To all Roman Catholics in exile

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And that perhaps if the Roman Catholic Church has done nothing, they are not worthy of admiration, secular media or no.
And you came to this conclusion based on information they showed you, or didn’t show you, in …the media?

Looking at the media’s current stand on social and moral issues, such as abortion and same sex marriage, do you think they are more favorable to the ACC or RCC?
 
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Looking at the media’s current stand on social and moral issues, such as abortion and same sex marriage, do you think they are more favorable to the ACC or RCC?
Residential Schools were a sad reality in the history of Canada. Many denominations rain the schools at the behest of the federal government. All are guilty of mistreating them and all have been asked to make amends for the wrongs committed. That the media report the facts is important. In this case the CCCB has not lived up to required financial commitment. It’s not up to the media to make them look bad or good for that matter. The RC church has a chance to right a wrong. So far, they have not made adequate reparations - but the Archdiocese of Toronto had no trouble raising over $100,000,000 for its recent capital campaign.
 
I see I didn’t explain my opinion so carefully as I thought I had done. I’m an American. I haven’t seen anything about this matter in the secular media, so they haven’t influenced me either way. Nearly all of what I know about it consists in what I read here. This is the reason why I used the word “if” to phrase my post subjectively. I wished to emphasize that I didn’t know all the facts in the case. After reading the linked article I feel I still don’t know enough to reach a conclusion about the case.That being said, it’s an inescapable fact that the bishops of the Church have richly deserved much of the scorn they have received from the secular media.
 
I appreciate that on this issue the Anglican Church may have offered a response that was better than the response offered by the Catholic Church. As I understand it, the situation is made more complicated by the fact that the residential schools were operated by individual dioceses and religious communities, meaning that many people feel that apologies need to be issued by dioceses and communities rather than by the Church nationally or globally. Some dioceses and communities have been willing to apologise, while others have not. Pope Benedict issued something very close to an apology back in 2009, but Pope Francis is seemingly inexplicably reluctant to travel to Canada to issue a formal apology in person as recommended.

It does seem, however, somewhat disingenuous for you to highlight this one issue when it is clear that you have many reasons to feel a degree of antipathy towards the Catholic Church. You suffered sexual abuse as a seminarian and found the response of the seminary rector to be inadequate. That in itself would seem sufficient reason to explain your feelings towards the Church. Further to this, you were bullied in the Knights of Columbus and again found the Church’s response to be inadequate. Again, it is perfectly understandable that this experience would cause difficulties for your relationship with the Church.

You also highlight a number of disagreements with the Church’s doctrine and discipline, e.g. concerning same-sex partnerships, divorce, clerical celibacy, ordination of women, treatment of laicised priests, the involvement of lay people in Church governance, and use of Latin in the liturgy. I sympathise with a number of these points myself.

It therefore seems that you have more than enough personal reasons and reasons of principle to feel more comfortable in the Anglican Church. It is worth cautioning, however, that both Churches have been affected by child sexual abuse. Within the Anglican Church of Canada the cases of Gordon Nakayama and Ralph Rowe, for example, have been particularly shocking. The Church of England is absolutely awash both with allegations of CSA and with accusations of inadequate responses to it. George Carey himself, head of both the Church of England and the Anglican Communion, personally intervened in the case of Peter Ball, a diocesan bishop, to ensure that he would not face prosecution for crimes that led one victim to take his own life. Another noteworthy case is that of Robert Waddington, dean of Manchester, whose alleged crimes were known to the then archbishop of York, who failed to report them to the police. Another would be that of Trevor Devamanikkam, where no fewer than six bishops (including the archbishop of York) are implicated in the failure to deal adequately with the allegations. Cases from the dioceses of Chichester and Portsmouth, where abuse was particularly widespread and the responses particularly weak, are too numerous to list. Recent cases such as those of Julian Whiting and survivor known only as Gilo have highlighted the inadequacy of damages being paid out by the Church of England. Mr Whiting received only £5,000 after being raped at a Church of England school.
 
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Re #1: Jesus IS the Messiah. This is the constant teaching of Holy Scripture and of the Church.

Re #2: The Church has not changed its teaching in the essentials but it has developed over time.

Re #3: Origen taught that hell was not eternal and he was excommunicated. He repented on his deathbed.
 
I left years ago
I was just being honest disagreed on so many things
The Catholic church has no need to change
We the laity are the ones to take action
And attend a church that we r comfortable with
 
Universal reconciliation is not a heresy historically as far as I know. If Origen was excommunicated for Universal reconciliation, then why wasn’t Gregory of Nyssa? Origen to my knowledge believed in the preexistence of souls, Gregory did not. Both believed in universal reconciliation, however, historically we know it was not a heresy in itself as saints such as Gregory of Nyssa held it and made it through without being declared heretical.

I was talking to a couple of friends who are in Eastern Orthodox seminary who were struggling with the belief that universalism was a heresy for all of Christian history. They simply admitted “a plain reading of the text shows that Gregory was a universalist, but he can’t be because that would mean me and the church have history wrong.”

I can’t debate with that.

For those with little faith, citing an authority they doubt is rarely a strong strategy for evangelizing. I know you are trying to help me and so many others by saying the truth clearly, but you need to cite sources if you are specifically going to convince me. Which is a common thing on this forum, which I am thankful for.
 
For me it was realizing I disagreed with the church on its teaching. I woke up one Sunday morning after months of struggling with the faith and admited to myself what I really thought was true.

I currently
  1. Believe that jesus is not the fortold jewish messiah.
  2. I believe that the church has changed teaching over time.
  3. I believed that eternal hell is unjust and thus contradicts God’s nature.
For me to rejoin the church I’d need to change my mind on those three topics. I hope I will, but I don’t have much hope when it comes down to it.
Your profile says you are Catholic. How can you list yourself as such and believe as you do?
 
Off the top of my head a few reasons.
  1. I forgot to change it.
  2. I still go to mass, receive spiritual direction from my Parish priest and honestly struggle to regain the faith.
  3. The totality of my life is not reflected on a forum on the internet.
  4. I’m lazy.
 
Off the top of my head a few reasons.
  1. I forgot to change it.
  2. I still go to mass, receive spiritual direction from my Parish priest and honestly struggle to regain the faith.
  3. The totality of my life is not reflected on a forum on the internet.
  4. I’m lazy.
I wonder if the person from last week who was trying to figure out how a Catholic can no longer be Catholic is reading this. 🤣

Peace!!!
 
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