TLM on EWTN

[Jimbo2]

I don’t think it matters who is appointed Bishop of Birmingham - as far as I can tell, there is no pro-TLM group within EWTN itself, the network.

When asked, they always want to change the subject.

Personally, I don’t see this as neccessarily a bad thing at the moment. I think some people are giving the American laity far too much credit (many of them would finally have reason to believe what their pastors already tell them - that EWTN is schismatic!).

If I have read the situation correctly, the people who run EWTN want to be able to more easily appeal to people who are poorly catechized and hold some very wrong ideas. A TLM might be too much for their poor underfed souls - I think that is the official position, as close as I can discern it.

 

[mtr01]

Oh really, when did they start?

All the masses I have been to there have been NO, but lots of Latin and ad orientem.

BTW, Miss Bonnie and I are going to the 1000 Mass there in the lower church, to avoid the bi-weekly guitar mass at our parish.

I think I was a little imprecise with my words. I believe that the private Mass for the sisters is the TLM. However, once the MP goes into effect, I suspect they all will be.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I don’t think it matters who is appointed Bishop of Birmingham - as far as I can tell, there is no pro-TLM group within EWTN itself, the network.

When asked, they always want to change the subject.

I disagree, just imagine, even if it is pure fantasy, that a pro TLM bishop was appointed. He could easily request a TLM, and he has the means to get it done. Just imagine his weekly column in the local Catholic paper with the words “I have asked EWTN to broadcast a TLM for Christmas at the Birmingham cathedral”…the ball would then be in EWTN’s court and at that point!

Personally, I don’t see this as neccessarily a bad thing at the moment. I think some people are giving the American laity far too much credit (many of them would finally have reason to believe what their pastors already tell them - that EWTN is schismatic!).

What? EWTN is schismatic? Are you saying it is or it isnt? Catholic Answers Live is on EWTN as other shows like Journey Home, World Over, Daily Mass, etc.

If I have read the situation correctly, the people who run EWTN want to be able to more easily appeal to people who are poorly catechized and hold some very wrong ideas. A TLM might be too much for their poor underfed souls - I think that is the official position, as close as I can discern it.

I agree with this…I think it is a combination of people on EWTN wanting to appeal to a broad audience (ie likely poorly catechized) but also they dont know how to make EWTN better (ie wrong ideas).

That being said, it is very clear to me that many famous people at EWTN want the TLM and a harder line on catechesis. It is very clear Raymond Arroyo is very very excited about the Motu Proprio and has talked about it multiple times on his show, also Marcus Grodi drops hints all the time how he likes the more traditional stuff. I bet many of the priests who are at the daily televised mass would like the TLM as well.

 

[Jimbo2]

*What? EWTN is schismatic? Are you saying it is or it isnt? Catholic Answers Live is on EWTN as other shows like Journey Home, World Over, Daily Mass, etc. *

Of course it isn’t. I’m saying that I doubt EWTN will start broadcasting TLMs because lay people around the world will not understand.

The pastor at the parish I used to work at, and the pastors at the surrounding parishes, as an example, tell people that EWTN is run by schismatic traditionalists. I think that if EWTN began airing the TLM, it would give ammunition to these kinds of dishonest anti-EWTN people (of whom there are many).

 

[Jimbo2]

That being said, it is very clear to me that many famous people at EWTN want the TLM and a harder line on catechesis. It is very clear Raymond Arroyo is very very excited about the Motu Proprio and has talked about it multiple times on his show, also Marcus Grodi drops hints all the time how he likes the more traditional stuff. I bet many of the priests who are at the daily televised mass would like the TLM as well.

Raymond could get excited about grass growing. Sometimes I think he’s high on air.

Marcus likes “more traditional” stuff, yes, but compared to typical craziness in the diocese, “more traditional” does not (for the vast majority of conservative Catholics) mean the TLM.

I’m not sure anyone knows what Steltemeyer thinks about liturgy, that would be important to know. Fr. Pacwa, being Maronite Rite, doesn’t really get involved in TLM politics. I’ve been to several of his NO Masses, and he’s pretty happy with any approved Rite of the Church and tries to stay away from liturgical controversy except to insist on priests following the rubrics. He’s good friends w/ Fr. Fessio, who is a well-known LNO proponent.

I just don’t see any real pro-TLM people at the network. And, again, I think that makes sense for the role EWTN has played (very well) in the continuing restoration of the Church.

 

[Ignatius]

Forgive me if this has been asked already, but I noticed this while going over some old threads:

Setting aside the “hostile” part, has anyone heard if there are plans for EWTN to televise the TLM? IIRC, the sisters were granted permission to celebrate the TLM in Hanceville, but just couldn’t televise it. Now that the MP has been released is there any word on the television restriction being lifted (I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t be now)? I would suspect they would be chomping at the bit to televise their TLM the day the MP goes into effect.

What a great idea. God Bless you .

