To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

[NPS]

Originally Posted by myfavoritmartin
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid

JSmitty2005:

Obviously you know nothing of Catholicism. The Scriptures are read 3 times during the Mass with the rest of the Liturgy absolutely infested with other Scriptures. Did you know that if you simply attend daily Mass for 3 years straight that you will have heard the entire Bible read? Oh, and lastly, not that you will be very fond of this, but the Church grants an indulgence for a prayerful reading of the Bible.

Exactly. And when the Protestants were inventing the doctrine of Sola Scriptura the Catholic Church had long been celebrating the Latin Mass following the bible phrase by phrase, even word by word. There’s virtually nothing else in there besides direct biblical quotations.

The Ave Maria simply strings together direct verses from Luke.

Unfortunately, truth is often trumped by bigotry and mis-truths, and it is so very much easier for people to spout repeated lies than it is to actually investigate a subject they supposedly base their lives upon.

 

[kujo313]

Example : Holding and interpretation of the Bible ahead of all things and thereby worshipping a Bible.

Example : Regarding ones own interpretation of the Bible with esteem and devotion.

You’ve answered it. You read from a “Catholic bible”. Your religion says that only the pope can interpret the bible.

You worship a bible that your pope says is “true”. Yet, the very rosary and scapular your religion uses is in direct contradiction of the “bible” you carry.
No wonder there are so many other “religions”. You’re the “blind leading the blind.” Over 1 billion people being led astray.

 

[kujo313]

Eden:

My apologies. I misundestood your original post.

I think “the act of prayer or actions dedicated to praising God” would sum up how I would define worship.

Again, you misunderstood the question.

It’s NOT “what is your defination of worshipping God.”

it was “what is your defination of worship?”

 

[St.Eric]

kujo313:

Example : Holding and interpretation of the Bible ahead of all things and thereby worshipping a Bible.

Example : Regarding ones own interpretation of the Bible with esteem and devotion.

You’ve answered it. You read from a “Catholic bible”. Your religion says that only the pope can interpret the bible.

You worship a bible that your pope says is “true”. Yet, the very rosary and scapular your religion uses is in direct contradiction of the “bible” you carry.
No wonder there are so many other “religions”. You’re the “blind leading the blind.” Over 1 billion people being led astray.

We use a bible that includes the “septuagint”. the same cannon of the old testament that Christ and the apostles used and their particular sect of Jews used. Hey man, if it was good enough for Christ to use, it is good enough for the church to use. You should ask Luther why he saw fit to see otherwise.

 

[onesimplemind]

kujo313:

You worship a bible that your pope says is “true”.

You worship your interpretation which you say is true. You worship yourself thinking you alone know the truth.

 

[kujo313]

St.Eric:

You’ve answered it. You read from a “Catholic bible”. Your religion says that only the pope can interpret the bible.

You worship a bible that your pope says is “true”. Yet, the very rosary and scapular your religion uses is in direct contradiction of the “bible” you carry.
No wonder there are so many other “religions”. You’re the “blind leading the blind.” Over 1 billion people being led astray.

We use a bible that includes the “septuagint”. the same cannon of the old testament that Christ and the apostles used and their particular sect of Jews used. Hey man, if it was good enough for Christ to use, it is good enough for the church to use. You should ask Luther why he saw fit to see otherwise.

Luther is dead. But if I ask him to pray for me, he should. Well, that’s according to the catholic religion reguarding saints and such. What would Luther say?
To settle that, let’s stick with the living people.
Looked up “septuagint”. Mentions nothing of lifting up the virgin, having her as our “mother”, her mentioning a scapular.
Nothing.

As you say, there are tens of thousands of “religions” out there. Surely there has to be ONE that is closer to God’s Word than the catholic religion. One who does not follow false “witness” like the scapular and such.
I found one that follows the Word and who’s traditions are those taught by Jesus and truly followed by His disciples.

“The Septuagint is just another example of how the Biblical text has remained faithful in its message and theme. The Holy Bible is truly a divinely inspired and preserved letter from God that is deserving of our time and attention.”
septuagint.net

 

[Eden]

kujo313:

Again, you misunderstood the question.

It’s NOT “what is your defination of worshipping God.”

it was “what is your defination of worship?”

O.K. Now you are just being belligerent. I gave you my definition of worship. If you don’t like it - Oh, well. You asked for my definition and I gave it to you. Sorry it didn’t work out as planned for you.

 

[Eden]

kujo313:

“The Septuagint is just another example of how the Biblical text has remained faithful in its message and theme. The Holy Bible is truly a divinely inspired and preserved letter from God that is deserving of our time and attention.”
septuagint.net

Another person who knows the Bible is Sacred from their own discernment because the Holy Spirit has gifted them with infallibility in matters of faith and morals.

 

[kujo313]

Eden:

Another person who knows the Bible is Sacred from their own discernment because the Holy Spirit has gifted them with infallibility in matters of faith and morals.

