To Laymen, Laywomen or Both?

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ah, come on. You know there are any number of people who disagree with the relevant documents. They don’t care what the documents say, Rome is simply wrong, and obviously spineless, given to flights of Modernism, influenced by the Masons and dictated to liturgically by the Protestants, and probably subject to the Illuminati.

Did I leave anyone out? Let’s see, the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra…
Somehow, I find your sarcasm pointed at me. Am I right? I hope not but if so, then your claim that I and others call Rome heretical is a serious charge. I don’t intend to be unkind, but you should better clarify your sarcasm.
 
1Co.11 tells us men and women Prophesies.1Co.14:34-36.St.Paul seems to use sarcasm here.(Did the word of God go forth from you?Or has it come to you alone?The Laity includes both men and women=Laymen.Peace:)
 
Hi again,

I’m interested in knowing if any women feel lay ministers should only be male.

I am female, but do not hope for female ordination, since I do understand that Christ is male in His human nature, and this cannot be changed.

However I do not see any problem with giving women other ministries, especially since there are more women willing to perform these roles.

Lux
 
Has it ever occured to anyone that the current Curial position on the ordination of women is “politically correct” from a very old social order? Please note that it does ignore Gal 3: 25-28 which is a very important passage.
Remember that we also changed the requirement on head coverings for women in church because of social changes. The passages insisting on women keeping their hair concealed were deemed to have more social influence than Divine revelation. Perhaps that is the case on women teaching in the church as well. Political correctness is not a new thing.

Matthew
 
Hi,

The sad truth is that there are not enough men willing to serve all the positions needed. This may be the main reason lay ministries were created and opened up to all lay persons.

I also believe that the lay ministries must be very structured and disciplined, not people jumping up to “help out” whenever there seems to be a need. (We have people running up to the altar, if a purificator is missing)

I doubt there will ever be female ordinations, but there are many female administrators, and there is certainly a need for women in lay ministries.

Lux
Actually many men feel it should have both men and women. So they are not forcing themselves into the positions to the exclusions of others.
 
I’d be interested in knowing how many women said “men only”?

In my parish, if the women weren’t allowed to serve in the various duties you mentioned, they wouldn’t get done or at least, not as well. The participation is about 50-50.
 
I’d be interested in knowing how many women said “men only”?

In my parish, if the women weren’t allowed to serve in the various duties you mentioned, they wouldn’t get done or at least, not as well. The participation is about 50-50.
In my parish, all of the ushers are men. Lectors are probably 60% men and 40% women. EMHC’s are 50-50, with many husbands and wives both serving as EMHC’s. Altar servers are mostly boys, although a few girls serve (usually with their brothers).
 
another dumb poll
which activities?
the activities reserved for the ordained should be performed only by the ordained
activities reserved for men should be done only by men
activities open to women can be done by women.
my opinion and that of anyone responding to the poll is useless. What do the relevant documents say?
The point of the poll is not to ask what people think the Church actually allows (which you seem to be implying by your reference to the “relevant documents”) but to what people think, for whatever reasons, the Church *should *allow. 1900+ years of restricting ministry in the sanctuary to men (and this included reading and distribution of communion) at least provides an acceptable reason for someone to think the Church should continue to restrict these ministries, even if you don’t find it a sufficient reason for doing so. The OP basically wants to see if posters find the Church’s decision to derestrict these ministries. Why not let him/her find out?
 
Sorry, read “find the Church’s decision to derestrict these ministries prudent
 
The point of the poll is not to ask what people think the Church actually allows (which you seem to be implying by your reference to the “relevant documents”) but to what people think, for whatever reasons, the Church *should *allow. 1900+ years of restricting ministry in the sanctuary to men (and this included reading and distribution of communion) at least provides an acceptable reason for someone to think the Church should continue to restrict these ministries, even if you don’t find it a sufficient reason for doing so. The OP basically wants to see if posters find the Church’s decision to derestrict these ministries. Why not let him/her find out?
I thank you very much for defending me. I should apologize, for the tone in my post replying to those respective people was not polite. I’m very sorry. In fact I do believe that these ministries (besides that of the of the ordained) should be extended to men and women. But as of lately I have been rather confused on the issue. I was only trying to see what others thought about it. And I did not expect for my actions to be considered dumb or that I am accusing the Holy See of heresy. I am sorry if I offended anyone.
 
I agree with AJV & Vittorio23
No laypeople distributing Holy Communion.
I don’t know what to think about lectors; it never comes up since I attend TLM where the priest does the reading, or else an abbey… though perhaps some of the brothers who read are technically laymen, not being acolytes or priests yet, but it has never bothered me. It doesn’t bother me much in the NOM that laypeople read if they conduct themselves suitably, though I am open to changing my mind.
Altar boys not being ordained doesn’t bother me.
I never think about ushers. They seem to end up being men anyways.
 
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