To Cardinal Newman said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

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Mongo said:
The history of christianity indicates that Protestantism is a break from the entire church before it. Whether you determine that the patristic texts indicate the fathers were more in line with the Orthodox east or the Catholic west, it is clear that the fathers professed a faith that was traditional with a hierarchical structure and a sacramental view of the faith.
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Hey there. This thread is supposed to have died long ago. Rather just watch the dialogue between Mr Steve B and Professor Contarini (I’m not being funny, I read somewhere you are an actual Professor :)).

Peace 🙂
 
po18guy said:
As to the OP: Cardinal Newman was not primarily a historian. All believers should investigate their own denomination for its beginnings. We Catholics must, as we are under relentless attack from all sides. Hyperbole? Try defending Catholicism on YouTube, for example.

The vast majority of denominations are decades old and no more. The Americas are the most egregious examples of the explosion of denominations. Great theological license was taken, and is being taken, and by its very nature this produces division.

For those who are Lutheran, study Luther himself - pondering his erratic behavior and his personal damning of everyone one who disagreed with him and, IMO, that ‘should’ spur you on to look beyond Luther. The same with Calvin, Zwingli, Simons, Wycliffe, Knox, you name them. All split off and founded denominations after their private opinions differed with their brothers. Where is the truth in that?

How can a Protestant ever be certain of the truth, since innumerable versions exist within the umbrella called “protestantism.” Did Jesus teach that each of us should consult the texts and decide for ourselves? No, He did not. He - God made man - intended that an authoritative Church perpetuate the faith.

Those communities which are founded on the bible violate our Lord’s core principle. I am not saying that those who follow such beliefs are ‘bad Christians’ or do not love Christ. Most of them are very fervent lovers of Christ. It is simply that they are utterly lacking the foundation and infinite depth that the Church founded by Christ contains.
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Whatever may be argued about the other divines you mention, John Wycliffe most certainly did not split off and found another denomination.
 
MichaelP3 said:
Hey there. This thread is supposed to have died long ago. Rather just watch the dialogue between Mr Steve B and Professor Contarini (I’m not being funny, I read somewhere you are an actual Professor :)).

Peace 🙂
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And a well qualified one, too.
 
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Hey there. This thread is supposed to have died long ago. Rather just watch the dialogue between Mr Steve B and Professor Contarini (I’m not being funny, I read somewhere you are an actual Professor ).
GKC said:
And a well qualified one, too.
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Amen to that
 
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Originally Posted by MichaelP3 View Post
Hey there. This thread is supposed to have died long ago. Rather just watch the dialogue between Mr Steve B and Professor Contarini (I’m not being funny, I read somewhere you are an actual Professor ).

Amen to that
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There are points on which we differ, and have for years, that I am not qualified to discuss with him.

Come to think of it, there are other folk like that, too.
 
Hmmm. That last doesn’t look quite right.

There are also other folk here whom I walk around carefully, due to their qualifications.

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MichaelP3 said:
Hey there. This thread is supposed to have died long ago. Rather just watch the dialogue between Mr Steve B and Professor Contarini (I’m not being funny, I read somewhere you are an actual Professor :)).

Peace 🙂
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Not any more. I was laid off some years ago and am currently a homeschooling parent/homesteader/freelance writer/substitute organist. But I do have a PhD. in church history.

In the words of Sir Oliver Martext, “not a fantastical knave of them all shall flout me out of my calling.”

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Not any more. I was laid off some years ago and am currently a homeschooling parent/homesteader/freelance writer/substitute organist. But I do have a PhD. in church history.

In the words of Sir Oliver Martext, “not a fantastical knave of them all shall flout me out of my calling.”

Edwin
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That’s cool. May I ask what is the Title of your Thesis?
 
MichaelP3 said:
That’s cool. May I ask what is the Title of your Thesis?
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“A Method for the Christian Life: Martin Bucer and the Sermon on the Mount.” Duke, 2005. Alas, I have never got it published–I finally sent it off to a potential publisher a couple of years ago and have heard nothing. I should ask about it sometime :eek:

Edwin
 
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