To Be in Heaven, You Must Be Catholic

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Izdaari said:
No, Steve, I don’t think so. I’ve explained what my position is and why, and I think that’s enough for now. Though I do know a little about those issues, I’m not up for a big debate about it, particularly since I’m sure they’ve all been hashed and rehashed here many times before, and I could not possibly contribute anything new.
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Okay. But don’t underestimate our ability to contribute something new to YOU! 😛
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
We seem to be disagreeing essentially over what the definition of Catholic is. I view it as meaning universal. I am part of the Church of England which is part of the One, Holy, Catholic Church. I don’t describe myself as catholic, I am Catholic, I am reformed, I am Anglican, I am Christian.
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And when someone stops you on the street to ask directions to the Catholic Church, where do you direct them? To the Anglican Church?
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
Again, the differences between the Catholic church and other churches are slim, especially the Church of England and Anglican Communion. As an Anglican I have had access to valid sacraments and made use of them. I am trying to become the person he created me to be and wants me to become.

The assumption that Anglicans aren’t catholic is a falsehood. As I posted previously Anglicans and the Church of England view themselves as both Catholic and Reformed. The Church of England may not be Catholic in the sense it answers to the Holy See, but it is Catholic as it is part of the universal church established by Jesus himself.
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Whether or not one is Catholic is not dependent upon how they view themselves, but whether or not they believe all that the Catholic Church teaches and holds to be true.

The Anglican Church is part of the body of believers that divided from the Church established by Jesus himself and is therefore not Catholic, which is why you call yourselves Anglican. If you want to be Catholic then why don’t you just become Catholic?
 
If you are Anglican then your faith has split from ours, you can come home to the fullness of ours though if you decide to. I would ask you to please come home to the one and still the same faith that was seperated by King Henry the VIII in the 16th century. But your understanding is not quite what the Catholic church we are speaking of is, we are speaking of the Roman Catholic Church that is still the one church as it always was. We welcome your preists into our church and they can make the move easily, we also welcome the followers but all have to come in and learn what it truly means to be Catholic. Speak to a priest and he will guide you into the true meaning and clear it up for you.🙂
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I can understand why it might be difficult for an atheist to enter heaven. But things are surely different with a Christian who just happens to belong to a different denomination, aren’t they?
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KingdomofGod,

Atheist frankly reject both Jesus Christ and His Only Holy Catholic Church. Non Catholic Christian believe in Jesus Christ however reject His One Holy Catholic Church. Yes, if you are not in full communion with the Holy See, then you are rejecting the Catholic Church.

Atheists and Non Catholics Christian do have one thing in common both reject the only Church Jesus Christ established, over 2000 years ago. You must agree that it is sad story to have anything in common with atheists points of view 😦

No man can not separate Jesus Christ and His Church, both Jesus Christ and His One Catholic Church are inseparable.

Ufam Tobie
 
SteveVH said:
So, yes, an Atheist is going to have a much more difficult time than a non-Catholic Christian because they have rejected God outright. The non-Catholic Christian has to deal with the fact of attaining salvation outside of the normal means that God provided.
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You really think your God would care if someone rejected him?
 
cerad2 said:
You really think your God would care if someone rejected him?
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Very much. No one is more grieved by a soul going to hell than is God. His will is that we live with him as sons and daughters for eternity. When one rejects his will they have chosen a life apart from him and he respects their choice and does not interfere.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I can understand why it might be difficult for an atheist to enter heaven. But things are surely different with a Christian who just happens to belong to a different denomination, aren’t they?
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But the atheist will tell you the very same thing you are telling Catholics: I don’t think a God who is love is going to send anyone to hell for believing differently than you do.

If you want to be consistent, either you have to agree with him, and say that the atheist can go to heaven believing what he does…

OR…

You have to say, “Sir, truth matters. And to the degree that you embrace the Truth is the degree that you are saved.”

Which means…

that some Protestants who have not embraced the fullness of Truth may not be saved.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
We seem to be disagreeing essentially over what the definition of Catholic is. I view it as meaning universal. I am part of the Church of England which is part of the One, Holy, Catholic Church. I don’t describe myself as catholic, I am Catholic, I am reformed, I am Anglican, I am Christian.
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Yep. Everyone wants to claim the name of Catholic.

Yet when a stranger comes to your town and asks where the nearest Catholic church is, we all know to which church he will be directed. (Paraphrasing St. Augustine).

At least, if one is not being disingenuous.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I find is odd that some Catholics don’t quote Pope Francis’ announcement that non-Catholic human beings are not excluded from heaven, even atheists who do good works.

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/08/25/pope_francis:_you_are_not_excluded!/en1-722638
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I don’t think you have been reading this thread very carefully.

We Catholics have all been saying exactly what Pope Francis has said: non-Catholics are not excluded from heaven. Even atheists can get to heaven.

But if they are in heaven, it is because they have embraced Christ and His Church.

Everyone in heaven is therefore Catholic.

Even if they started out as an atheist, Baptist, Muslim or Baha’i.
 
PRmerger said:
I don’t think you have been reading this thread very carefully.

We Catholics have all been saying exactly what Pope Francis has said: non-Catholics are not excluded from heaven. Even atheists can get to heaven.

But if they are in heaven, it is because they have embraced Christ and His Church.

Everyone in heaven is therefore Catholic.

Even if they started out as an atheist, Baptist, Muslim or Baha’i.
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You are using the word “catholic” to mean human being. A bit far-fetched.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I can understand why it might be difficult for an atheist to enter heaven. But things are surely different with a Christian who just happens to belong to a different denomination, aren’t they?
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What if the atheist just happened to be born into an atheist family; would that make his errors less wrong? Being born into Protestantism doesn’t make Protestantism okay, either - it was still founded on a rejection of the Holy Tradition of the Apostles, as symbolized by knocking the heads off their statues at St. Andrew’s Cathedral in 1560.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
You are using the word “catholic” to mean human being. A bit far-fetched.
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Not at all. The Roman Catholic Church in its 24 Rites exists in three modes: the Churh Militant, which is every Roman Catholic member of any of the 24 Rites that are in communion with Rome; the Church Suffering, which includes every soul in Purgatory, and the Church Triumphant, which includes every soul in Heaven. You might object, “but they cannot be under the earthly authority of the Pope if they are in Heaven!” Listen again to the promise made to St. Peter: WHATSOEVER thou bindest on earth (any rule he makes) is bound in Heaven.

Everyone in Heaven is also under the authority of the Bishop of Rome, successor of Peter. They are also Roman Catholic.
 
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