To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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cathgal:
Who are you kidding here? You, a non-Catholic, conversing with Catholics here and if they say you don’t understand Catholicism, that’s exactly what it means.

Don’t try to be an expert in something you REALLY and TRULY don’t know. You just THINK you know.
OK. Let’s say that this is true.

Why is the opposite not also true?

If I, despite my experiences and my extensive Bible study, am not qualified to judge Roman Catholicism, why do so many Roman Catholics here feel compelled to judge me and my denomination, that they know nothing about?
 
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12volt_man:
OK. Let’s say that this is true.

Why is the opposite not also true?

If I, despite my experiences and my extensive Bible study, am not qualified to judge Roman Catholicism, why do so many Roman Catholics here feel compelled to judge me and my denomination, that they know nothing about?
Because you belong to a faith that is a breakaway of a breakaway of a breakaway from the Church, not the reverse.
 
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Alfie:
You make a very good point about preaching the gospel. I have rarely heard a Catholic priest be able to preach the gospel . It is not like listening to a spirit-filled protestant pastor. A truly born again peacher doesn’t have to have notes or the Bible to read from. He does not stammer and stumble through the sermon. The word flows naturally from him. That is because the Holy Spirit is speaking through him. I have been at different protestant churches where the congregation will pray for the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon the pastor and his sermon. Sometimes a pastor will preach a totally different sermon from the one he had originally planned to preach. The Spirit will change the topic and speak through the pastor. I have seen a couple of Charismatic Catholics be able to preach that way, but I think it is only because of a natural talent. I have met preachers that are very shy, quiet, and not very articulate and yet that can preach superb sermons.
We don’t go to Mass to be entertained. We go to worship God and receive him in the Eucharist. We go to listen to the word. I don’t think the multitude around the altar in Revelations were too concerned with being entertained by the preaching. Nope, they were/are worshiping God.
 
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12volt_man:
OK. Let’s say that this is true.

Why is the opposite not also true?

If I, despite my experiences and my extensive Bible study, am not qualified to judge Roman Catholicism, why do so many Roman Catholics here feel compelled to judge me and my denomination, that they know nothing about?
OSAS…seems very straight forward and easily understood, and is what you believe…So what do we not understand about your denomination?
 
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Eden:
Because you belong to a faith that is a breakaway of a breakaway of a breakaway from the Church, not the reverse.
Even if that were true, that wasn’t the question.
 
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12volt_man:
Even if that were true, that wasn’t the question.
It does answer the question. Catholics here feel compelled to judge your denomination because Christianity was never meant to have “denominations”. The fact that John Smith created the Baptist movement in the 17th century is an illustration of what can happen when one breaks from the Church. John Smith was breaking away from the Anglicans. The Anglicans broke from Catholicism; none of this separating into denominations is biblical.
 
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Alfie:
You make a very good point about preaching the gospel. I have rarely heard a Catholic priest be able to preach the gospel . It is not like listening to a spirit-filled protestant pastor. A truly born again peacher doesn’t have to have notes or the Bible to read from. He does not stammer and stumble through the sermon. The word flows naturally from him. That is because the Holy Spirit is speaking through him. I have been at different protestant churches where the congregation will pray for the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon the pastor and his sermon. I have met preachers that are very shy, quiet, and not very articulate and yet that can preach superb sermons.
Wasn’t Moses filled with God’s spirit, and didn’t he stutter so badly that Aaron had to go with him to Pharoah? And when Jesus was in front of Pilate and Herod was he not several times SILENT and not saying anything? I have seen and been to a number of non-Catholic services and yes, they are good speakers, but so is every politician. If they live the Word as well as they preach it then I have no objections to their doing so, but preaching is NOT all that Christian leaders are commanded to do.

The purpose of the Catholic Mass is for us to participate in the sacrifice of the Last Supper and Calvary - after all Jesus fed the Apostles his own flesh and blood in the form of bread and wine, didn’t just preach and pray with them, and THAT is what he commanded us to do in remembrance of him.
 
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12volt_man:
OK. Let’s say that this is true.

Why is the opposite not also true?

If I, despite my experiences and my extensive Bible study, am not qualified to judge Roman Catholicism, why do so many Roman Catholics here feel compelled to judge me and my denomination, that they know nothing about?
Alot of what’s going on in this thread are basically disagreement between Protestant and Catholic. I don’t know what you mean by judgement on your denom cuz I skim thru it rather than reading it thoroughly.

