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I think tithing is a very personal thing. BUT you will see that on a lot of other threads many catholics feel that the programming at their parishes are weak and that some neighboring protestant churches have great programming. I believe this is at least in part to tithing practices.

The thing people must ask is…How important is church to me?
 
santaro75 said:
I think tithing is a very personal thing. BUT you will see that on a lot of other threads many catholics feel that the programming at their parishes are weak and that some neighboring protestant churches have great programming. I believe this is at least in part to tithing practices.

The thing people must ask is…How important is church to me?
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But that’s the thing our parish has over 4,000 people in it, the building is like 80 years old long been paid for. Simple math tells you our parish makes a lot of cash every week. And they offer nothing for parishoners. There’s no RCIA, no Bible studies, they only do one hour of adoration a week. I mean why should I give more, I honestly don’t think money is the issue in our parish.
 
Well tithing is all about your giving back to God. Does it take a church to teaches all of us to tithe , then we start our tithing?? Or do we still tithe to our church with all our heart even without church asking you to do?? The question is about how willingliy you wanted to give back to God, i believe all devoted Christian will tithe even without ask church you to do, it is because what we have/own now all comes from God.
 
Saint_Michael said:
But that’s the thing our parish has over 4,000 people in it, the building is like 80 years old long been paid for. Simple math tells you our parish makes a lot of cash every week. And they offer nothing for parishoners. There’s no RCIA, no Bible studies, they only do one hour of adoration a week. I mean why should I give more, I honestly don’t think money is the issue in our parish.
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This is only a guess but many diocese are trying to make up what was lost in mega lawsuits of the past. The RC is/was deeply in debt to the tune of 2 or 3 billion in lawsuits, lawyers fees, and insurance. This may be were the monies are going.
 
StMarkEofE said:
This is only a guess but many diocese are trying to make up what was lost in mega lawsuits of the past. The RC is/was deeply in debt to the tune of 2 or 3 billion in lawsuits, lawyers fees, and insurance. This may be were the monies are going.
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Well it better not be, if it is our Pastor lied right to our face when he assured us that the lawsuits are being handled by the priests retirement fund and insurance. In all honesty though in a Parish of 4,000 you’re making nearly 40,000 a week in offerings (we have two sometimes even three offerings per Mass). To not offer, child care for Mass, Bible study, RCIA, devotions essentially no programs for the laity is ridiculous. Where is our money going?

It’s a moot point anyway.
 
The Catholic church asks that we give what we can.

The Catholic church does not need 10% for its parishoners because they use their assets more effieciently than the typical Protestant church. Several Masses as opposed to one or two services, no need for an arena-size seating. No Sunday school. Also, we do not have thousands of square feet of building space sitting empty 5 1/2 days a week.
 
Saint_Michael said:
But that’s the thing our parish has over 4,000 people in it, the building is like 80 years old long been paid for. Simple math tells you our parish makes a lot of cash every week. And they offer nothing for parishoners. There’s no RCIA, no Bible studies, they only do one hour of adoration a week. I mean why should I give more, I honestly don’t think money is the issue in our parish.
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In Brooklyn, there should be another parish around the corner. It might be worth your while to check it out.
 
The principles of tithing has not changed. Everything we have belongs to the Lord. It is His command to give back what belongs to Him. God allows us to keep 90% but the Holy Tithe belongs to the Lord. Will you dare to rob God?( Malachi 3;6-11) Jesus said there will be no thieves entering into the kingdom of heaven.:eek: For those that say tithing is gone in the new testament we see in Matt.23;23 Jesus tells the pharisees that they ought to tithe. Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill it.😉
 
IHS said:
The principles of tithing has not changed. Everything we have belongs to the Lord. It is His command to give back what belongs to Him. God allows us to keep 90% but the Holy Tithe belongs to the Lord. Will you dare to rob God?( Malachi 3;6-11) Jesus said there will be no thieves entering into the kingdom of heaven.:eek: For those that say tithing is gone in the new testament we see in Matt.23;23 Jesus tells the pharisees that they ought to tithe. Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill it.😉
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But why do you hold onto this law from the Old Testament but dump not eating pork, Saturday sabbath observances, stoning adulterers etc…?

The Jewish poster said they do not interpret the law of tithe like you just did. They interpret it that all your harvest 10% goes to the Lord but not other offerings.
 
Saint_Michael said:
But why do you hold onto this law from the Old Testament but dump not eating pork, Saturday sabbath observances, stoning adulterers etc…?

The Jewish poster said they do not interpret the law of tithe like you just did. They interpret it that all your harvest 10% goes to the Lord but not other offerings.
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Tithing is mandatory,offerings are not.
 
IHS said:
Tithing is mandatory,offerings are not.
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You didn’t answer my question though, according to an Orthodox Jew the law of tithing was for crops grown not offerings. Plus is you feel tithing is mandatory why is that pretty much the only Old Testament law kept around?
 
