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Contarini
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Indeed–even in a supposedly free society, bigots and bullies are very good at shutting down speech they don’t happen to like.
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adstrinity
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I do not know if I’m going to Hell let alone anybody else, but, let it be known, you leave God and die without him, you may not know Him for eternity. Why risk it?
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Little_Mary
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I have not read this entire thread as it is pretty lengthy, but I did read the first few posts and felt compelled to comment.
Regarding the episode where a Catholic converts to islam to marry his fiance…as a Catholic, it is never good news for me to hear that anyone leaves the Catholic faith and all it has to offer; however, in a broader sense, this man is turning his back on Jesus, his Saviour.
How can anyone do that who claims to know Jesus? How can anyone who claims to be a christian wake up one day and renounce Jesus Christ? Hint: Maybe they never really knew Jesus.
Which leads me to another early comment about Catholics not being well catechized for the last 3 or so generations. I agree with that. But as much as it may be any christian church’s reponsibility to teach, it is the individual’s responsibility to learn. Again, Catholic or not, to be able to turn one’s back on your Saviour, Our Lord Jesus Christ, I am thinking that maybe one never really knew Him in the first place.
Just my two cents.
Regarding the episode where a Catholic converts to islam to marry his fiance…as a Catholic, it is never good news for me to hear that anyone leaves the Catholic faith and all it has to offer; however, in a broader sense, this man is turning his back on Jesus, his Saviour.
How can anyone do that who claims to know Jesus? How can anyone who claims to be a christian wake up one day and renounce Jesus Christ? Hint: Maybe they never really knew Jesus.
Which leads me to another early comment about Catholics not being well catechized for the last 3 or so generations. I agree with that. But as much as it may be any christian church’s reponsibility to teach, it is the individual’s responsibility to learn. Again, Catholic or not, to be able to turn one’s back on your Saviour, Our Lord Jesus Christ, I am thinking that maybe one never really knew Him in the first place.
Just my two cents.
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Crdl2Grv
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Look, lady, I’m not the one converting from Catholicism. Check out my screen name - I’m in it for the duration. I’m just saying that if 1) you admittedly haven’t even seen one single minute of the show we’re talking about and 2) you haven’t read anything in the thread beyond “the first few posts” then maybe, just maybe, you ought to take a few moments before you start firing off warnings about eternal hellfire. Especially when you’re advocating that everyone get a little “perspective.”
Here’s some perspective: You know nothing about this guy, beyond what you read in “the first few posts” of this thread. You know nothing about how he was raised and whether or not he was properly catechized. You know nothing about how his journey in this life will end. And yet, you’re completely comfortable with detailing exactly what will happen to him in the afterlife ("In Hell, the first pain will be…).
To paraphrase the ending of your first post: And people wonder why the secular world sees religious people as grim-faced, joyless critics, standing with arms crossed just waiting to pass judgement on everything they see.
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adstrinity
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First off, thank you for calling me, “lady”!!!
So few people realize I am female.Second, Stop taking this personally. I’m not saying anything about you, I’m not saying anything about this guy, I’m saying what is true when one deserts Our Lord.
Third, I thought I mentioned that in my first post, that I don’t know how well this person was catechized, may God have mercy on his soul.
I am completely comfortable in regaling what the tortures of Hell will be for all. THE FIRST PAIN OF HELL WILL BE ETERNAL SEPARATION FROM GOD AND LOSS OF THE BEATIFIC VISION. This is what the Church teaches. It would be well that all rememeber that.
Did I not ask we pray for him? I shall not condone heresy.
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schaick
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Does Revelations tell us to fight, kill all non-christians?
In the Old Testament the violence killing ordered by GOD was against a specific people for a specific reason, at a specific time. GOD is shown sparing people if even a few among the evil could be considered righteous.
In the Quran violence for all non-muslims is for all times. In fact the only sure way a Muslim can enter paradise is to fight and kill for allah.
