To Be in Heaven, You Must Be Catholic

[steve_b]

No. The Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church weren’t born till AD 1054 after the Great Schism, before which there was a single Church of the Roman Empire from which both Churches sprang from, and even this Church that preceded the Roman Catholic Church might not have been the first established Church.

There were/are several ancient Churches that weren’t part of the Roman Empire. For instance, the Coptic Church was traditionally founded by Mark the Evangelist in circa AD 42, and, according to tradition, Apostle Thomas spread Christianity to the Jewish diaspora in India in AD 52.

:console: I can see this subject is causing you great stress. Calm down, it will be okay.

When Paul wrote to the Church of Rome, yes that’s right, Romans is to the Church of Rome , his letter is thought to be written c~55 a.d. Note, the Church of Rome is already there, and so much so that Paul says all the world has heard about her obedience of faith. I’ll just get out of the way and let Paul speak for himself.

Rom 1:
[snip]
7 To all God’s beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you always in my prayers, 10 asking that somehow by God’s will I may now at last succeed in coming to you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you, 12 that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine [snip].

This btw is Peter’s see. And btw, Mark was Peter’s disciple.

Back ~200 post ago I posted this forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=11161864&postcount=849

 

[steve_b]

Hurray!

You’ll actually come to find that Catholics and Protestants have far more in common than differences. The main difference is the Eucharist; besides that, most of our differences are elementary and not even worth arguing about.

My conversion to Catholicism is because of the Eucharist first and foremost. What kept me out of the CC was my misunderstanding of some of their beliefs… I.E: Mary, Statues, and the same old stuff.

Unfortunately for my Evangelical Church, I love history too much and I have been doing immense private study of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Eusebius, and their writings. I feel ashamed to not believe in the Eucharist when I read what they wrote.

Actually when they are listed, the differences are quite substantial.

 

[bill99]

So instead of analyzing the truth, you would rather analyze the what if’s…

There was a Pope when the New Testament was decided.

How would you know what the New Testament is without the Catholic Church?

well it could happen what would you do and why?

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Catholics believe in faith alone if it is faith formed by charity then they believe in faith alone.Protestant view of faith= catholic idea of faith+ catholic idea of hope+ catholic idea of charity

It goes like this, my friend:

We are saved by Grace through Faith Working in Love.

All of them together :yup:

Never alone :nope:

 

[Isaiah45_9]

well it could happen what would you do and why?

It has not happened and it will not happen.

BTW, you are yet to answer my questions.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Thread has already gone over 1000 posts.
I’ll leave it open until later tonight.
Feel free to start a sequel thread after that.
Carry on.

 

[bill99]

It has not happened and it will not happen.

BTW, you are yet to answer my questions.

you are trying to avoid my question because you know you must look in the bible to answer it.;

 

[Isaiah45_9]

you are trying to avoid my question because you know you must look in the bible to answer it.;

No my friend.

You are avoiding mine because you can’t find it in the Bible

 

[bill99]

No my friend.

You are avoiding mine because you can’t find it in the Bible

I cant find you question may you ask it again so I may answer it

 

[Alizarin]

Perhaps you are confusing orthopraxy with orthodoxy.

Shouldn’t orthopraxy be the common-sense fruit of orthodoxy?

If there is some teaching from the CC that you believe comes from man and not God, could you provide it here?

If we’re gonna go down that road we should probably move that discussion to another thread…? This one’s already a little long in the tooth without adding to it another subject Anyway, I’m game for a new thread if you are…

If there are practices that Catholics have done, such as have snubbed you or your loved ones, or demanded money from you unjustly, or gossiped about your wife, then you ought not have left the CC because of poor praxis.

For me the problem was doctrinal, not social. When a person can no longer – in good conscience – assent to the teachings of a church, it’s time to leave, I think.

P.S. - sorry it took so long to reply. Been kinda busy. I’m not even gonna try to read all the backposts. Just skimmed quickly and saw this one of yours…

 

[yogosans14]

Hurray!

You’ll actually come to find that Catholics and Protestants have far more in common than differences. The main difference is the Eucharist; besides that, most of our differences are elementary and not even worth arguing about.

My conversion to Catholicism is because of the Eucharist first and foremost. What kept me out of the CC was my misunderstanding of some of their beliefs… I.E: Mary, Statues, and the same old stuff.

