To Protestants: why do you do this?

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First a brief background. I was evangelical Protestant from childhood until age 47. I grew up in a Conference Baptist church under some of the most famous evangelicals in the U.S. (Evelyn Christenson, Gary Smalley, Irwin Lutzer, Bill Bright, etc.–these people were either on staff at our church or frequent guest speakers at our church).

I was extremely active in my churches, usually involved in something involving my church at least 5-6 days/nights per week.

So I know evangelical Protestantism well. That means, of course, that I know my Bible well. I’ve not only read and studied through the entire Bible many times, but also been involved in Bible studies all of my life, usually at least two-three per week.

Yet in spite of all this, I and my husband converted to Catholicism on April 10, 2004.

We are extremely joyful in our Church and love being Catholic Christians.

What I want to know is why Protestants try to convince Catholics that our “religion” is false and that we need to “become Christians?”

When I was Protestant, I never did this. I accepted Catholics as true Christians.

I read Jack T. Chick’s tracts about Catholicism and realized that they were fiction. I still liked a lot of the other Jack T. Chick tracts (Somebody Loves You is excellent.) But I didn’t go along with everything JTC said or wrote.

I read other Protestant apologies against Catholicism, and I never believed them. I knew Catholics and I knew that the stuff in those apologies wasn’t true.

I didn’t go after Catholics. If someone told me they were a Catholic, I would ask, “So you’re a Christian?” and if they said “yes,” I was cool with that. I didn’t try to talk them out of Catholicism and explain the “truth” of Protestantism.

If a Catholic didn’t know Jesus, THEN I would try to talk to them about their faith. But I didn’t try to persuade them to give up Catholicism, I just tried to persuade them to embrace the Jesus their Church proclaims.

From what I understand, the Rev. Billy Graham never tried to talk Catholics out of their church. Neither did Dr. Bill Bright (I know this from personal experience–when the “I Found It!” campaign was done in our city, three Catholic churches were part of it! Isn’t that nifty?!)

So why do YOU feel it is necessary to try to persuade Catholics that their Church is in error? Are you getting some kind of reward in heaven for this? Can’t you just accept Catholics as fellow Christians who practice their faith differently than you do and rejoice with them?

I personally think the devil must be laughing his head off. He is convincing Christians to witness to Catholics, who are fellow Christians, instead of pagans who are lost in their sins and don’t know Jesus. Tragic.
 
So why do YOU feel it is necessary to try to persuade Catholics that their Church is in error? Are you getting some kind of reward in heaven for this? Can’t you just accept Catholics as fellow Christians who practice their faith differently than you do and rejoice with them?
Hi,
As a born again christian in a non-denom church–probably similar to what you grew up in, I would ask catholics the same exact thing. Catholics do the same exact thing to protestants.😦

BTW, I do not convince catholics to leave their church either. If they ask me questions about my church or want to visit, I would never turn them away. I have a bible study in my house with 2 catholics that go to their respective churches. They have come to events at my church, but I have never asked them to leave theirs. God will lead them where He wants them to be.😃
 
All For Him,

There is a fundamental difference between the Catholic Church and a Protestant church. The Catholic Church is original and stands on its own; a Protestant church is derivative–based on Catholicism being in error–and is defined in relation to Catholicism.

I invite Protestants to “come home to Rome” because Jesus prayed that His children all may be one and Paul exhorted the Corinthians to agree in their thinking. Protestants don’t do that, not even with each other.

One thing that I do NOT do is suggest that Protestants are not Christian. I spent my first three decades as a Protestant and have had an active relationship with Jesus through my entire adult life. Converting to Catholicism does not involve denying your previous walk with the Lord; it simply adds a deeper dimension to it.
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. . One thing that I do NOT do is suggest that Protestants are not Christian. I spent my first three decades as a Protestant and have had an active relationship with Jesus through my entire adult life. Converting to Catholicism does not involve denying your previous walk with the Lord; it simply adds a deeper dimension to it.
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This is a very important point. Conversion should be a coming to, not a turning from. It is growth, not rejection. There is much in your former belief that provides a valuable emphasis for our community.
 
Hi,
As a born again christian in a non-denom church–probably similar to what you grew up in, I would ask catholics the same exact thing. Catholics do the same exact thing to protestants.😦
In that case Catholics would have their own Jack Chicks, their own anti-Protestant publishing houses and websites, calling Protestantism the great whore and the beast. I haven’t run across these Catholic equivalents of the anti-Catholic world within Protestantism.
 
In that case Catholics would have their own Jack Chicks, their own anti-Protestant publishing houses and websites, calling Protestantism the great whore and the beast. I haven’t run across these Catholic equivalents of the anti-Catholic world within Protestantism.
However I don’t see much of a difference except perhaps in nuance between Protestants calling Catholics the whore of Babylon and Catholics calling Protestants heretics. Didn’t they use to burn heretics?
 
