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katy
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As a Catholic, I have never heard those citations refer to anyone but Christ. Applying them to his mother is news to me.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Hi katy look for corruption in the assumption threads. I have seen catholics on this very site, say that God did not intend for his mother’s body to see corruption. Us protestants read such statements as applying that Psalm to Mary. Be it loose talking on catholics part or whatever, it does indicate to us protestants catholic thinking concerning Mary.
Jesus was sinless, to say that mary is sinless in our thinking is sin.
We protestants sometimes wonder if catholics believe that Mary is the fourth person in the godhead.
Jesus was sinless, to say that mary is sinless in our thinking is sin.
We protestants sometimes wonder if catholics believe that Mary is the fourth person in the godhead.
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tom4JC
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Paris Blues:
All those years in the church and I never heard that Jesus died for Everything I’d ever done that was wrong. I never knew he was real. I never knew he wanted me to know him in a personal way. I never knew that he could really speak to me from where he is. I never knew Jesus.
All that has changed. Now that I DO know those things and now that I do know Him ( I know Him only enough to know that I want to know more.) There is no reason for me to go back to a Catholic church. They would not teach me His ways, his thoughts, his heart.
I need that in my life. I need Jesus Christ.
I was Catholic for 34 years, went to Catholic school, attended services on Easter and Christmas, had my firstborn baptized, and later watched her receive first communion.And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…
For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???
All those years in the church and I never heard that Jesus died for Everything I’d ever done that was wrong. I never knew he was real. I never knew he wanted me to know him in a personal way. I never knew that he could really speak to me from where he is. I never knew Jesus.
All that has changed. Now that I DO know those things and now that I do know Him ( I know Him only enough to know that I want to know more.) There is no reason for me to go back to a Catholic church. They would not teach me His ways, his thoughts, his heart.
I need that in my life. I need Jesus Christ.
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Eden
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Were you really raised Catholic? I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that even an ex-Catholic would make the mistake of saying “attended services”. Especially because you stated that you attended Christmas and Easter “services” when a true Catholic knows that we are required to attend Mass every Sunday. And if you received the Eucharist, I don’t know how you can say that you never knew Christ. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe you are trying to lead us astray by portraying yourself as an ex-Catholic to lend yourself more credibility. Please tell me if I am wrong, and I will certainly apologize. If I am right, please do not use deception to advance your point of voice. Blessings on your spiritual journey!
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Eden
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Daniel Marsh:
Yes. I’ve read what you believe about Catholics on the ezboards King James Version Only site. Thank you for using polite language on the Catholic Answers forum. It’s a nice change.
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Contarini
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Paris Blues:
Furthermore, there are a number of significant points that I think Protestants got right. I believe and hope that Catholicism can learn (and is learning) to adopt these insights. But the fact is that these truths (the universal baptismal priesthood, justification by faith, the supreme authority of Scripture, etc.) live and function best in a Protestant context, as things now are. Protestants have taken these insights out of their proper context and have exaggerated and distorted them. It is the task of people like me to make Protestants aware of the claims of the broader Christian tradition, so that our peculiar insights come to serve that tradition instead of tearing it apart.
In Christ,
Edwin
Because I learned the Faith as a Protestant. I believe that Protestants and Catholics share one Faith. If it were up to me, Protestants and Catholics would be unified on the basis of that common Faith. My separation from Rome is not by my own will. But I can’t persuade myself to turn my back on the Christians who made me Christian.And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…
For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???
Furthermore, there are a number of significant points that I think Protestants got right. I believe and hope that Catholicism can learn (and is learning) to adopt these insights. But the fact is that these truths (the universal baptismal priesthood, justification by faith, the supreme authority of Scripture, etc.) live and function best in a Protestant context, as things now are. Protestants have taken these insights out of their proper context and have exaggerated and distorted them. It is the task of people like me to make Protestants aware of the claims of the broader Christian tradition, so that our peculiar insights come to serve that tradition instead of tearing it apart.
In Christ,
Edwin
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YADA
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A couple of posters brought up the papacy and differences between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox.
Perhaps this should be a new thread, I do not want to hijack this one…would anyone care to discuss some of the writings of St. Clement? He writes from Rome as the Bishop of Rome (1st, 2nd or 3rd successor of Peter depending on various historical authorities, most probably the 3rd) to the church in Corinth, admonishing them and giving instructions. Anyone up for it? I will start a thread and place some of his subjects. Bare (Bear?) with me, I have to type them long hand, I do not have a ‘cut and paste’ source.
