To Muslims: why believe in a reinterpreted Bible

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jakasaki said:
Esdra - keep in mind that muslims don’t say “pbuh” for the heck of it -

They are commanded to say that everytime they mention mohamads name.

They also apply the “pbuh” when they mention any prophets name, including their Isa/Essa
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Does PBUH mean the Muslims believe that the such and such prophet is alive in Heaven?

MJ
 
CompSciGuy said:
Am I to interpret that you are saying Mohammad was not literally choked but rather this was a metaphor to say that he was full of fear?
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he saw Gabriel and got scared. How would you feel if you saw a supernatural being in front of you? You would get shocked.
 
MartinJordan said:
Does PBUH mean the Muslims believe that the such and such prophet is alive in Heaven?

MJ
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I don’t know about being “alive in Heaven” but they believe that all prophets, including Mohamad, are without sin.

They also beleive that Adam was a prophet.
 
elwill said:
he saw Gabriel and got scared. How would you feel if you saw a supernatural being in front of you? You would get shocked.
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shocked =/= fear

Shocked as in amazed. Since there is nothing to be afraid of if one accepts Jesus into his/her heart, I sure wouldn’t be scared.

Psalm 27:1
The LORD is my light and my salvation-- whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life-- of whom shall I be afraid?
 
elwill said:
he saw Gabriel and got scared. How would you feel if you saw a supernatural being in front of you? You would get shocked.
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I’ll repost my previous reply:
jakasaki said:
You see Elwill - here lies the problem comparing the behavior of this angel in the cave choking & squeezing Mohamad, versus the behavior of the angel in the NT.

I’ll just give you 2 passages:

Luke 1:30
But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, **an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid **to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

There is a big difference - do you see it…???

The first words out of the angel is "do not be afraid" - the angel that approached Mohamad in the cave did no such thing.
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klmblitz4 said:
shocked =/= fear

Shocked as in amazed. Since there is nothing to be afraid of if one accepts Jesus into his/her heart, I sure wouldn’t be scared.

Psalm 27:1
The LORD is my light and my salvation-- whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life-- of whom shall I be afraid?
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I just needed to check what affiliation you are. And couldn’t believe my eyes seeing “Catholic”.

Accepting Jesus into one’s heart is a typical sentence Reborn-Christians (Protestants commonly) use. 😉

Are you a convert?
 
Esdra said:
I just needed to check what affiliation you are. And couldn’t believe my eyes seeing “Catholic”.

Accepting Jesus into one’s heart is a typical sentence Reborn-Christians (Protestants commonly) use. 😉

Are you a convert?
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No, I’m catholic. You still accept Jesus into your heart if you are Christian and it doesn’t matter what denomination you are. Catholics believe in faith AND works, not just faith as Protestants do. Accepting Him into your heart is the first step of being a Christian. If one can’t do this step, they will never progress further into their faith.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3).
 
klmblitz4 said:
No, I’m catholic. You still accept Jesus into your heart if you are Christian and it doesn’t matter what denomination you are. Catholics believe in faith AND works, not just faith as Protestants do. Accepting Him into your heart is the first step of being a Christian. If one can’t do this step, they will never progress further into their faith.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3).
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Very well said.
So there are things in common between Catholics and Protestants! 🙂
 
Hi,

I think part of the problem with the OT/NT is that, while I think the overwhelmlying majoritiy of it falls in line with the Catholic interpretation, you can if you want ti be willfull ignorant about it argue those interpretations are wrong. So know you get into a he said she said discussion. However, with the Koran, you can see actual indisputable error in the text. If this text is supposed to be the word of God then how can there be an error in it. For one indisputable example look at Sura 5:116-117.

It clearly teaches that Christians are wrong because they worship Mary as a God. I think part of the quote is, “Then God will say: 'Jesus son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God…” Right here you have Mohammed (sp?) believing that Christians are worshipping Mary as if she were God and the rest of th text is Jesus confirming that she shouldn’t be worshipped as God. Now it is a fact that Christians do not worship Mary a God, nor have ever worshipped her as God. Therefore, you have indisputible proof that the Koran teaches error by saying this is what Christians do when that is utterly false. If this is false then really you cannot say the Koran is divinely inspired inerrant truth.

