Tithe in LDS. Friend worried

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CourtingTex said:
In the Old Testament (not the ten commandments) 4 scriptures I will cite about tithing ---- again tithing is clear before you response back to me and say no it is not ---- tithing is clear
  • Genesis 14:18-20
  • Leviticus 27:30-34
  • Deuteronomy 14:22
  • Malachi 3:8-11
If you misinterpret these scriptures, this explains to me why tithing is not the Lord’s law of finance in most churches, including Catholicism.

Payment of tithing is a commandment — this notion of forgiving ---- have that make sense, if you will??? God gives us everything and so payment of tithing, is more than just paying it, it shows our faith in his gospel.
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Although the Church teaches that offering some form of material support to the Church is obligatory for all Catholic adults who are able to do so, it doesn’t specify what percent of one’s income should be given. Remember, tithing was an Old Testament obligation that was incumbent on the Jews under the Law of Moses. Christians are dispensed from the obligation of tithing ten percent of their incomes, but not from the obligation to help the Church.

The key to understanding how God wants us to give to the Church is found in 1 Corinthians 16:2, “On the first day of the week [Sunday] each of you should set aside whatever he can afford,” and in 2 Corinthians 9:5-8,

So I thought it necessary to encourage the brothers to go on ahead to you and arrange in advance for your promised gift [donation], so that in this way it might be ready as a bountiful gift and not as an exaction. Consider this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each must do as already determined without sadness or compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Moreover, God is able to make every grace abundant for you, so that in all things, always having all you need, you may have an abundance for every good work.

To paraphrase: God doesn’t demand a fixed amount of money from us; he wants us to give from the heart. If people are forced by their church to give a certain percent of their income, that’s extortion. If they give freely and cheerfully the amount they are able, that’s a gift.

 
Beautifully said! 🤩

You seem very confident in scripture. Could you bring up some passages about how we are to treat widows and how we are to act with mercy in monetary situations?
 
Whether one tenth of one’s livestock or something else, the law of tithing was to be followed. The scriptures cited were before the church of Jesus Christ was organized. My understanding and study reveals to me that the law of tithing was to continue. Obviously, as a result of apostasy and changes in ordinances in the church of Jesus Christ, this law among others were lost, which for me why this commandment is so foreign to so many Christian people.

In the restored church of Jesus Christ, the law of tithing is a commandment of God. The LDS church does not have numerous ways to support it — the law of tithing is it.

Again — before I get attacked by those of who will undoubtly say this has nothing to do with tithing, you should consider the following which I submit has you and I interpreting the scriptures cited differently.

As a Latter Day Saint, I believe the Bible to be correct so far as it was translated correctly ----- which from my thinking explains why you and I have different interpretations of the scriptures cited.
 
So why does your church (here in Utah) have yearly meetings with its members to discuss how much they have or haven’t tithed? Why must you pay to enter the temples? The temples that are of God. There is no commandment about tithing, no matter how much you twist scripture. I thought God is for everyone? Not just paying members.
 
I Left Catholicism because it was teaching false doctrine. That was fact that I had to learn, particularly since I dare to walk away. Accordingly to some of you, I need to go to confession this Saturday and be attending Mass the following Sunday. I left and have no shame in that at all, despite the efforts of some Catholic friends of mine who say I need to return by having me feel guilty for leaving.

I understand that my church supposely does a number of things, stated on catholic.com/etc none of which are true ---- just a continuation of things to spoken about, placed on the internet, etc to educate those who do not know the “truth” of the LDS church.

In no way do I feel persecuted by things said about my church.
 
I mean no disrespect to sincere Mormons, but that sounds a bit pelagianist to me.
 
@CourtingTex, I think the reason why this thread became one that focused on attacking Mormon faith (and you specifically) is that you didn’t show how Mormons help those that are in financial stress. The way you worded it make it seems like LDS don’t care if someone is in financial stress, when in fact it was just one bishop, assuming there are no missing information of that LDS follower that we do not know, that didn’t give her an option for some assistance.

You just need to explain how LDS does it, as gazelam did (ie. Tithe the same amount as usual, and then get assistance). You do not need to explain anything more than that.
 
A LDS bishop helps anyone, whether a member or not, in financial situation as they come to him to request assistance. There are a number of options available to assist someone. (Those not members have no obligation to convert for the assistance provided)
 
Jestersage said:
@CourtingTex, I think the reason why this thread became one that focused on attacking Mormon faith (and you specifically) is that you didn’t show how Mormons help those that are in financial stress. The way you worded it make it seems like LDS don’t care if someone is in financial stress, when in fact it was just one bishop, assuming there are no missing information of that LDS follower that we do not know, that didn’t give her an option for some assistance.

You just need to explain how LDS does it, as gazelam did (ie. Tithe the same amount as usual, and then get assistance). You do not need to explain anything more than that.
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He won’t. He refuses to acknowledge that this Bishop is mistreating an elderly lady.
 
The LDS church wont help anyone that isn’t LDS. They may send some relief for folks but why does a church send help only to say that they are LDS. Why not just do it because its right? Does it matter what religion you are? No. CourtingTex says we are just looking on the internet for disinformation about his church but ive been told by lds people that went to a local catholic food bank that their own church (and other wards) would not give them food because A) they didn’t have enough or B) they didn’t belong to their ward. So they went to a catholic church for help without having to work for the food they received unlike the lds church that makes them work it off. Where is the charity at? So Tex before you start running your mouth maybe you should be truthful about how your church really is. Also tell me how does it feel paying your 10% so your church can build a billion dollar shopping center?
 
Contrast that with Mother Teresa, who aided people regardless of their religious beliefs, with no expectation or obligation of conversion.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
Beautifully said! 🤩

You seem very confident in scripture. Could you bring up some passages about how we are to treat widows and how we are to act with mercy in monetary situations?
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I was quoting the article that I linked at the end. 😊

here’s one:

Isaiah 1:17
learn to do good.
Make justice your aim: redress the wronged,
hear the orphan’s plea, defend the widow.
 
You are beginning to sound as though you want to come back to the Catholic Church but due to family & social circumstances you can’t. Every thread I’ve seen you post on has this same reoccurring theme. No one on this thread has suggested that you just go to confession and return to Mass. In all reality no one is suggesting you leave the LDS.

You walked away, many people walk away because they either don’t understand the teachings of the Catholic Church or they disagree with the teachings. I have a feeling you were a bit of both.

You can make the claim of truthfulness of the LDS all you want, but on this particular forum, very few will agree with you. It does appear that you do protest overly much though.
 
Apache75 said:
The LDS church wont help anyone that isn’t LDS.
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I served in five bishoprics and I can tell you that is absolutely false. I wrote out many checks and provided various assistance to non-LDS people.

Not defending the LDS Church, which I’m no longer a part of, but defending the truth.
 
Yeah, I can testify to this because the LDS actually gave money to my family after my dad died.
 
CourtingTex said:
Nothing to do with wealth ---- keeping a commandment of God.
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where is this commandment to tithe? If it isn’t in the New Testament then it is not part of salvation theology. Jesus would not condemn the poor who can’t contribute.
 
I cited 4 Old Testament scriptures ----- this is not Mormon doctrine as some of you believe – the Old Testament, referring to tithing.
 
The leaders get very nice pay from the tithes of those who can’t afford food and utilities, yet they don’t have to pay tithing on what they get.
 
Sorry! Wrong! Wrong! How can she be blessed if she gets kicked out of
where she is living because she can no longer pay?? If this is the kind of
“God” the LDS believes in. That is just too, too sad.
 
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