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Singinbeauty
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As a protestant I have been doing some thinking on Tithing and what is required of me. What I have been discovering is it’s not necessarily the AMOUNT you give but the fact that you trust God in giving. To tell God ‘I just can’t afford it’ tells Him that you don’t trust Him to take care of your financial needs. God doesn’t NEED your money. He can do all things without a penny. People need food? God doesn’t go out and work for 40 hrs just to get a paycheck so He can go to the grocery store and pay for that food. He provides it in His time and at His will. He could snap His fingers and food would just appear from no where. What He does need from you is the faith that if you give Him back what He has provided to you that He will take care of your needs. He is asking you to Trust that He will provide for you.
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Valke2
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Tithing is not one of the 10 commandments. And that doesn’t answer the question about the rest of the commandments. If Jesus fulfilling the Law, as you believe, doesn’t mean you stop obeying the law, then why do you not follow all the commandments in the Torah? Such as circumcision? I can see not following the laws as set forth in the Talmud, but the biblical commandments are another matter.
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Valke2
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Just read this after my last post. I don’t agree with the explanation, but its an explanation. Since there was a real dispute as to whether non-Jewish followers of Jesus would be requried to accept ALL the laws of Torah, including circumcision, Kashrut, etc., and this dispute was after his death, It seems that those who knew Jesus best – i.e., when he was alive, were not clear that only the moral laws should be followed, which is another way of saying Torah and the covenant should be abandoned. That this was done seems to be contrary to what Jesus wanted.
The laws Jesus seemed to protest against were almost exculsively those set forth in Talmud. He never abandoned the commandments that were clearly set forth in Torah. FOr example, although he allowed gathering of food on Shabbat (breaking a prohibition set forth in Talmud), he did (I assume) obey the commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (the commandment set forth in Torah). If you take Paul out of the equation, nothing about Jesus suggests he ever intended to abandon the biblical commandments, including circumcision.
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happygal
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Crops is your procession rite? during the olden days crops are exchange for their foods or even house. So when comes to modern days, does everyone have crops?? No, so where shall this tithing comes from, our income, because income buy us food and house!!
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Valke2
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But even in biblical times, many jews were not farmers. The commandent of giving 10% of their crops would not affect them.
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Saint Michael
I think they are so confusion here, tithing is not a ten commandment, but is our commandment to God, We can give without loving, but we cannot love without giving. We can proclaim how much we love Jesus, how we are obedience to him, yet when comes to giving money back to him. BINGO!!! our thoughts will start to tell us a different thing. Tithing is one thing about how we can demonstrate we can offer back to him from our heart (typically those who are financially sound) since God is the one who give us everything. It is how proactive we are in serving our tithe then being having someone to push you around to do it. If you love God whole heartedly do you grumble in giving back to him at that 10% if you can afford (they are some who gave up their higly paid job to serve the lord, they are those who are highly educated who can earn big bucks yet give that all up to serve the Lord, why becoz they really wanted to serve him and give up all their earthly stuff just to follow him) So ask ourselve this question, if our parish/church never ask for a 5% and 6% offering to serve the needy and help runs the church, how many human being by nature can give willingly ?? We are all humans and more or less have greed in us when comes to money.
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Saint_Michael
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I’m not anti-tithing or anti-giving, I give till it hurts myself. What I’m saying is we can’t say eating kosher, circumcision, Sunday sabbath etc… Are no longer laws because Jesus fulfilled them but act like tithing is. There is a need for consistency in teaching, keeping tithing from the Old Testament even though it was never said to be kept in the New Testament is not consistent at all.
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IHS
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I pointed out to you Matthew 23;23.,where Jesus tells the pharisees that they out to tithe. That my friend is in the New Testament.
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Valke2
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Matthew 23:23 does not tell the Pharisees to tithe. In fact, it criticizes them for tithing, apparently because they do so but disregard law, judgment and mercy. (It is interesting that he critcizes them for not paying attention to the law.).I pointed out to you Matthew 23;23.,where Jesus tells the pharisees that they out to tithe. That my friend is in the New Testament.
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Saint_Michael
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That’s what I got out of it too, Jesus clearly reprimands the pharisees for being hypocrites and tithing but disregarding the other laws that as Jews they are under.
It should be noted Christ had not died yet, and the pharisees were Jews so they would be under the law ALL the laws. As Christians we believe the Holy Spirit guided the Church into truth and Paul clearly stated we are not of the Law anymore aside from the moral law. I.E. gentiles don’t need to be circumsized etc… Paul even rebukes Peter for this very mistake.
I don’t think Matthew 23:23 goes very far in stating why tithing is mandatory but all the laws aren’t (in fact it’s a great argument against that stance), I think IHS interpretation of the passage is faulty when looking at the entire New Testament and the idea that Jesus fulfilled the Law.
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StMarkEofE
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Unless Im mistaken, Tithing is only mentioned once by Luke and once by Matthew. Tithing had more weight in the OT. The OT mentions Tithing 18 times vs. two in the NT. I dont know if this means anything but I guess if the OT had mentioned it as many times as it did then there may have been no need to emphasise it in the NT as much.
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Sufi
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Hello Catholics
Why do many Chruches put these offerings to there personal use and some preachers even boast about their cars and homes etc. Allah is for the poor as I have read in the Bible. Why do some Christian leaders teach their masses to become rich? I also see a lot of panflits on ways to become rich. Also why does 5 different offerings get collected in one sermon? Where does all this money go if within a year the chruch still looks like Shacks?
Why do many Chruches put these offerings to there personal use and some preachers even boast about their cars and homes etc. Allah is for the poor as I have read in the Bible. Why do some Christian leaders teach their masses to become rich? I also see a lot of panflits on ways to become rich. Also why does 5 different offerings get collected in one sermon? Where does all this money go if within a year the chruch still looks like Shacks?
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Saint_Michael
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Maybe it goes to giving 100 times more than all the Muslim nations combined during the tsunami relief effort?
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StMarkEofE
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I dont think you will find 4 or 5 collections each and every Sunday but you may find this on special occassions like the ones mentioned previously. We have a charities collection once a month, and a special collection for parishes that arent doing so well financially and the like. The most weve ever had was three collections in one day.
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Sufi
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I doubt that. The ministers I’m talking about are a handful. Don’t have jobs, yet their mortage and car note is being paid and their waldrob is fully non vacant with brand named suits, fresh off the clothing rack in the most expensive clothing store store and they brag that God has blessed them.
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Sufi
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I visit chruches regularly brother. I’m not talking what I think. I’m talking what I have experienced.
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Saint_Michael
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Catholic priests have the education equivalent of doctors and lawyers, yet make less than garbage men, it’s hard to say they’re being over compensated.
Fact is the Catholic Church gives more money to the poor and downtrodden than any organization on the planet.
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Sufi
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Are you speaking for all? As far as my knowledge extends, the Catholic religion is the wealthiest out of all others. If they are giving to charity. How is this so?
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Saint_Michael
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Much of their wealth resides in art, historical documents of which there is no real market. Can the Vatican sell the sistine chapel? They have money but also 1.2 billion Catholics to lead, millions of Churches to upkeep it’s no small task.
Anyway the two aren’t mutually exclusive, you can have money and give to the poor too. Look it up Catholic charities is the largest in the world. In NYC it’s no question where the poor get their food and clothing from.
The great mosque must cost a pretty penny…
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