You cannot say you have indisputable proof about teaching error in the OT/NT, just what you want to say is error. So how can you trust a book as the inerrant word of God when it so clearly already demonstrates a large indisputable error?
 
jakasaki said:
I don’t know about being “alive in Heaven” but they believe that all prophets, including Mohamad, are without sin.

They also beleive that Adam was a prophet.
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Okay, thanks. I think I get it 😊

MJ
 
DJK100 said:
Hi,

I think part of the problem with the OT/NT is that, while I think the overwhelmlying majoritiy of it falls in line with the Catholic interpretation, you can if you want ti be willfull ignorant about it argue those interpretations are wrong. So know you get into a he said she said discussion. However, with the Koran, you can see actual indisputable error in the text. If this text is supposed to be the word of God then how can there be an error in it. For one indisputable example look at Sura 5:116-117.

It clearly teaches that Christians are wrong because they worship Mary as a God. I think part of the quote is, “Then God will say: 'Jesus son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God…” Right here you have Mohammed (sp?) believing that Christians are worshipping Mary as if she were God and the rest of th text is Jesus confirming that she shouldn’t be worshipped as God. Now it is a fact that Christians do not worship Mary a God, nor have ever worshipped her as God. Therefore, you have indisputible proof that the Koran teaches error by saying this is what Christians do when that is utterly false. If this is false then really you cannot say the Koran is divinely inspired inerrant truth.

You cannot say you have indisputable proof about teaching error in the OT/NT, just what you want to say is error. So how can you trust a book as the inerrant word of God when it so clearly already demonstrates a large indisputable error?
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Hi

are you by chance a native speaker of German?
Because I’ve always thought in English Qu’ran is written like this.
Koran is German…
 
Esdra said:
Hi

are you by chance a native speaker of German?
Because I’ve always thought in English Qu’ran is written like this.
Koran is German…
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Koran is just another word for it. Like the Qa’aba and Kaaba.
 
DJK100 said:
Hi,

I think part of the problem with the OT/NT is that, while I think the overwhelmlying majoritiy of it falls in line with the Catholic interpretation, you can if you want ti be willfull ignorant about it argue those interpretations are wrong. So know you get into a he said she said discussion. However, with the Koran, you can see actual indisputable error in the text. If this text is supposed to be the word of God then how can there be an error in it. For one indisputable example look at Sura 5:116-117.

It clearly teaches that Christians are wrong because they worship Mary as a God. I think part of the quote is, “Then God will say: 'Jesus son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God…” Right here you have Mohammed (sp?) believing that Christians are worshipping Mary as if she were God and the rest of th text is Jesus confirming that she shouldn’t be worshipped as God. Now it is a fact that Christians do not worship Mary a God, nor have ever worshipped her as God. Therefore, you have indisputible proof that the Koran teaches error by saying this is what Christians do when that is utterly false. If this is false then really you cannot say the Koran is divinely inspired inerrant truth.

You cannot say you have indisputable proof about teaching error in the OT/NT, just what you want to say is error. So how can you trust a book as the inerrant word of God when it so clearly already demonstrates a large indisputable error?
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I have read this before as well…and it is clearly wrong!\

Here is another that is clearly misguided information:
Surah 9:30 from Al-Tawbah
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
So when in history did jews ever believe in a Son Of God? And who is this Ouzear that the jews believe in? Ouzear is how its pronounced in arabic, and muslim arabs say that stands for Ezra form the bible)??

Some muslims told me that there was a jewish tribe in yemen who believed that Ezra was the son of god…But i can’t find anyone else ever knowing that or writing about it! BTW my family history is from yemen and we ended up in palestine. We have our family tree mapped out for hundreds and hundreds of years…yet this claim is unknown in an any writings or in a verbal way?? I don’t think the jews have a history of it either?
 
Esdra said:
Hm, yes, indeed interesting.

Just looked it up on pons.eu
Koran (de) = Koran (eng.) and Qu’ran. 😉
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Koran would be one anglicized form of the original Arabic word. Qu’ran is a faulty transliteration from Arabic, and should actually be Qur’an, since the apostrophe represents a glottal stop between the r and the a. Like the tt in “bottle” as pronounced by speakers of Cockney English, the sound is essentially a quick pause.
 
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