To Protestants--do you ever pray the Rosary?

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Regeneration is one of the steps we see occuring during Justification. We are dead in our sins, unable to even ask God to save us. then, God - in His own time and chosing - gives us a heart of flesh for a heart of stone. This is the regeneration stage - we move from dead in sin to alive. Next, we see our sins, for the first time since we were dead before, and we see we are hopless before a just God. We now hear Christ knocking, before we were dead and could not hear, we call out to Him to save us and God imparts Christ’s righteousness to us. That entire process is called Justification for us.

All men were regenerated by the sacrifice of Jesus in that they were made capable of seeking God’s will.

Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw **all people **to myself.
John 12:31-32

For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; for** as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ**.
1Cor. 15:21-22

Therefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all,** so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all**. Rom. 5:18

For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful **to all.**Rom 11:32

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:1-2

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”
John 1:29

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Hello

*No, not sensitive…you posted above ‘I worship the Son and God, and put all of my attention on Him.’ But, so do I. I don’t divert my attention away from the Son, and place it on Mary…nor do I worship Mary. So, you might not have meant it that way, which you’re saying you didn’t mean to imply anything…but then not sure why that sentence was even necessary, except to infer that people who pray the Rosary somehow are not doing the things you do. (worship and keep the focus on Christ) Not the first time, I might have read into something that isn’t there! :tiphat: Apologies, if that was the case, but hopefully, you can see where I was drawing that from.

That said…this morning as I prayed ‘with’ Mary, I thought about that. Sometimes, she is praying WITH me, not for me. She is our mother in heaven, and sits with us in prayer. It is hard to explain, I didn’t always pray the Rosary, as I didn’t see ‘the point,’ years ago, but once you develop a habit in praying it daily, it is life changing, in a positive way. Just another two cents. *

:heaven:

 

[ChosenAndCalled]

All men were regenerated by the sacrifice of Jesus in that they were made capable of seeking God’s will.

Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw **all people **to myself.
John 12:31-32

For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; for** as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ**.
1Cor. 15:21-22

Therefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all,** so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all**. Rom. 5:18

For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful **to all.**Rom 11:32

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:1-2

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”
John 1:29

Your interpretation of these scriptures is universalism, friend and it is a heresy.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Your interpretation of these scriptures is universalism, friend and it is a heresy.

You are wrong.

Being lead to justification, being shown mercy, and being made alive by Christ does not guarantee salvation.

We must respond to the free gift of grace that came to us through Jesus Christ.

My view is consistent with Catholic teaching.

 

[ChosenAndCalled]

You are wrong.

Being lead to justification, being shown mercy, and being made alive by Christ does not guarantee salvation.

We must respond to the free gift of grace that came to us through Jesus Christ.

My view is consistent with Catholic teaching.

I don’t want to further derail this topic, but I will say that I do not think your previous post was really 100% in line with my understand of RCC teaching. It was phrased in language that was way to universalistic. We can talk about it somewhere else if you like.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

I don’t want to further derail this topic, but I will say that I do not think your previous post was really 100% in line with my understand of RCC teaching. It was phrased in language that was way to universalistic. We can talk about it somewhere else if you like.

Feel free to PM me.

This might be a semantics problem in some respects.

However, I reject the notion that God denies his grace so some of his children and showers others with salvation.

God wants all men to be saved.

If we reject God, it is not because we are following his will.

 

[Janet1983]

And do not be afraid to ask for prays from Mary. Jesus loves it when we ask for her intercession!

Huh?
When did He say that? :bible1:

 

[Zooey]

I have “experimented” using the prayers of the rosary at various times to seek to understand the spirituality better of those who use those prayers. When all was said and done they do not “speak to my condition”.

I do find myself however joining along when I hear others pray using those specific prayers. I have attended Catholic funerals of friends and loved ones who have passed.

I have made several rosaries, one Catholic I gave to a friend who was facing a cancer diagnosis…he said “It came at the right time…I hadn’t used a rosary in years…and I couldn’t find mine.” I gave an “Anglican rosary” I had made to a friend who was being confirmed into the Episcopal church. I made a “Protestant rosary” to a Lutheran acquaintence one Xmas…it has 33 beads for each year of Christ’s life, 11 beads separated by 3 larger beads representing the Trinity and the “center” large bead which represents the Son has a small semi-circle of decorative beads around it from which hangs a cross.