Chairty is required because Judaism believes there is a basic human responsiblity to reach out to others. The Torah recommends giving 10 percent. This is derived from the commandment in Deut. 14:22 You shall tithe all the seed crop that the field gives forth, year by year. So while we are commanded to give 10% of the crop, we take from this the recommendation that we give 10% of our income as well. Other examples in Torah: Abraham gave Malki- Tzedek one-tenth of all his possessions (Genesis 14:20); Jacob vowed to give one-tenth of all his future acquisitions to the Almighty (Genesis 29:22);

Additionally, there are mandated tithes to support the Levites (Numbers 18:21, 24) and the poor (Deut. 26:12).

That’s the basics for us.
 
Saint_Michael said:
You didn’t answer my question though, according to an Orthodox Jew the law of tithing was for crops grown not offerings. Plus is you feel tithing is mandatory why is that pretty much the only Old Testament law kept around?
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I am the Lord I change not.(Mal.3;6.) This is not my feelings. This is Gods command. He said it and I believe it.Jesus fulfilled the Law but that doesn,t mean we stop obeying them (10 commandments)
 
Valke2 said:
Chairty is required because Judaism believes there is a basic human responsiblity to reach out to others. The Torah recommends giving 10 percent. This is derived from the commandment in Deut. 14:22 You shall tithe all the seed crop that the field gives forth, year by year. So while we are commanded to give 10% of the crop, we take from this the recommendation that we give 10% of our income as well. Other examples in Torah: Abraham gave Malki- Tzedek one-tenth of all his possessions (Genesis 14:20); Jacob vowed to give one-tenth of all his future acquisitions to the Almighty (Genesis 29:22);

Additionally, there are mandated tithes to support the Levites (Numbers 18:21, 24) and the poor (Deut. 26:12).

That’s the basics for us.
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Isn,t it amazing that Abraham tithed 600 years before the tithe was instititued.
 
IHS said:
I am the Lord I change not.(Mal.3;6.) This is not my feelings. This is Gods command. He said it and I believe it.Jesus fulfilled the Law but that doesn,t mean we stop obeying them (10 commandments)
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Tithing isn’t a ten commandment, you’re not making sense in your argument as to why tithing is mandatory. You worship on Sunday right? Do you eat pork? How does that fit into "I am the Lord I change not. (Mal.3:6)?

You need a better argument I think because I can’t get on board the one you’re using at all. You are clearly picking and choosing which OT laws you will obey or feel are mandatory.
 
Saint_Michael said:
Tithing isn’t a ten commandment, you’re not making sense in your argument as to why tithing is mandatory. You worship on Sunday right? Do you eat pork? How does that fit into "I am the Lord I change not. (Mal.3:6)?

You need a better argument I think because I can’t get on board the one you’re using at all. You are clearly picking and choosing which OT laws you will obey or feel are mandatory.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. Gods commandments(moral law) do not change.Jesus said if you love me you will obey me and that includes the commandments. Jesus clearly says that you ought to tithe. If you choose not to you miss out on the blessings.
 
I’m not allowed to tithe or give to charity, as I’m a minor and must obey my parents.
 
Jeanette_L said:
I thought that the Catholic Church didn’t teach that tithing was part of the New Covenant mandate?

The tithe is found in the Old Testament, and the Israelites were to give 10% of all their harvest, livestock… income, to the temple. I’ve also heard that this was a national tax as well as religious tax, all rolled into one.

I think it was St. Paul who taught that each person should give as they could, the wealthy should give much more, the poor as they could. It was no longer a percentage mandate.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, since I am a new Catholic, but I’m sure I’ve heard this discussed.
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You are right! However, 10% is talked about more and more in our churches…not as a mandate, but as a “goal”… something to work our way too…

For instance where I am we are encourage to do 10% of our income. However not all of tithe goes to the Church. For us it’s 1%-Diosoeces 5%- parish and 4% to other charities…add the numbers and you get 10%.

Every year there is a time, talent, treasure drive. This last weekend was our drive. We are encourage to sign up for the same things we did in the past, such as lecturing, or grounds keeping, teaching religious ed, visit the sick etc but we are also encourage to find more time to do something more then the year before. (Which covers time/talent) We also are told to prayerfully look over our home budgets and see if we can financially give more then the year before. (Which covers our treasure)

If you are a family that is bless and already doing 10% you are still encourage to do more.

If you are a family that have a hard time rubbing 2 pennies together you are encourage to do something even if it’s only 1 penny per week 🙂

If you ready Mark 12: 42-44 you will see it doesn’t matter how much it is…all it matter is that it goes just beyond your “surplus”. Meaning it has to a “real” giving of self. That’s why every year, we are encourage to look at our budget and try to do a little bit more. It doesn’t matter if that ends up being $0.50 more per week, or $0.10 more per week or $3.00 more per week then the year before.

All that matter is that you give and that giving is a “real sacrifice” like the widow in Mark 12:42-44

Why look at what you are doing every year?? Simple most people have steady jobs and get some kind of pay raise per year. If you are earning more money now then last year, you should be giving more. Also, family grow children may not need you as much, so you may find you have more “time” to do other thing.
 
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