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Perhaps this should be a new thread, I do not want to hijack this one…would anyone care to discuss some of the writings of St. Clement? He writes from Rome as the Bishop of Rome (1st, 2nd or 3rd successor of Peter depending on various historical authorities, most probably the 3rd) to the church in Corinth, admonishing them and giving instructions. Anyone up for it? I will start a thread and place some of his subjects. Bare (Bear?) with me, I have to type them long hand, I do not have a ‘cut and paste’ source.
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Aurelio
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Hello!While I don’t know about any thread hijacking controversy, I AM almost 100% sure that Catholic Answers had “something” on St. Clement last summer, but I can’t rememer exaclty WHICH issue it was.
Hope this helps!
Good luck.
Aurelio
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YADA
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Posted the quotes from St Clement on the Non Catholic thread under Thread St Clement…
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ChiFaithful
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Daniel Marsh:
Forturnately, Catholics do not concern ourselves to the illogical beliefs that protestants wonder about Catholics, such as the one above, which appears to not only obviously inaccurate but grossly irresponsible. Hence, you can wonder about Mary being God until your head pops, but you’re in the wrong place for such ideas.
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The_Iambic_Pen
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Why Protestants (in general) are not Catholic (in no particular order):
Why I am not Catholic:
God bless!
- Sola Scriptura is so ingrained in the Protestant mind, that most Protestants don’t even think about why they believe in it. As such, any Catholic Doctrines which do not have explicit Scriptural support are thought to be the inventions of men.
- The Immaculate Conception, the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Papal Infallibility, Prayer to the Saints, Purgatory, Confession to a Priest, Priestly Celibacy, Relics and Sacramentals, and certain other Catholic Doctrines and Disciplines do not have, or do not appear to have explicit Scriptural support (see rule 1), and as such are signs of a false belief system.
- The Catholic belief in losing one’s “saved” state through certain sins seems to go against the idea that God will never let His children be “snatched out of His hands.” Protestants, whether they believe in “once saved, always saved” or not (many, if not most, do not) tend to believe the Christian has a little more security than that. Many Protestants see Catholics as always being in constant terror of losing their salvation (and if they are not, they should be).
- The Catholic emphasis on ceremony and rituals is unattractive to the Protestant who believes in a very simple relationship with Christ as being all he or she needs for salvation. All the candles and statues and incense and formulaic worship often seem to hint at some form of complicated paganism, a far cry from simply confessing with one’s mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in one’s heart that God raised Him from the dead.
- Protestants see the veil of the temple being torn in two at Christ’s death as a symbol that man no longer needs a mediator between him and God. As such, Protestants see the Catholic system of confession through a priest to God as a Catholic attempt to replace the Old Testament priesthood with a new one which is not required.
- Protestants are not likely to study other churches until they see something wrong with their own. Very few people choose their religion. Rather, they inherit one from their parents and then often retain it or reject it based on experiences within their church. If a Protestant goes to a church where he or she feels fulfilled, he or she is not likely to look elsewhere.
- Most Protestants see the Church as an “invisible body of believers,” and, as such, do not believe any particular church is the “true” church. The Catholic claim to exclusivity is not something most Protestants would claim about their own church, even if they believe it is the most true.
- If Protestants think about the Catholic Church at all, they think of it as the church that was, but which has since been replaced. Many Protestants believe the Catholic Church became corrupt and started introducing false doctrines. As such, the Protestant Reformation was a necessary event, restoring the truth to Christianity.
- Many Protestants believe the Catholic Church teaches that people must earn their way into Heaven by their works. By contrast, most Protestants believe we are saved by our faith in Christ, apart from any effort of our own.
- Some Protestants believe the Catholic Church is so false as to be dangerous, leading millions of people to Hell. It is the “whore of Babylon,” the Pope is the Anti-Christ, and if there are any Christians in the Catholic Church, they are not very good Catholics.
Why I am not Catholic:
- I have been a Protestant my whole life, and my family has been for generations. If I cross over, so to speak, I will be severing that spiritual connection. I will be saying, in effect, that all of those great, righteous people were wrong, and that I, generations down the road, have discovered some truth that all these men and women of faith somehow missed. If Catholicism is true, I wonder, why has this knowledge been given to me, but not to them?
- All the evidence I have seen suggests that Catholicism is true, but I can’t deny that there are many brilliant men and women who remain Protestants. Obviously, they have seen something I have not, and so I hesitate to make a decision until I have done more research of the other side’s viewpoint.