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MissRose73
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The show does show several different Muslim families with various degrees of beliefs & cultural practices. That I do like to see.
I do not agree with most of what Islam teaches regarding the rights of women among other things. I read too many things about females often considered second class citizens. I could never live in a way where a man can dictate to me how I must behave & how I dress among other things. I do like they have tenets of faith to pray and give to charity like we should all try to do regardless of religious beliefs.
I would never convert to another faith to get married but that is my opinion. I am too much into my Catholic faith to ever go to something else. I would sooner stay single if I had to convert to another faith for marriage.
I do not agree with most of what Islam teaches regarding the rights of women among other things. I read too many things about females often considered second class citizens. I could never live in a way where a man can dictate to me how I must behave & how I dress among other things. I do like they have tenets of faith to pray and give to charity like we should all try to do regardless of religious beliefs.
I would never convert to another faith to get married but that is my opinion. I am too much into my Catholic faith to ever go to something else. I would sooner stay single if I had to convert to another faith for marriage.
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Contarini
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No. But it could be interpreted that way.
But with far more limits than in the OT. No Muslim text, for instance, orders the killing of women and children–in fact they pretty consistently condemn it.
You missed my point, which is simply that you can’t set up a simple contrast between Jesus and Muhammad and declare Christianity superior. Of course the scriptural/traditional basis for violence is different in the two religions. And it’s certainly harder to be a pacifist Muslim than a pacifist Christian. However, most folks criticizing Islam for its violence don’t seem to be pacifists themselves
, so that’s hardly a relevant point of comparison.Edwin
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Publisher
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I saw the episode on Xfinity the other night…watched two episodes…the conversion of the gentleman was preceeded with study and prayer…it should be no shame that Islam may have resonated with him spiritually…he was sincere in his devotion from what I watched…he was trying to keep the fast at Rammadan…the coach of the football team found away around the “fast” for hist largely in the majority Muslim football team to go to the championships…
I was stricken by the Muslim police officer…the older officer who was recounting some the things “Christians” were saying to the Muslims on their Arab Community Festival…made him cringe…that “Christians” would say such offensive things to a people seeking to celebrate their Arab culture with the joining in American society…
There are some powerful moments of devotion…the sister who is contemplating putting on the hajib again after many years of not wearing it.
I had read of the proclamation that one believes in Allah as the Only God and Muhammed as his prophet…and one was Muslim…the “conversion” was as simple as speaking the “Creed of Islam”. He spoke the words in front of his family and an Iman and declared Muslim.
I was stricken by the Muslim police officer…the older officer who was recounting some the things “Christians” were saying to the Muslims on their Arab Community Festival…made him cringe…that “Christians” would say such offensive things to a people seeking to celebrate their Arab culture with the joining in American society…
There are some powerful moments of devotion…the sister who is contemplating putting on the hajib again after many years of not wearing it.
I had read of the proclamation that one believes in Allah as the Only God and Muhammed as his prophet…and one was Muslim…the “conversion” was as simple as speaking the “Creed of Islam”. He spoke the words in front of his family and an Iman and declared Muslim.
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chrisb
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Hear, Hear!
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Pink_Elephants
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I used to think that no one could top the Kate Gosselin haters calling for a TLC boycott simply because they don’t like the way she raises her own children, but you just proved me wrong. Your call for a TLC boycott because they aired a man converting to Islam is the height of absurdity. There are legitimate reasons why some viewers choose to boycott TLC or certain TLC shows (most notably Toddlers and Tiaras, Duggars, and the now cancelled Kate Plus 8), but your reason is not one of them.
BTW, by bringing the show up you have just given it free advertising, and I’m sure the suits at TLC are grateful for that. My advice for you is simple, don’t watch the show if it offends you
To answer your question at the end, I like the show so far, and will continue to watch it until I lose interest.In general I do agree, and that would be a legtimate reason to boycott the channel
The lack of high quality educational programs on TLC is sad knowing what type of programming the channel originally aired. What *exactly *is the viewer learning when watching Toddlers and Tiaras, the Duggars, or Cake Boss?