I have used a prayer rope…and even took it to Meeting with me and recited the “Jesus Prayer”…but I found I was distracted from the Gathered Meeting and found it difficult to…Center Down again after vocal ministry was offered by various Friends.

:tiphat:
:grouphug:

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Huh?
When did He say that? :bible1:

Well, wouldn’t you love the fact that people were asking your Mother for prayers?
There’s more than that, but I don’t think you’d accept my sources.

My :twocents: is that I feel bad for those who deny a relationship with the Blessed Mother. You’re really missing out ; Jesus has been pouring out His graces and granting us all different kinds of favors since my family and I have embraced His mother as our own…and truly accepted her as co-redemtrix. As you can see in my signature, her Immaculate Heart has brought many souls to her Son and His Sacred Heart.

Who doesn’t need this beautiful Mother? This Crown of Creation?

:heaven: I wouldn’t have it any other way.

In Him,
Therese

 

[Janet1983]

Well, wouldn’t you love the fact that people were asking your Mother for prayers?
There’s more than that, but I don’t think you’d accept my sources.

My :twocents: is that I feel bad for those who deny a relationship with the Blessed Mother. You’re really missing out ; Jesus has been pouring out His graces and granting us all different kinds of favors since my family and I have embraced His mother as our own…and truly accepted her as co-redemtrix. As you can see in my signature, her Immaculate Heart has brought many souls to her Son and His Sacred Heart.

Who doesn’t need this beautiful Mother? This Crown of Creation?

:heaven: I wouldn’t have it any other way.

In Him,
Therese

So it’s not biblical… (I mean I couldn’t remember any passage of Jesus telling us literally to pray to her and Him being happy about that.)

 

[lil_flower_luv]

So it’s not biblical… (I mean I couldn’t remember any passage of Jesus telling us literally to pray to her and Him being happy about that.)

No, not specifically biblical. But God gave us not only the Bible, but other sources to lead us Closer to Him. He allowed Mary to show the world her unending intercession by her visits to this world.

 

[whatevergirl]

*I like your explanation lil_flower.

To me, when Jesus hung on the cross, breathing his last breaths, He looked at John, one of His Disciples, and said…‘Behold your mother; woman, behold your son.’ (John 19:25-27)

Right there, Jesus more than suggests that we are to consider His mother, OUR (spiritual)Mother. In that, we can ask for her prayers, as we would our own earthly mother. She will listen. In addition to us coming before Christ, with our prayers…She is too. It isn’t a diversion away from Christ, but rather a beautiful addition of grace offered to us, by merely spending time talking with Jesus’ blessed Mother.

That is how I see it, anyways. I think that Jesus’ words were to instruct Mary in a sense, to be a mother to us all…and for John, to look at Mary, as a mother to him, and to us all. *

 

[Lutheranteach]

Clearly, you fail to understand the meditative nature of such prayers.

I said can…not will

 

[Techno2000]

So it’s not biblical… (I mean I couldn’t remember any passage of Jesus telling us literally to pray to her and Him being happy about that.)

Not everything is in the Bible.
Devotion to the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary

This Message was confided by Our Lord to Berthe Petit, a humble Franciscan Tertiary, born on January 23, 1870, at Enghien, Belgium:

“Teach souls to love the Heart of My Mother pierced by the very sorrows which pierced Mine.” (December 25, 1909)

At the Holy Hour (March 25, 1912) the Blessed Virgin spoke thus: “I have called myself the Immaculate Conception. To you I call myself Mother of the Sorrowful Heart. This title willed by my Son is dear to me above all others. According as it is spread everywhere, there will be granted graces of mercy, spiritual renewal and salvation.”

angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/athepieta.html

 

[tmac1956]

So it’s not biblical… (I mean I couldn’t remember any passage of Jesus telling us literally to pray to her and Him being happy about that.)

Where did Jesus say that we should pray to him? He didn’t – he taught us to pray to the Father. Yet, most Christians do it. Some also pray to the Holy Spirit. Sola Scripture is not held by Catholics because its not biblical either.

