TLM on EWTN

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Just today received the latest One Voice, the diocesan newspaper of the B’ham Diocese, and it contains Bp. Foley’s statement on the Motu Proprio. I am providing it as a for-what-it’s-worth, and I am providing it in full, because it’t not very long, and it’s not available on-line.
I have received with great joy the Motu Proprio from His Holiness Benedict XVI on July 7, 2007.
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This document is important for two reasons:
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  1. It authenticates that the normative celebration of the eucharist is the Mass of Paul VI.
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  1. And, because of his Holiness’ pastoral concern, he has granted permission for the extraordinary celebration of the Roman Missal promulgated by Blessed John XXIII. This permission is granted for those faithful who have remained attached with such great love and affection to this ancient form [emphasis in original].
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The particulars for making this option available to the faithful are extremely important and must be approached with great pastoral care.
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  1. To celebrate the extra ordinary (sic) form, the Priests of our Diocese must be properly trained and certified.
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  1. Locations must be chosen which most effectively offer this form for the faithful.
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To this end, I am now beginning the processes of asking advice from the College of Priest Consultors and others who will help me in actualizing this important accommodation in the liturgical life of the Diocese. In unity with our Holy Father, I thank you for your patience as we implement his pastoral wishes.
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Most Reverend David E. Foley, D.D.
Diocesan Administrator
Diocese of Birmingham in Alabama
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They are still taking it as the MP is only for those who are “attached to the previous liturgical tradition”.

This was their excuse in the past for not televising the TLM. It appears to be their excuse again.

I hope someone is taking all this stuff down to bring to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei:
  1. No TLM allowed during the Triduum (wrong).
  2. Bishop determines what priests are allowed to celebrate the TLM (wrong).
  3. Priests must be fluent in Latin to celebrate it. (wrong again)
  4. Bishop can prevent the TLM from being broadcast out of his diocese. (Wrong, wrong, wrong. If he is to stop the TLM from being broadcast then he MUST not allow the Novus Ordo to be broadcast either. That is what I say.
Let the PCED decide.

Ken
 
DaveBj said:
Just today received the latest One Voice, the diocesan newspaper of the B’ham Diocese, and it contains Bp. Foley’s statement on the Motu Proprio. I am providing it as a for-what-it’s-worth, and I am providing it in full, because it’t not very long, and it’s not available on-line.

I have received with great joy the Motu Proprio from His Holiness Benedict XVI on July 7, 2007.

This document is important for two reasons:
  1. It authenticates that the normative celebration of the eucharist is the Mass of Paul VI.
  2. And, because of his Holiness’ pastoral concern, he has granted permission for the extraordinary celebration of the Roman Missal promulgated by Blessed John XXIII. This permission is granted for those faithful who have remained attached with such great love and affection to this ancient form [emphasis in original].
The particulars for making this option available to the faithful are extremely important and must be approached with great pastoral care.
  1. To celebrate the extra ordinary (sic) form, the Priests of our Diocese must be properly trained and certified.
  2. Locations must be chosen which most effectively offer this form for the faithful.
To this end, I am now beginning the processes of asking advice from the College of Priest Consultors and others who will help me in actualizing this important accommodation in the liturgical life of the Diocese. In unity with our Holy Father, I thank you for your patience as we implement his pastoral wishes.

Most Reverend David E. Foley, D.D.
Diocesan Administrator
Diocese of Birmingham in Alabama
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“The particulars for making this option available to the faithful are extremely important and must be approached with great pastoral care.”

Translation: we need to drag our feet on this one and I think I can show how.

“To this end, I am now beginning the processes (notice use of the plural here!) of asking advice (which I can always over-rule) from the College of Priest Consultors and others (especially diocesan liturgy coordinators and progressives) who will help me in actualizing (I really want to say ‘atomize’ this before it catches on) this important accommodation (I’m going to be doing you all a favor, you see) in the liturgical life of the Diocese.”
 
I thought I would drop in and give a little bit of information regarding the TLM and Bishop Foley I got from the grapevine recently.

I reside in Birmingham, and I was recently at the local Catholic bookstore slash church supply store, where I chatted briefly with a gentleman who seemed to own the place or be in some other position where he deals frequently with priests.

He mentioned that he’d been talking with some priests from the area who were going off somewhere to learn how to celebrate the TLM. He also said that Bishop Foley was considering holding a TLM at the Cathedral of St. Paul (in downtown Birmingham) once a week.
 
Blackbog, I hope your informant has it right. I don’t know Bp Foley well enough to read between the lines of his statement. I would hope that the message there is, “We’re pedaling as hard as we can to get this thing up and running.” On the other hand, Manfred’s interpretation could be right. I don’t like to be cynical, but sometimes when dealing with “princes” and bureaucracies, cynical is the way to go.
 
Several weeks ago I emailed EWTN and asked if in light of the MP would they, in the near future, would consider offering the extraordinary mass on television.

Here’s the reply I received a day or so later;

Thanks for your e-mail. “As the Church prepares for the implementation on September 14th of the Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum permitting a wider celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of 1962, EWTN will also be considering under what circumstances the universal and particular law might permit the occasional telecast of this extraordinary form of the Latin Rite.”

I know it’s probably not much to add here, but it’s nice to know they say it will be “considered” anyhow.
 
THurifer2 said:
So are you saying that if the holy Father decides to celebrate christmas eve mass at St. Peters in Rome in the extraordinary rite that EWTN could be refused by the local bishop to televise it ?
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Christmas Eve mass from St. Peter’s is broadcast by NBC,
and has been for decades.

I don’t know whether EWTN simulcasts it, but you’d still be able to see it .
 