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schaick
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A problem with the Quran is how vague it is- what is mischief, what is excesses in the land? Something funny along with the abrogation verse of something better being revealed later–people say the following about Islam but note that it was given to the Jews, not Muslims!:No. But it could be interpreted that way.
But with far more limits than in the OT. No Muslim text, for instance, orders the killing of women and children–in fact they pretty consistently condemn it.
You missed my point, which is simply that you can’t set up a simple contrast between Jesus and Muhammad and declare Christianity superior. Of course the scriptural/traditional basis for violence is different in the two religions. And it’s certainly harder to be a pacifist Muslim than a pacifist Christian. However, most folks criticizing Islam for its violence don’t seem to be pacifists themselves
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005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
The teachings of Christianity are better then Islam all the way around.
Look at the morality of Mohammad and compare that to Jesus. Add to that Christians are to be like Jesus, Muslims like Mohammad.
Mohammad was sexually attracted to his son’s wife. Make up a revelation about it. Mohammad was sick.
Look at the witnesses of the miracles, Scripture of the Bible. There were no witnesses, no miracles surrounding the supposed revelation of the Quran. Mohammad was a self proclaimed prophet.
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glamourdollxoxo
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I actually like the show and how they show families of varying degrees of the Muslim faith. My favorite part was regarding the football team and how they managed to practice with rammadan. If this show offends you so much than don’t watch it. You have extremsists in every religion including Christianity so this notion that the evil muslims are runing everything that is American and holy is backwards. America is the land of the free including freedom of religion not just for Christians but for all.
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dorrbell
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He can do what he wants cant he? It is his life and he wanted to be with the woman he loves so he changed for her. People do this all the time.
I wouldnt change my religion for anyone. I love the sacraments to much.
And did you notice how easy it was to convert? All he did was mutter a few words in Arabic. Or whatever. He didnt take any classes or anything. So he did blindly go into this religion.
Which is odd.
But this is no reason for you to stop watching The Learning Channel.
I wouldnt change my religion for anyone. I love the sacraments to much.
And did you notice how easy it was to convert? All he did was mutter a few words in Arabic. Or whatever. He didnt take any classes or anything. So he did blindly go into this religion.
Which is odd.
But this is no reason for you to stop watching The Learning Channel.
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bhshockeymom62
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You really need to do some research to see what true Islam teaches. The problem with this show that it is propaganda and white washing Islam. What these families are practising is not the true Islam. I suggest that you need to do some research. There is a really good website called “Answering Muslims”. The Koran teaches to hate and kill non muslims, the Bible does not teach hate. It teaches to love our enemies. The true God of the Bible teaches us that God loves us so much he came to earth from heaven to die and pay the price for our sin. It does not teach hate.
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bhshockeymom62
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It is different when a christian just changes to a different denomination of christianity. But to leave the true faith and join a false one. Good I am so glad that you would not leave christianity. Did you know that in Islam the man can marry outside Islam and that person does not have to make the woman change her faith but for a muslim woman the man she is marrying MUST change to Islam before they can get married.
It was easy for him to change because maybe he thinks all religions lead to God (which they don’t). Maybe they don’t have classes because Islam does not want people to question but they want people to blindly convert. He converted because love for the woman was stronger than his love for Jesus.
The reason why many people want the show banned is because it is white washing Islam and is propagnada. You already think that the show is OK. Again do some research into the true Islam.
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bhshockeymom62
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Answering Muslims does not give out false information. David has a very good video about 20/20 show. David does not TWIST anything.
I did go and take a look at Answering Christianity and whoever put it up twists everything on his website.
OK go and pick up a koran and read it and tell me that it is a not a book of hate.
I did go and take a look at Answering Christianity and whoever put it up twists everything on his website.
OK go and pick up a koran and read it and tell me that it is a not a book of hate.
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