You asked why opposite not also true. Simple. Truth can only be ONE, but lies can be as many as you want it to be, as you can see in the existence of thousands of denoms. This is pure common sense. I don’t need to go into detail of what each denom believes cuz ALL of them can not be right and it’s impossible to know the truth. All I need is the foundation of Christianity. That foundation is that Christ founded ONE Church and assigned ONE authority. THIS is the only guide that will leads me to the FULLNESS of Truth. Reason tells me that Christ being God who is perfect cannot comes to dwell among us to bring salvation to the world only to have his teachings scattered, torn and shredded by imperfect creatures. He has his plan of salvation since creation and that is to have his people under ONE faith in the fullness of truth. Not a mass of confusion like you seeing. If you believe that Christ founded one Church and that Church no longer existed or that each person is an interpreter of the bible, then you characterize God as imperfect, fallible and not omnipotent.
 
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BrianH:
No it is a good question.
The underlying issues to be addressed are the validity of apostolic succession as defined by Orthodoxy, scriptural intent and interpretation, and the precise teachings of Christ Jesus. Once I can square all of those, anything is possible of course.

While I respect an argument based upon how ancient something is, I find scripture to be full of examples of Christ’s disciples unable to grasp his teaching even directly from his lips. Early on, scripture seems to point towards divisions that occured 33 CE to 55 or so CE…but I digress.
BH
Hi, i just joined Catholic Forum a couple days ago. I am no expert, but I do have an opinion. If one is looking at a church that is apostolistic, one would find that the Catholic Church is the only apostolistic one. There are actually 4 marks to find out which chuch is the true church and the counterfeit one: 1. Unity, of government, of worship, of doctrine. 2. Holiness, in its founder, its sacraments, its members, and its miracles. 3.Universal, in time and place. 4.** Apostolistic** In doctrine, and succesion of rulers. Does the Orthrodox Church have all these qualities? Please let me know. 👍
 
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cathgal:
You asked why opposite not also true. Simple. Truth can only be ONE, but lies can be as many as you want it to be, as you can see in the existence of thousands of denoms. This is pure common sense. I don’t need to go into detail of what each denom believes cuz ALL of them can not be right and it’s impossible to know the truth.
We’re not talking about whether or not my religion is right, but what gives you the right to judge my religion as wrong when you’re not familiar with it?

Why are you not willing to hold yourself to the same standard that you hold me to?
That foundation is that Christ founded ONE Church and assigned ONE authority.
And we are a part of that church.
Reason tells me that Christ being God who is perfect cannot comes to dwell among us to bring salvation to the world only to have his teachings scattered, torn and shredded by imperfect creatures.
We don’t believe that Christ’s teachings have been “scattered, torn and shredded”. Far from it, we believe that they’re being preached right now.
Not a mass of confusion like you seeing.
I don’t see a “mass of confusion”. I see one church. I see unity between many different denominations of Protestants and Baptists and then I see Roman Catholics telling us all that we’re going to Hell.
If you believe that Christ founded one Church and that Church no longer existed or that each person is an interpreter of the bible, then you characterize God as imperfect, fallible and not omnipotent.
So then, you don’t believe God’s word that He has given us the Holy Spirit so that each man is now a priest and king, able to know the truth for himself and able to come before God without a priest to mediate?
 
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12volt_man:
We’re not talking about whether or not my religion is right, but what gives you the right to judge my religion as wrong when you’re not familiar with it?

Why are you not willing to hold yourself to the same standard that you hold me to?
You are the one who came to a Catholic website to challenge our beliefs. The burden of proof that your church is biblical and that the Catholic Church is in error falls on you. In order for anyone here to respond to your posts, they must point out where you are in error. You cannot come to this site, set out your beliefs and decide that we must be fully informed about you. Remember, you came here. We’re not on a Baptist site.
 
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12volt_man:
I think I’m somebody who wonders why Eden won’t answer the question.
O.K. You are a Baptist preacher and pre-Baptism teacher who was once educated in Catholic schools and CCD because your stepfather was Catholic. Your mother is Methodist. You considered becoming Catholic five years ago but decided the Church was teaching grave errors. You came here because you wanted to teach us why our Church is in error. But instead you have been receiving post after post as to why the Church is the Church established by Christ. You believe you were saved when you said the Jesus prayer and were brought into the Baptist faith with a symbolic baptism and you believe that you are now guaranteed salvation. That would be how I would summarize what I have learned about you.
 