Tommy_Joe said:
“As the Church prepares for the implementation on September 14th of the Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum permitting a wider celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of 1962, EWTN will also be considering under what circumstances the universal and particular law might permit the occasional telecast of this extraordinary form of the Latin Rite.”
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“will also be considering”; “might permit”; “occasional telecast”;

Oh, yeah, most encouraging, absolutely. :rolleyes:

OTOH, EWTN might just be treading lightly to avoid ticking off Bp. Foley, who, as we’ve observed elsewhere, is “cool”, at best, to the TLM, televised or otherwise.
 
I wish y’all would stop bashing Bishop Foley. You only ASSUME these things that you are saying to be true. You have never had face to face contact with him. I have and he is a great man. Very patient and caring and listens to what his flock wants. Instead of ASSUMING the worst, how about praying for the Bishop while he is trying to make this huge change happen. And while you’re at it, pray for the priests to have an easy time learning the TLM mass.
 
dale(name removed by moderator) said:
I wish y’all would stop bashing Bishop Foley. You only ASSUME these things that you are saying to be true. You have never had face to face contact with him. I have and he is a great man. Very patient and caring and listens to what his flock wants. Instead of ASSUMING the worst, how about praying for the Bishop while he is trying to make this huge change happen. And while you’re at it, pray for the priests to have an easy time learning the TLM mass.
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I just finished reading the bio of Mother Angelica. It would be difficult to be her bishop. He was under a lot of pressure from some of the more heterodox bishops, including Mahony, to make things tough for her. I suggest you take a look at it. He at first wanted to outlaw all *ad orientem *Masses, then just settled on not allowing them to be televised.

While the book may not be the whole story, it offers an interesting perspective.
 
PKinsale said:
I just finished reading the bio of Mother Angelica. It would be difficult to be her bishop. He was under a lot of pressure from some of the more heterodox bishops, including Mahony, to make things tough for her. I suggest you take a look at it. He at first wanted to outlaw all *ad orientem *Masses, then just settled on not allowing them to be televised.

While the book may not be the whole story, it offers an interesting perspective.
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No, it would NOT be difficult to be Mother’s bishop, unless you’re one of Cardinal Mahony’s buddies. You see, Mother blasted Mahony through a very thin screen some years ago over his most unconventional letter to his archdiocese on the Eucharist, and Mahony was determined to wrest control of EWTN away from her. When Foley was appointed “Mother’s” bishop, it was noted by some wags that he was put there to gently reel her in.

Sorry, I’m of the mindset that Foley did side with his and Mahony’s pals and did indeed make life less than grand for Mother. And we have the EWTN televised ad populum Mass to show for it.

I’m sure Fr. Corapi or Fr. George Rutler would have no problem being bishop of Birmingham. Either would stand up to the Mahony party.
 
You have to remember, even tho this is a religion, it is run like a business. Say Mahoney is the president of this branch and Foley is only a VP at his bidding. Alot of us don’t agree with our boss, but have to do certain things to make them happy.
 
Sadly, Fr. Corapi will never be made a bishop.

For better or worse (you decide), one must use political skills to be a bishop, and Fr. Corapi is no politician. He is a soldier!
 
When I said it would be difficult to be Mother Angelica’s bishop, I did not mean it in the way intended. What I meant was that it would require a high degree of orthodoxy and backbone often missing. I’m on her side here …

And I note with pleasure that Birmingham now has such a person.

*The Catholic Diocese of Birmingham will introduce South Carolina BIshop Robert J. Baker as its new bishop-elect this morning in a press conference at 10:30 a.m. at the St. Paul’s Cathedral Life Center.

Pope Benedict XVI has chosen Baker, 63, to fill the job in Alabama, where the diocese includes EWTN, the global Catholic satellite network founded by Mother Angelica.

Baker, a native of Ohio, has close ties to EWTN. He recently was co-author of the book, “When Did We See You, Lord?” with EWTN personality the Rev. Benedict J. Groeschel. *

Source.
 
lepanto said:
Sadly, Fr. Corapi will never be made a bishop.

For better or worse (you decide), one must use political skills to be a bishop, and Fr. Corapi is no politician. He is a soldier!
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In this, thou hast answered rightly.
 
PKinsale said:
When I said it would be difficult to be Mother Angelica’s bishop, I did not mean it in the way intended. What I meant was that it would require a high degree of orthodoxy and backbone often missing. I’m on her side here …
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Yeah, I was hoping that was what you meant, given the context of your thought.
PKinsale said:
*The Catholic Diocese of Birmingham will introduce South Carolina BIshop Robert J. Baker as its new bishop-elect this morning in a press conference at 10:30 a.m. at the St. Paul’s Cathedral Life Center.

Pope Benedict XVI has chosen Baker, 63, to fill the job in Alabama, where the diocese includes EWTN, the global Catholic satellite network founded by Mother Angelica.

Baker, a native of Ohio, has close ties to EWTN. He recently was co-author of the book, “When Did We See You, Lord?” with EWTN personality the Rev. Benedict J. Groeschel. *
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I have not heard of him, but let’s hope he has the orthodoxy and backbone to be “Mother’s bishop”.
 
dale(name removed by moderator) said:
You have to remember, even tho this is a religion, it is run like a business. Say Mahoney is the president of this branch and Foley is only a VP at his bidding. Alot of us don’t agree with our boss, but have to do certain things to make them happy.
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Mahony the “president of (a) branch”??

Where’s a good blast of wind when we need one?? 😃
 
dale(name removed by moderator) said:
You have to remember, even tho this is a religion, it is run like a business. Say Mahoney is the president of this branch and Foley is only a VP at his bidding. Alot of us don’t agree with our boss, but have to do certain things to make them happy.
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Mahony has no line of actual authority over Foley, but he can apparently be a nag, according to the book.
 
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