 

[Manfred]

Rolltide has it, altho Bishop Foley’s edict (described in detail in Raymond Arroyo’s bio of Mother Angelica) was actually on televising “ad orientem” masses, which, of course, would include TLM masses. Pray for Benedict XVI to name (and soon) a bishop who thinks like he does.

I might beg to differ; restrictions re ad orientem or versus populum apply to the Novus Ordo, NOT the TLM.

The rubrics for the TLM are rather clear re the 'orientation" of the altar and the priest. (Please, let’s not get into what was the case in certain Roman basilicas, OK?)

Another poster mentioned that the priests at EWTN are a religious order (Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word) who could just decide they want to celebrate a TLM for their daily Mass. Bishop/Diocesan Administrator Foley would be wise not to interfere here.

 

[DaveBj]

I might beg to differ; restrictions re ad orientem or versus populum apply to the Novus Ordo, NOT the TLM.

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You have a point. When the restriction was promulgated, there was not (and still is not) an indult for TLM anywhere in the diocese. So that question would not have entered into the question of a restriction on the televising of NO masses.

 

[PKinsale]

One of the battles discussed in Mother Angelica’s bio was the way Bishop Foley changed his mind and ordered them to stop the ad orientem Mass. At first, he wanted it stopped altogether. Rome would not allow it. The compromise was that it would not be televised, a rule that was broken once only, according to the bio, for the celebration of EWTN’s 20th anniversary.

The Diocese of Birmingham. because of EWTN, is of far more importance than one would think according to the usual factors. I hope they get a good bishop soon!

 

[Manfred]

I’m not sure anyone knows what Steltemeyer thinks about liturgy, that would be important to know. Fr. Pacwa, being Maronite Rite, doesn’t really get involved in TLM politics. I’ve been to several of his NO Masses, and he’s pretty happy with any approved Rite of the Church and tries to stay away from liturgical controversy except to insist on priests following the rubrics. He’s good friends w/ Fr. Fessio, who is a well-known LNO proponent.

I just don’t see any real pro-TLM people at the network.*

There’s Father George Rutler, who I believe offers the TLM at his parish in NYC. He’d be our only hope.

 

[DaveBj]

The Diocese of Birmingham. because of EWTN, is of far more importance than one would think according to the usual factors. I hope they get a good bishop soon!

I’ve mentioned in another thread that I would love to see Fr. Corapi become our bishop. I know, it’s a fantasy, but I can dream (and )

 

[Jimbo2]

I think Fr. Corapi would instantly be one of the best Bishops in the world. I truly wish such a thing would happen.

 

[dalesmom]

I wish Fr. Groeshel were alot younger and he could be our bishop.He’s pretty cool!

 

[thedavidwilson]

Bishop Foley and EWTN have had issues (fairly significant ones, apparently) over this matter in the past. It had been the bishop’s position that EWTN was not to televise TLM Masses. Now, perhaps that position will change in the future, but nothing can change for the time being. The new problem is that the Diocese of Birmingham has been without a bishop for two years, since Bishop Foley retired and then JPII died before naming a successor. The issue has still not been dealt with, so all of Bishop Foley’s policies remain in effect until a new bishop is named.

Interesting We should pray that the current Pope will appoint a Bishop who is friendly to TLM. Having the TLM on EWTN would be a great evangelization tool (even for Catholics). I have noticed more latin sneeking into the daily mass at EWTN over time. It sure seems the folks at EWTN are going more traditional.

 

[thedavidwilson]

I think Fr. Corapi would instantly be one of the best Bishops in the world. I truly wish such a thing would happen.

I’m with you man! He is like a modern day St. Augustine. I hear he is stopping his speaking tours this year so he would have the time to be a Bishop. Is he for TLM?

 

[thedavidwilson]

I’ve mentioned in another thread that I would love to see Fr. Corapi become our bishop. I know, it’s a fantasy, but I can dream (and )

Why would it be fantasy? He is a great teacher, solid in his understanding of the faith, takes no **** from no one and use to be a successfully businessman before he became a priest (read a good administrator). I am with you in prayer for this. God bless.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

I would be very suprised - allthough not shocked - if he were named a bishop.

 

[mtr01]

Why would it be fantasy? He is a great teacher, solid in his understanding of the faith, takes no **** from no one and use to be a successfully businessman before he became a priest (read a good administrator). I am with you in prayer for this. God bless.

Hmmm…how much longer before Cardinal Mahoney must resign?

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Hmmm…how much longer before Cardinal Mahoney must resign?

As of today

**It is 1297 days from now or

Or 3 years, 6 months, 17 days.**

Not that I am counting.

Actually, yes, I am counting.

 

[DaveBj]

Why would it be fantasy? He is a great teacher, solid in his understanding of the faith, takes no **** from no one and use to be a successfully businessman before he became a priest (read a good administrator). I am with you in prayer for this. God bless.

Well, it is currently a fantasy, but sometimes my fantasies do come true. It used to be a fantasy that I would retire and move to Alabama, but look where I am now

I fully agree that he has the theological and business chops to run this (or any other) diocese. And he just turned 60, so he would have 15 years to do some good.

Keep praying…“Where two or three agree…”