What I want to know is why Protestants try to convince Catholics that our “religion” is false and that we need to “become Christians?”… So why do YOU feel it is necessary to try to persuade Catholics that their Church is in error? Are you getting some kind of reward in heaven for this? Can’t you just accept Catholics as fellow Christians who practice their faith differently than you do and rejoice with them?
While I know exactly the kind of behaviour which you describe, because I have seen it far too many times, I would just like to point out that, even in this very thread, we see examples of Catholics trying to persuade Protestants that they are in error for being separate from Rome.

One of the fundamental forces driving such activity is the idea that, if their own belief is ‘correct’, others’ belief must be ‘wrong’. As such, they have a duty to ‘help’ others out of their ‘error’.

Few have the courage to admit that they themselves could be wrong and that, as a result, they have no right to demand that others change.

This situation has been going on since the beginning of Christianity, with various groups denouncing each other as heretics, and I doubt very much that we shall see it end any time soon. Sorry. 😦
 
However I don’t see much of a difference except perhaps in nuance between Protestants calling Catholics the whore of Babylon and Catholics calling Protestants heretics. Didn’t they use to burn heretics?
Actually there’s a world of difference between *individual Catholics *inaccurately applying this term to modern Protestants, and whole Protestant organizations —like Missions to Catholics, Christians Evangelizing Catholics, and Former Catholics for Christ – that are single-mindedly commited to perpetuating such falsehoods. Big difference.
 
Catholics do the same exact thing to protestants.
This sounds so foreign. Catholics are nearly always thought of as non-evangelizers.
BTW, I do not convince catholics to leave their church either. If they ask me questions about my church or want to visit, I would never turn them away. I have a bible study in my house with 2 catholics that go to their respective churches. They have come to events at my church, but I have never asked them to leave theirs. God will lead them where He wants them to be.
Who would have thought that people of different denoms who treat each other with a little common courtesy and respect could study the bible together without one of them showing up with a strapped-on a bomb?
 
However I don’t see much of a difference except perhaps in nuance between Protestants calling Catholics the whore of Babylon and Catholics calling Protestants heretics. Didn’t they use to burn heretics?
Be serious. When’s the last time Catholics burned a heretic with the approval of the Church? For that matter, when’s the last time Protestants burned a heretic with the approval of…well, whoever had some Protestant authority in the matter. Show me a heretic today who’s afraid of being burned by either Catholics or Protestants.
 
However I don’t see much of a difference except perhaps in nuance between Protestants calling Catholics the whore of Babylon and Catholics calling Protestants heretics. Didn’t they use to burn heretics?
Sorry to say that was carried out on both sides of the fence.

Your question is like saying “didn’t the kkk target Catholic Churches?”
 
Be serious. When’s the last time Catholics burned a heretic with the approval of the Church? For that matter, when’s the last time Protestants burned a heretic with the approval of…well, whoever had some Protestant authority in the matter. Show me a heretic today who’s afraid of being burned by either Catholics or Protestants.
You totally missed the point I was trying to make. I know that nobody burns heretics now. You might think I am stupid, but I really am not.

My point was that heresy is such a serious charge, that in times past both Catholics and the Reformed persecuted and killed those it deemed heretics. Although that is not done now, I doubt whether the gravity of heresy has been diminished.

Against that background, I linked a prominent Catholic web page that charged Protestantism as being a great heresy.

Now another group I sometimes post in that has a very arrogant Baptist in it who was constantly referring to the Catholic Church as a “false church”. The Catholics (rightly) took offense at that, and this fellow was eventually moderated. I approved of the moderation because his rhetoric was offensive.

If the Catholics can rightly take offense at their church being called a false church, why can’t I take offense at my church being called a part of a great heresy?
 
If the Catholics can rightly take offense at their church being called a false church, why can’t I take offense at my church being called a part of a great heresy?
Context, context, context.
When I was on my journey to the church, I was at first offended by the term. Then I realized it was not meant as an insult but rather defining of the relationship of the catholic church to protestant views. Protestantism is a heresy when viewed from the teachings of the catholic church. Look it up and you will see it is not derogotory in its definition.
 
What I want to know is why Protestants try to convince Catholics that our “religion” is false and that we need to “become Christians?”
I also was an evangelical Christian until the age of 35. I was confirmed at the Easter Vigil in 2005 (the last of the JPII catholics you could say).

The difference is that Catholics tend to view protestant/evangelical churches as seperated brethren. They on the other hand tend believe catholics not to be Christians at all. Although some of the more charitable believe that some catholics can be christians if they have “accepted Jesus as their ‘personal’ savior.”

From this perspective, they are obligated to try to convert us as directed by the great commission.

It is a misunderstanding on their part.
 
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Sandusky, thank you for this post. Enlightening as always!

I think a very simple, yet fundamental difference is that in Catholicism the main question is “What must I do to be Catholic?,” whereas the Reformation exhumed the age old question, “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30), and responded with the age old Pauline answer: “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved…” (v. 31).

Which question demonstrates the greater love?
You know I am so tired of this, really I am. I am Catholic. I believe in all She teaches. I have a personal and real relationship with Jesus. NOT in spite of but because I am a believing Catholic. I read my Bible and Pray. At the very least I start and end my day in prayer. NOT in spite of, but because I am a believing Catholic. I am a Christian. NOT in spite of, but because I am a believing Catholic.
 