 

[ChosenAndCalled]

Mary is the most difficult catholic teaching for most non-catholics to accept; you can argue that it was the most difficult for some catholic’s as well as doctrines on Mary are the only times the Pope has spoken infallibly (I forget the latin name, sorry). These doctrines did not come from a council, but from one man. That speaks to me on the views at the time being more mixed than one might know.

All of the Mary doctrine comes from souces that non-catholics reject out of hand: visions, appearances, oral traditions that lack written backing.

I’m not denegrating your tradition, just telling you why it makes no sense to me, and I feel it to be taking away from Christ, not adding to Him. In that sense, it offends me. Not Mary, she is to be honored as the mother of Christ, but in the manner in which some people revere her.

Saying that Jesus loves it when we ask His mother for prayers is not something that can be supported by evidence that non-catholics can accept, and it will make many of usshake their heads in deep sorrow. You can’t understand how we feel about what we see as robbing Christ of His due, just as we can’t see how you feel at adds to his glory.

Is not a chasm that can be bridged.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

All of the Mary doctrine comes from souces that non-catholics reject out of hand: visions, appearances, oral traditions that lack written backing.

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Absolutely false.

The doctrines regarding Mary, other than the Assumption, are very biblically based.

Here’s a good site if you are interested:

davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm

 

[spoiltvictorian]

Mary is the most difficult catholic teaching for most non-catholics to accept; you can argue that it was the most difficult for some catholic’s as well as doctrines on Mary are the only times the Pope has spoken infallibly (I forget the latin name, sorry). These doctrines did not come from a council, but from one man. That speaks to me on the views at the time being more mixed than one might know.

All of the Mary doctrine comes from souces that non-catholics reject out of hand: visions, appearances, oral traditions that lack written backing.

I’m not denegrating your tradition, just telling you why it makes no sense to me, and I feel it to be taking away from Christ, not adding to Him. In that sense, it offends me. Not Mary, she is to be honored as the mother of Christ, but in the manner in which some people revere her.

Saying that Jesus loves it when we ask His mother for prayers is not something that can be supported by evidence that non-catholics can accept, and it will make many of usshake their heads in deep sorrow. You can’t understand how we feel about what we see as robbing Christ of His due, just as we can’t see how you feel at adds to his glory.

Is not a chasm that can be bridged.

Does Christ love it when we ask other Christians on earth to pray for us?

Does Christ love it when we compliment and praise other people?

I think the issue is that most Protestants have it in their heads that the Christian dead are cut off from us and not a part of the “great cloud of witnesses” egging us on with Christ in Heaven. Once you accept that the saints aren’t ignoring us on earth, it’s a small step to asking them to pray for us as we ask others. And from that to asking one of the saints most favored by Christ, his mother, more often than others or even saints generally.

 

[ChosenAndCalled]

Does Christ love it when we ask other Christians on earth to pray for us?

Does Christ love it when we compliment and praise other people?

I think the issue is that most Protestants have it in their heads that the Christian dead are cut off from us and not a part of the “great cloud of witnesses” egging us on with Christ in Heaven. Once you accept that the saints aren’t ignoring us on earth, it’s a small step to asking them to pray for us as we ask others. And from that to asking one of the saints most favored by Christ, his mother, more often than others or even saints generally.

You see, there is nothing scripturally that gives me any hint that this is the case. I do see Revelations filled, however, with the completed saints spending their time glorifying God and giving Him praise forever.

 

[spoiltvictorian]

You see, there is nothing scripturally that gives me any hint that this is the case. I do see Revelations filled, however, with the completed saints spending their time glorifying God and giving Him praise forever.

Well…we certainly should pray for each other. Paul, for example, makes prayer requests in his letters. And we should commend and praise each other for doing good. Again, Paul is an easy example when he commends other Christians for their faithfulness, obedience, prayer, etc.

As far as the saints watching us, we know of the “great cloud of witnesses.” In Revelations the Saints give “the great roar of the multitude” when certain events happen on earth. That suggests that the saints are not blind to what is happening here. And why wouldn’t they continue to pray to God for us once they departed to be closer to Him?

We also know that Mary is “full of grace” and that Christ does what she asks out of obedience to His mother, even though Christ is her king.

So I’d say there is some Biblical basis for this.