To Be in Heaven, You Must Be Catholic

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Read the book of Acts. Jesus appeared to Paul after ascending into heaven. It is still possible to have a personal relationship with Jesus. !’ NKJV)
Hi, Rob, St.Pauls experience is indeed divine intervention,Jesus, is not bound by any ordinances that He has set in His Church. His Church is however bound by His commands.

Matthew 16: 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it

Read more: ewtn.com/ewtn/bible/search_bible.asp#ixzz2dDfpI1No

God Bless
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What if one was raised catholic, went though bible study and classes growing up, was confirmed, but then started to look into another religion and in their conscience they believed more truth in that religion and converts? It’s all about conscience, our intent, and what we surely believe to be true right?
 
What if one was raised catholic, went though bible study and classes growing up, was confirmed, but then started to look into another religion and in their conscience they believed more truth in that religion and converts? It’s all about conscience, our intent, and what we surely believe to be true right?
If this person knew the teachings of the Catholic Church and rejected them then he or she is in trouble. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not our own conscience and not our own ideas about what is true and right, especially if our conscience is not well formed.
 
You conveniently left off the fact that the Church can also loosen interpretations and those looser interpretations can then become binding. The focus is always on what is bound but never what is unbound in the name of Love.
Well, in order to apply it to our discussion here you need to show that the Apostles, and their successors, the Bishops of the CC, have loosed the teaching that we must belong to the Body of Christ, the Catholic Church, in order to be in heaven.

They have not loosed this.

So not sure what your point is. :confused:
 
The Orthodox would have it the other way around… Who do I believe then? Who spun off from whom?
The Orthodox are NOT Catholics nor are they the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is the Catholic Church from the first century.

Acts 9:31 So the church throughout all καθ’kataὅληςholos ] Judea and Galilee and Sama’ria…" iow the Church is the Kataholos Church = Catholic Church The English word catholic is a transliteration of the Greek katholikos which is a compound word from kata, which means according to, and holos, which means whole.
iow, the faith is the same faith, the Church is the same Church, throughout the whole world

ECF’s the Church is the Catholic Church
  • St IgnatiusBp of Antioch, ~69 a.d. - ~107 a.d., ordained by apostles, disciple of St John the apostle, called the Church the Catholic Church of which schismatics won’t be going to heaven . St Ignatius didn’t invent the name Catholic Church. He learned this from the apostles
  • St Polycarp, Bp Smyrna, disciple of St John called the Church the “Catholic Church”
  • Irenaeus ~180 a.d. wrote “Against Heresies” called the Church the “Catholic Church” Bk 1 Ch 10 v 3], and also Irenaeus who was taught by Polycarp, teaches all must agree with Rome [Bk 3, Ch 3, v 2-3]
  • Cyprian~250 a.d.
  • The Nicene Creed, 325 a.d., it’s a matter of faith to believe in the "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church"
  • Augustine There are many other things that most justly keep me in her * bosom. . . . The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house.48
  • etc etc
  • Paul condemned division
  • Ignatius condemned division
  • Irenaeus condemned division Bk 3 vs 2-3 & Bk 3, vs 2-3
  • etc etc
Therefore, Jesus condemned division*
 
What if one was raised catholic, went though bible study and classes growing up, was confirmed, but then started to look into another religion and in their conscience they believed more truth in that religion and converts? It’s all about conscience, our intent, and what we surely believe to be true right?
God will judge them. Bottomline, people can’t put one over on God.
 
This is a non issue. You all seem to be overlooking traditional Catholic teaching on this point. The following statements on Outside the Catholic Church There is No Salvation are from the highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church. They are ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). Therefore, they constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the Catholic Church).

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice."

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation no remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra: “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439,ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, alms giving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra: “For regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non‐exempt, belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and they all have one Lord and one faith.”

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”

All of the above infallible, (ex cathedra), Papal decrees can not ever be changed and will remain valid until the end of the world.
 
What if one was raised catholic, went though bible study and classes growing up, was confirmed, but then started to look into another religion and in their conscience they believed more truth in that religion and converts? It’s all about conscience, our intent, and what we surely believe to be true right?
NaturalBorn,

There is right and there is wrong, there is good and there is evil, there is Pro-life and there is Pro-choice.

Now lets say one was pro-life advocate for the first 30 years of their life and then in their conscience they start believe that it is ok to become a pro-choice Advocate. Now, no matter how much their conscience is telling them they are right in becoming a pro-choice advocate they are dead wrong and committing Mortal Sin.