You know I am so tired of this, really I am. I am Catholic. I believe in all She teaches. I have a personal and real relationship with Jesus. NOT in spite of but because I am a believing Catholic. I read my Bible and Pray. At the very least I start and end my day in prayer. NOT in spite of, but because I am a believing Catholic. I am a Christian. NOT in spite of, but because I am a believing Catholic.
:amen: :bible1: This also describes me! By the way, I go to an adult Sunday school class at my church (Catholic). It is a Bible study. We are currently studying Romans and Galatians. One woman in my class actually was part of the last Billy Graham crusade in my city (Cleveland, Ohio). She was one of the representatives from the Catholic Church. Billy Graham always wanted people to come to faith in Jesus Christ and to have a real relationship with Him. He did not care if that person was Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox. My friend from church was a prayer partner and also gave people literature about Catholic Churches after the people made a commitment to Christ at the Billy Graham crusade and chose to commit or recommit to a Catholic Church. She had nothing but positive things to say about the Rev. Graham. I also had some friends from college (Catholic college) attend the crusade. They became more deeply involved in their faith as Catholics.

Unfortunately, I did not attend the crusade, became lapsed in my faith for several years. What brought me back and led me to really make a serious commitment to Christ as a Catholic was a Christian music festival that a friend of mine took me to. There were representatives from all kinds of different churches there: Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, etc. At the time, I was not attending any church. Somebody from the Baptist church gave me a Bible (KJV, of course). I actually decided to read it; I had never read the Bible previously. It did not make me “turn Protestant”. Rather, after reading it all the way through, over several months, I realized that everything that I had learned in elementary school, high school, and college in the Catholic religion/theology classes I took was true. There was nothing in the Bible that contradicted the Catholic Church; rather, the Bible clarified everything the Church teaches (and this was a Protestant version of the Bible that I had read!). I repented of my sin, prayed first to God, then went to my priest and confessed. He welcomed me back. Since then, I have joined an adult Sunday school class at my church, which studies the Bible every week. I also read the Bible daily. I also am a part of a Catholic evangelization group in my church, I help out at a mission meal for the poor which is ecumenical (Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran and Presbyterians all involved), and I have become an EMHC.
 
Hi,
As a born again christian in a non-denom church–probably similar to what you grew up in, I would ask catholics the same exact thing. Catholics do the same exact thing to protestants.😦

BTW, I do not convince catholics to leave their church either. If they ask me questions about my church or want to visit, I would never turn them away. I have a bible study in my house with 2 catholics that go to their respective churches. They have come to events at my church, but I have never asked them to leave theirs. God will lead them where He wants them to be.😃
I’d sort of agree with this.

Lemme explain:
To me, Christianity is all about knowing Christ who told us that he is “…the truth”, and so knowing Him in His fullness means pursuing the fullness of absolute truth. Having spent most of my life outside the Catholic faith, I know very well what n-Cs teach and believe, and I also know (now) what the Catholic Church teaches. In diligently comparing the two against the Word of God and the writings of the ECF I have concluded that Catholic teaching is that of the original New Testament Christianity…and so I evangelize accordingly.

One point that I do need to make is that I consider much of my “witnessing” or faith sharing to be “pre-emptive evangelism” in the sense that I prefer to win others to the Catholic faith rather than have them waste time doing whatever it is they do to win my Catholic brethren away from our most holy faith. Especially, with someone who considers Catholics non-Christian. I consider myself a counter reformer and I make no apology for that since I share my faith out of a sincere concern for the souls of others.

However…if someone says that they are a Christian then I treat them as such and unless they make anti-Catholic assertions or actually ask questions about my faith then I get on about Our Father’s business; fishing for men.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
 
But to speak of unity and to minimize the doctrinal differences is to sacrifice truth on the altar of wishful thinking.
Unity, unless it is based on agreement regarding the content of the gospel, would not be worth the price. To this day, irreconcilable differences exist within Christendom on the most fundamental teaching of the gospel. As the chapters of this book will show, two divergent answers are still given to the question: What must I do to be saved?I agree with him on this anyway.
 
Protestantism is such a mixed bag that it’s difficult to answer the OP’s question. Many Protestants, including members of Evangelical demoninations, consider Catholics brothers in Christ. Of course, you can’t expect Protestants to agree with the Catholic Church’s doctrines on some subjects–if they did, they’d be Catholics. And it’s in the nature and mission of many Protestant churches to reach out and to explain their vision of what constitutes theological truth–they’ll do this to Catholics and to competing Protestant sects alike, brothers in Christ though they be. Fish gotta swim, Evangelicals gotta evangelize.

Indeed, some Protestant sects don’t think Catholics are Christians at all, and strive to 'convert" them. When I’ve seen Protestants trying to evangelize a Catholic into “becoming Christian,” though, we’re talking about the sort of cultural Catholic who might have been reared in the Church after a fashion, but who couldn’t give you a coherent account of who Christ was, or of what His life and death meant. Perhaps Catholics believe that such a man counts as a Christian. But could you blame his interlocutors for disagreeing?
 
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