Unfortunately for my Evangelical Church, I love history too much and I have been doing immense private study of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Eusebius, and their writings. I feel ashamed to not believe in the Eucharist when I read what they wrote.

My view on the Eucharist is more in line with the Lutherans view. not sure though its a mystery

 

[dronald]

My view on the Eucharist is more in line with the Lutherans view. not sure though its a mystery

Right on.

For me, I couldn’t have my denomination named after a man. I don’t want to be called a, “Lutheran” because then I must take on Luther’s name in my denominations title.

I don’t even think Luther would have liked it, I assume he would have been too humble to want people to call themselves, “Lutheran.”

 

[pablope]

what else can you trust? men can say anything they want but is it true? what are you willing to put your faith into?

calledtocommunion.com/2009/07/ecclesial-deism/

Aquinas believed that faith in Christ necessarily involves trusting the Church, because Christ cannot fail to guide and protect the development of His Church.

I came to see that I did not fully trust Christ, not because I thought Him untrustworthy, but because I had not understood that Christ founded a visible hierarchically organized Body of which He is the Head, and which He has promised to protect and preserve until He returns. I had not apprehended the ecclesial organ Christ established through which the members of His Body are to trust Him. I came to see that faith in Christ is not something to be exercised invisibly, from my heart directly to Christ’s throne, as though Christ had not appointed an enduring line of shepherds. Inward faith was to be exercised outwardly, by trusting Christ through those shepherds Christ sent and established. Jesus had said, “The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”29

This is the sacramental conception of faith, not simply belief that, but belief through. This is the sacramental conception of the Church, the basis for the priest speaking in persona Christi.

But upon coming to understand that Christ founded a visible hierarchically organized Body of which He is the Head and which He promised to preserve, I came to see that the way to trust Christ is to trust His Church of which He is the Head, just as the early Christians trusted Christ precisely by trusting the teaching of the Apostles. Trusting the Apostles did not subtract from (or compete with) their trust in Christ. On the contrary, when Jesus tells the Apostle Thomas, “Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed,”30 He implies that greater faith is required and shown in those who trust in Christ not by seeing Him, but by believing the testimony of the Apostles. Jesus refers to this way of believing when He prays, “I do not ask in behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word.”31

 

[yogosans14]

Right on.

For me, I couldn’t have my denomination named after a man. I don’t want to be called a, “Lutheran” because then I must take on Luther’s name in my denominations title.

I don’t even think Luther would have liked it, I assume he would have been too humble to want people to call themselves, “Lutheran.”

meh, labels dont bother me. The only thing that bothers me is when someone is telling me I’m not saved.

Romans 14:10(KJV)–But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[dronald]

meh, labels dont bother me. The only thing that bothers me is when someone is telling me I’m not saved.

Romans 14:10(KJV)–But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Catholics won’t say that you, “Can’t be saved.” The belief however is that none of us living are saved. Rather, we shall be saved.

 

[yogosans14]

Catholics won’t say that you, “Can’t be saved.” The belief however is that none of us living are saved. Rather, we shall be saved.

“To be in Heaven, You MUST BE CATHOLIC” seems they are already giving me judgment

 

[PRmerger]

Cardinal Walter Kasper: “… the old theory of substitution [that is, the theory of the New Covenant substituting for the Old] is gone since the Second Vatican Council… Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, i.e., the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises.” (Address at the 17th meeting of the International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee, New York, May 1, 2001.)

It is incorrect to say that the Jews may deny their own Messiah and still be saved.

 

[PRmerger]

“To be in Heaven, You MUST BE CATHOLIC” seems they are already giving me judgment

If you get to heaven, yogo, then it will be because you have embraced Christ and His Body, the Catholic Church.

There is no other way.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Catholics believe in faith alone if it is faith formed by charity then they believe in faith alone.Protestant view of faith= catholic idea of faith+ catholic idea of hope+ catholic idea of charity

Somebody has been doing his homework.

 

[PRmerger]

No. The first Christians are in the book of Acts and they were Jews. They met in their homes. Those were the first churches and Christians. Catholics were not heard of for hundreds of years later.

Nope, yogo. Not even close.

Catholics were borne at Pentecost. And even the catacombs of ancient Rome give testament to the fact that the early Christians were doing Catholic things, such as praying for the dead.