wish of which he is not aware”, i.e., by the desire to do what God wills in general.

IF YOU KNOW that salvation comes from the Catholic Church and do not seek to be a member, you are accountable for your guilt.

All I can think to say to people like you is ~ thank God, you’re not God. Catholics like you give the religion a bad name. Salvation, btw, comes from GOD, not the Catholic Church. Is being a Catholic the easiest way to God…? In my opinion, yes. But some people chose a different path and often times, that path is a lot rockier, bumpier and scarier. Maybe their determination to get there anyway, despite the greater difficulty is something God considers. I believe God is more compassionate, more forgiving, more everything than I’m capable of. So, if I’M moved to compassion for someone outside of the CC, then I can only imagine God’s moved far more than I can comprehend. You really shouldn’t go around quoting Pope’s for proof of anything. Jesus spelled it all out for us. All of these churches outside the Catholic Church are more than likely just other avenues to God. He wants all of us there, not just the Catholics. Yes… even Muslims and Jews…gasp!