One who reads this post may say, I am taking it out of context? Am I! No!

One who knows and is not ignorant of the teachings of the Catholic Church, and then leave and converts to another religion, there is no salvation for them, says the Catholic Church which has the power to bind or loose anything in heaven or on earth.

There is Catholicism and there is Protestantism.

Ufam Tobie
 
This is a non issue. You all seem to be overlooking traditional Catholic teaching on this point. The following statements on Outside the Catholic Church There is No Salvation are from the highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church. They are ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). Therefore, they constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the Catholic Church).

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice."

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation no remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra: “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439,ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, alms giving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra: “For regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non‐exempt, belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and they all have one Lord and one faith.”

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”

All of the above infallible, (ex cathedra), Papal decrees can not ever be changed and will remain valid until the end of the world.
Oh boy. Here we go…
 
Please explain what you mean by, “Oh boy. Here we go…”
Inevitably, just as we are making progress with non-Catholics on this topic, a traditionalist Catholic comes in to make progress impossible.

:mad:
 
Inevitably, just as we are making progress with non-Catholics on this topic, a traditionalist Catholic comes in to make progress impossible.

:mad:
Maybe you would like to explain to me and to others reading this thread what exactly the difference is between a traditionalist Catholic and a true Catholic.
 
Maybe you would like to explain to me and to others reading this thread what exactly the difference is between a traditionalist Catholic and a true Catholic.
James-

No one has denied a single thing you posted.

Have you actually read, carefully, all of this thread?

Sheesh.
 
Inevitably, just as we are making progress with non-Catholics on this topic, a traditionalist Catholic comes in to make progress impossible.

:mad:
Maybe it’s simpler than that. Maybe he just read the OP and replied without reading the 500 posts that followed.

I made that mistake when I was new to CAF.
 
Maybe you would like to explain to me and to others reading this thread what exactly the difference is between a traditionalist Catholic and a true Catholic.
This is a peculiar question, considering the fact that you seem to already know the answer.

Are these not your own words?
Hi everyone.
I’m James from north eastern Ireland and I’ve just joined this site. I have recently become aware of the traditionalist Catholic movement that give their allegiance to the pre-Vatican ll church. I hope to learn more about that and my Catholic faith generally.
God bless you all,
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It is in the bible that each soul will be judged on it’s own merits. This includes everyone from Adam and Eve on down.
I have noticed that the Catholic Church does not judge only educates us on salvation. For example it does not say a person who commits suicide is damned only that it is a mortal sin to commit murder. Likewise it does not say non-Catholics are damned only that to be saved you should be Catholic.
Jesus said in the bible that to be saved one must love God with his whole heart, soul, mind and body and love one another as he loves himself.
If you love someone this way you do everything you can to please the one you love. I could not express my love as a non-Catholic because as a Catholic I can express my love the way Jesus said better than any other religion. i.e. the Sacraments.
OK some who do not know about being Catholic may do the best they can to love God this way. The Catechism says if you are a Catholic and you do not follow the church it is a grave sin. These are the ones for whom I pray most. I have met many.
Again: Each person will be judged on their own merits with the knowledge they have been given and the inherent goodness of their soul.
 
i was taught that the sacrament of baptism is an absolute necessity for entering heaven. while there may be virtuous people who are not baptized, their ultimate destiny may well be a place of “natural” happiness but they will not experience the beatific vision that is the essence of heavenly bliss.

however, since we know that Jesus while in the grave visited and preached the gospel to the righteous who had died before His coming, almighty God may have a mechanism, unknown to us by which He gives the unbaptized righteous people access to the beatific vision.

but that is totally speculative and there is little to nothing that would indicate such a mechanism exists.

i guess at the end of time, Jesus could again preach the gospel to those righteous souls who died unbaptized; but, i think it would be reckless for us to teach others that there is such a mechanism.
 
i was taught that the sacrament of baptism is an absolute necessity for entering heaven.
Then, sadly, you were taught incorrectly.

Did you know that the Catholic Church has an entire day set aside to honor those folks who are in heaven who were not baptized? It’s in December. It’s called the Feast of the Holy Innocents–a multitude of babies who are in heaven but were not baptized.
 
i thought the Holy Innocents received the “baptism of blood”, i.e. martyrdom?

Jesus is the One who said unless a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter in to the kingdom of heaven.

perhaps you can point me to where the RCC teaches that baptism is not necessary for the removal of original sin?
 
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