“infallibility”? No. Shown the Truth? Yes. Only God is infallible! Jesus was, and is, the only Perfect Man who walked the earth!
The Holy Spirit guides you into Truth! Not just guiding a pope. No.
You have to pray and look it up. With your computer, it should be easier for you.

I’d rather listen to Jesus (God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God) and the acts and letters of His disciples (being filled with the Holy Spirit), then from somebody in the 2nd century who most likely spoke without any written word in front of them, and no first-hand witnesses who could approve or rebuke them.

 

[JSmitty2005]

kujo313:

Luther is dead. But if I ask him to pray for me, he should. Well, that’s according to the catholic religion reguarding saints and such. What would Luther say?
To settle that, let’s stick with the living people.

Although I highly doubt that Luther is in Heaven, if he were, he is more alive than you or I. In your mind, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are all dead, but Jesus tells us otherwise. He tells us that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and that He’s also the God of the living, not the dead. Jesus didn’t contradict Himself. Those in Heaven are more alive than you or I.

“As for the dead being raised, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, (the) God of Isaac, and (the) God of Jacob’?
He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled.” (Mark 12:26-27)

 

[JSmitty2005]

kujo313:

Only God is infallible!

Did God give the gift of infallibility to the writers of Scripture?

 

[Eden]

“infallibility”? No. Shown the Truth? Yes.

If you are not infallibile, you are capable of interpreting with errors.

The Holy Spirit can not lead you into all truth without giving you the charism of infallibility on matters of faith and morals.

We can conclude you have not been led into all truth on faith and morals by the Holy Spirit.

So, please stop claiming that your reading of the Bible is without error.

 

[JSmitty2005]

TrustInTheLord:

And no you can’t correct me because i did not do anything against your will. You are not God.

If that’s true, then you cannot correct exoflare, for you are not God either.

I think you are confused. So it’s best to stop this nonesense.

I’m sorry, brother, but I’m not the one who’s confused.

Thanks for your concern but i think i know what’s best for me.

Proverbs 3:5
“Trust in Yahweh with all your heart, and don’t lean on your own understanding.”

Proverbs 16:25
“*There is a way that seemeth right * unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.”

 

[kujo313]

JSmitty2005:

Although I highly doubt that Luther is in Heaven, if he were, he is more alive than you or I. In your mind, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are all dead, but Jesus tells us otherwise. He tells us that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and that He’s also the God of the living, not the dead. Jesus didn’t contradict Himself. Those in Heaven are more alive than you or I.

“As for the dead being raised, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, (the) God of Isaac, and (the) God of Jacob’?
He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled.” (Mark 12:26-27)

I stand corrected on this one issue. tyvm

 

[JSmitty2005]

kujo313:

I stand corrected on this one issue. tyvm

I admire your humility. Not many will admit they’re wrong even on one issue. So, if those in Heaven are more alive than you or I, then do you still think that it’s wrong that we ask them to pray for us?

 

[Eden]

JSmitty2005:

I admire your humility. Not many will admit they’re wrong even on one issue. So, if those in Heaven are more alive than you or I, then do you still think that it’s wrong that we ask them to pray for us?

I agree. Your humility on this issue *is *admirable. Thanks for that, kujo.

 

[kujo313]

JSmitty2005:

I admire your humility. Not many will admit they’re wrong even on one issue. So, if those in Heaven are more alive than you or I, then do you still think that it’s wrong that we ask them to pray for us?

Because we already have Jesus, why ask for anybody else?

 

[JSmitty2005]

kujo313:

Because we already have Jesus, why ask for anybody else?

But surely you’ve asked a friend or family member to pray for you, right? If you haven’t, you should! After all, 1 Tim 2:1-6 says:

“First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all.”

The underlined portion is often used against Catholics to say that we can’t ask the saints to pray for us because it would make them another “mediator.” Obviously in its entire context, it actually supports the Catholic position! Lastly, considering that James 5:16 says that “the fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful,” shouldn’t the saints be good people to ask since they are righteous?

 

[JSmitty2005]

exoflare:

Where did you get that “1000 posts” stuff anyway?

From here.

 

[kujo313]

JSmitty2005:

But surely you’ve asked a friend or family member to pray for you, right? If you haven’t, you should! After all, 1 Tim 2:1-6 says:

“First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all.”

The underlined portion is often used against Catholics to say that we can’t ask the saints to pray for us because it would make them another “mediator.” Obviously in its entire context, it actually supports the Catholic position! Lastly, considering that James 5:16 says that “the fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful,” shouldn’t the saints be good people to ask since they are righteous?

I pray for and am prayed for. If we accept that a saint that went on to be with the Lord is praying for us, then nobody on earth would have to try to be righteous.
One of our goals on earth is to be presented to God without spot or blemish. Though Christ won the victory for us at Calvary, we need to decide wether we want to WALK in that victory or not.
Being “righteous” is an every day thing. Every day, every hour, every minute, every second of our lives. God wants us spotless in His eyes, so we must accept His Son and pick up our cross daily.
Your prayers go farther when you are spotless before God.