- It’s too close to Easter to get into an RCIA program…
God bless!
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tom4JC
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WOW ! Wasn’t expecting that !Were you really raised Catholic? I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that even an ex-Catholic would make the mistake of saying “attended services”. Especially because you stated that you attended Christmas and Easter “services” when a true Catholic knows that we are required to attend Mass every Sunday. And if you received the Eucharist, I don’t know how you can say that you never knew Christ. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe you are trying to lead us astray by portraying yourself as an ex-Catholic to lend yourself more credibility. Please tell me if I am wrong, and I will certainly apologize. If I am right, please do not use deception to advance your point of voice. Blessings on your spiritual journey!
If a true Catholic is required to attend mass EVERY Sunday then I guess I wasn’t a TRUE one. And yes, I received the eucharist (and I also participated in countless, repetative, mechanical rituals that meant nothing in my heart)
Lead you astray ? Far from the truth. Quite the opposite actually, I’m not looking for any credit nor do I reqire any apologies.
When I tell others about what Christ did to me and what he did for me, it’s not a portrayal, it’s called a testimony. He came to me where I was at, He made it clear to me that I was a sinner, I was going to hell, and He saved me. Done deal. No deception.
The longer I walked with him, the more I talked with him, the farther away from religious games, and the religious system I went. I still go to church. I just go to a church that teaches Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, was both fully God and fully man, shed his blood for the things I did that were wrong, died on a cross, came back from the dead, and that HE will come back again !
Oh and, a church that not only teaches and believes those things but also, one that teaches the infallible Bible.
Thank you. I will pray for you.
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Eden
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That is Mass with a capital “M” and you did not address the use of the word “service”. I’m very curious as to why you would use a Protestant term that is never used by Catholics. There is a huge difference between what happens at a “service” and what happens at Mass and you seem to have completely missed the distinction. Thanks for the prayers!
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Mickey
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Very uncharitable.
Very uncharitable.
What are you insinuating? This is very uncharitable!
Wow! That is very uncharitable. The Catholic Church gave you the infallible Bible that you now read!
I am now compelled to ask you: Does your new inter-denominational faith teach about charity?
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Mickey
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Eden! You have returned! :clapping: I missed you!
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Eden
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Mickey! HelloEden! You have returned! :clapping: I missed you!
. I’ve haven’t been here for a while because we moved clear across the country to Nevada last Fall. It was a big move and then with the holidays… well, anyway, here I am! Great to “see” you again!!! 
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Mickey
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Wow! Nevada is a beautiful state (I hope you don’t like to gamble).Mickey! Hello
Anyway, welcome back. Steelers are world champions! :clapping:Sorry for the hi-jack everyone.
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Eden
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Thanks, Mickey! It’s great to be back. And yes, we were blessed with a job transfer to a beautiful state! And luckily, no, I’m not a gambler. Although they sure try to make you one out here. I needed change for a 20 when I got to the LV airport and was directed to a change machine that gave me… $20 dollars in quarters. :ehh:Wow! Nevada is a beautiful state (I hope you don’t like to gamble).
Sorry for the hi-jack everyone.
http://bestsmileys.com/sports3/13.gif Woohoo, Steelers!!!
O.K. hijack over.
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ahimsaman72
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Paris Blues:
I don’t know what difference it will make, but the reasons for me personally were:
I still am not convinced it is the way for me.
So, there you have it.
By the way, I love and respect the faith you have and the many others I have met on this forum - truly Christian people. I defend Catholics against others who rail against her :yup: or who misunderstand some of her teachings. But, I’ve had to be true to myself and follow my current path.
No disrespect with what I have posted. You asked
Peace…
Paris,And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…
For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???
I don’t know what difference it will make, but the reasons for me personally were:
- having to accept dogma despite my conscience and opinions
- non-acceptance of family members/destruction of family
- freedom to practice truth wherever it may be found (that is, in Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism)
I still am not convinced it is the way for me.
So, there you have it.
By the way, I love and respect the faith you have and the many others I have met on this forum - truly Christian people. I defend Catholics against others who rail against her :yup: or who misunderstand some of her teachings. But, I’ve had to be true to myself and follow my current path.
No disrespect with what I have posted. You asked
Peace…
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Mickey
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Yes, my friend. You have identified three major obstacles.
Number one is a matter of obedience.
Number three can be overcome when we realize the common bond of humanity: All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . CCC
Nunber two can be the most difficult. I have witnessed this in action and it makes me sad.
Peace and blessings to you,
Mickey
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