To Planten or any other Muslim

[FaithofAbraham]

David’s child is created, and is created the normal way, from the seed of a man and egg of a woman. The Word is not created.

But the human body and spirit of Jesus, a human, is created by God’s Word.

 

[Rocky]

Even though I do not believe any Roman and I do not like to go beyond the four gospels, I seem to like the above quote which is meaningful indication that jesus was indeed the son of david, the king by the flesh. So that is why jesus was called a prince.

Why do you say that you do not believe any Roman? Do you think this Letter was written by a Roman? It was written by St. Paul to the Christians living in Rome. It would do well for you to actually read the Bible, as I have a distinct feeling that you are taking someone else’s teaching about the Bible, and have not actually read it for yourself.

 

[inJESUS]

“my Father only” So did only the Father know, or the Son too?

what about the Holy Spirit? the Holy Spirit who knows the very thoughts of God did not know as well? the Holy Spirit knows, yet the Holy Spirit that gives prophecy to prophets did not make it known to any prophet, because it is not meant to be declared…the Holy Spirit and the Word of the Father do not make it known so only the Father knows since it is revealed to no one.

 

[inJESUS]

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**That makes it more complicated. It appears that Jesus created Mary who in turn gave birth to jesus. Can there be any more meaningless thing than such ideas.

Jesus creating his mother (and father, david) too.**

no Platen, its actually very simple.

Jesus created Mary and when He wanted to come to earth as a human, He incanated in her, that is, came through Her, without a need of biological chemistry. He was not created by her.

is this complicated or it is the Quranic passage that gives the impression it was an angel who created Jesus in Mary’s womb?

 

[inJESUS]

But the human body and spirit of Jesus, a human, is created by God’s Word.

correct, God’s Word who is God.
Therefore the body is created directly by Jesus , not humans…Mary is a means through which He incarnated, and He is her Creator, not her creature.

 

[De_Maria]

There is too much “may be” in the above post. So it is not useful information.

I disagree. The point is that the Church knows the Traditions which tell us that Mary is a descendant of David. Muslims speculating on the meaning of Scripture simply do not have the charism (i.e. blessing) from God to interpret Scripture correctly.

There is too much speculation and supposition.

From the Muslim interpretation of Scripture. That is correct.

The Quran has much more power over the bible and gives correct / true information even about the Jewish / christian matters.

Muslims can’t even prove the authenticity of the Quran, Islam can’t even prove its own authenticity. There is no getting around the facts that:

1. Mohammed never proved he had a divine revelation.
2. the first so called “Quran” was burned.
3. The current Quran can’t be verified to the original.

Therefore, Islam itself is a religion based upon flimsly evidence.

The birth of Mary the mother is described in Quran and not in bible NT. That is a weakness of the bible.

That is a strength. We have more than one source, more than one witness. You only have one and it is not confirmed by any other source and can’t be traced to the original.

She was a levite or not. But according to Quran, she was attached (given up) to the temple for service to God, in the temple. She lived there as long as she did not have the menses.
It was due to the nature of her work/ duties in the temple that in the Quran she was described as the sister of Aaron. Not that she was the real sister of Aaron. Please try to understand the superior language of the Quran.

Again, the superiority of Quranic language is an unprovable Islamic claim. InJesus and many others have proven the inferior nature of its grammar and speech in general.

Sincerely,

De Maria