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12volt_man:
I don’t see a “mass of confusion”. I see one church. I see unity between many different denominations of Protestants and Baptists
Where is the unity of belief?
and then I see Roman Catholics telling us all that we’re going to Hell.
Where do you see this?
 
Why am I not catholic?

~Its not because of environment, family, or locallity… That’s just a cop-out. If you TRULY believed in something you wouldn’t let anything, even death, stop you from worshipping how you saw fit.

~Its not because of family tradition… I recognize that some of my family may have been slave owners or thought racial separation was a good thing. Believing something just because generations of your family have believed it, no matter how nice or good you think they were, is just a nice way of saying ‘God isn’t important enough for ME to research my belief system’.

I am STILL protestant because I have not been convinced that the catholic church is all it’s cracked up to be. There are still practices I don’t understand (hence why I am here 😉 ) and the catholic faith seems so alien still to me. Does it mean that the catholic faith is a cult or that they are demon worshippers? OF COURSE NOT. I believe what I believe because God has brought me here to this point in my life and has not led me to the catholic church as of yet. I don’t see it in the future but I do see God working in me to fight for Christian Unity. Non-catholic? Yes. Anti-catholic? NO. 🙂
 
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12volt_man:
We’re not talking about whether or not my religion is right, but what gives you the right to judge my religion as wrong when you’re not familiar with it?

Why are you not willing to hold yourself to the same standard that you hold me to?
If Catholicism has the fullness of truth, and there is only ONE truth, need I be familiar with any other religion to know that they can’t be totally right?
You have one biological parents. Can you search to see if you might have another set of biological parents?
And we are a part of that church.
What church? Your church is Baptist, not Catholic.
We don’t believe that Christ’s teachings have been “scattered, torn and shredded”. Far from it, we believe that they’re being preached right now.
What I mean is there should be a unity in faith but you know it’s not. You can preach all you want but the teachings are not unified.
I don’t see a “mass of confusion”. I see one church. I see unity between many different denominations of Protestants and Baptists and then I see Roman Catholics telling us all that we’re going to Hell.
One church? Let’s see…you’re a Baptist, and there’s Lutheran, a Presbyterian, a 7th Day Adventist, a Methodist, an Episcopalian, a LDS, a Jehovah…and thousands more.
So how come ya’ll got different names? I mean… you wouldn’t be happy to be called a Jehovah would you?
I thought it was the protestants who don’t consider us Catholics as Christian. Didn’t some of them say all Catholics go to hell?
So then, you don’t believe God’s word that He has given us the Holy Spirit so that each man is now a priest and king, able to know the truth for himself and able to come before God without a priest to mediate?
Oh God gives us the Holy Spirit alright, but not in the way you interpreted. Why do you keep saying each man is able to know the truth for himself? Ya’ll read the same bible, but why ya’ll come to a different conclusion ???
 
Paris Blues:
Yes, basically.

All I’m asking is why do non-Catholics stay in their denomination even after they hear the real Truthes about the CC?
Maybe because, they also believe the truth in their own churches…
 
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Singinbeauty:
Why am I not catholic?

~Its not because of environment, family, or locallity… That’s just a cop-out. If you TRULY believed in something you wouldn’t let anything, even death, stop you from worshipping how you saw fit.

~Its not because of family tradition… I recognize that some of my family may have been slave owners or thought racial separation was a good thing. Believing something just because generations of your family have believed it, no matter how nice or good you think they were, is just a nice way of saying ‘God isn’t important enough for ME to research my belief system’.
I think this is part of the reason why some people do not convert. In some parts of the world, there is a real sense of ethnicity being tied to which Church you belong to. For example, I know someone who came from the Netherlands, where there is a large Dutch Reformed population. She said she would never even consider leaving, because it’s not just a system of beliefs, it’s a whole family history as well. There are some people who come from a long line of people practicing a certain faith, and would find leaving it to almost go against their families. I personally come from a long line of Anglicans, and I know many of them would not consider leaving, because it seems like it’s been in our family forever (even though we were all Catholic before there was an Anglican Church). For some people, you don’t question which faith you practice, you just do what has been in your family the longes. I agree that it’s not a really good reason to not convert, but at the same time, there can be a lot of pressure to stay within a certain faith, and maybe not everybody is ready or able to make the decision to go against what their family is doing.
 
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