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Tantum_ergo
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Excuse me, 'lashing out?" Ranting and raving??
I asked a simple question. It was neither rude nor uncharitable.
I asked a simple question. It was neither rude nor uncharitable.
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Napsack
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Jesus was addressing a crowd when someone said that blessed is the womb which held him and Jesus made the statement about those being even more blessed. I think you know exactly what I was referring to. You seem like a pretty smart person with the Latin name and all.
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Napsack
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The comment about Protestants worshipping Bibles was totally ludacrous and nonsensical.Excuse me, 'lashing out?" Ranting and raving??
I asked a simple question. It was neither rude nor uncharitable.
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Napsack
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From the short time Iâve been here, it seems to be happening quite often.
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Tantum_ergo
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Luke 11: Yes, and also, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.
Not 'those who do so are âmore blessedâ, but that they are âlikewiseâ blessed. Those who hear and keep the word of God are part of the family as well.
Not 'those who do so are âmore blessedâ, but that they are âlikewiseâ blessed. Those who hear and keep the word of God are part of the family as well.
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Napsack
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The Bible contains the inspired Word of God. Mary was a vessel used for Jesus to be made incarnate. Big difference.
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Tantum_ergo
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If you will read carefully, you will note that I said âIFâ.
The situation was a hypothetical, but I consider that you have actually proven my point. . .
You were extremely upset at the idea of being accused of something which you did not do, werenât you? (Again, it was a hypothetical)
How do you think, then, that Catholics feel at being accused of something that they do not do?
The situation was a hypothetical, but I consider that you have actually proven my point. . .
You were extremely upset at the idea of being accused of something which you did not do, werenât you? (Again, it was a hypothetical)
How do you think, then, that Catholics feel at being accused of something that they do not do?
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Tantum_ergo
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Napsack, where in Scripture does it say that Mary is âjust a vessel for God to be made Incarnate?â
Further, Scripture âcontains the Inspired Word of Godâ between the leather covers of an inanimate object.
Mary âcontainedâ (to use your analogy) the Living God for 9 months in her human body, as a human being, nourishing Him with that body, giving birth, suckling, caring for and raising the totality of the Living God, accompanying Him to the cross itself. . .
Further, Scripture âcontains the Inspired Word of Godâ between the leather covers of an inanimate object.
Mary âcontainedâ (to use your analogy) the Living God for 9 months in her human body, as a human being, nourishing Him with that body, giving birth, suckling, caring for and raising the totality of the Living God, accompanying Him to the cross itself. . .
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Luke 11:27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, Blessed is the mother who gave birth to you and nursed you and Jesus replied, Blessed RATHER are those who hear the Word of God and obey it.
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Oh please - your hyperbola and sarcasm tells us what you worship.
What is most tragic here is that we have anti-Catholics on a desperate campaign to search among the 1.2 billion or so Catholics world wide from both the living and now from the deceased as well, to find evidence that a single Catholic worships Mary. The best you can come up with so far as candidate evidence is a single Catholics personal prayers (not approved by The Church or incorporated into any liturgy) that venerate Mary as mother and Queen - albeit robustly. Is this the best you can do? And now to degrade into the old infantile common-manâs logic of: âif a single one walks and talks like a duck it must be a duck and as well anything that it flies withâ. Well in the logic extension that would make you an idolatrous bird watcher for the fixation you seem to have on it - now wouldnât it? PleaseâŚ
This was the same kind of hysteria that led to the witch hunts in Protestant Lutheran Germany that burned 26,000 woman at the stake and over a 100,000 more across Europe at large. In the extension of the precedence of your hyperbola this was no doubt a Protestantâs idea of a proper burnt-offering sacrifice to God???
Sorry for going there - but I needed to highlight the absurdity of the standards of reason you are standing on.
Letâs say for the sake of argument we even reversed the standards of justice and withdrew the principle of a âreasonable benefit of the doubtâ to this regarded Saint who made this prayer and let you declare before God and Man your judgement that he is guilty of idolatry - that is 1 man out of 1.2 billion now living (and many billions more deceased). Does that make all of Catholicism Marian worshippers in your personal court of justice? Remember
God will judge you as you yourself judge others - so help you God.
BTW - I personally hope this saint you have maligned is present at your judgement when God asks you to account for why you did not worship God or venerate His Saints to even a fraction of what this man likely did over his life.
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Napsack
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Wonderful! Why carry on about her? Jesus is our life our sweetness and our hope. Many saints did many great things. They were all human beings just as Mary was.
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Tantum_ergo
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Iâm not 'carrying on about her", Napsack. Iâm giving her the reverence she is due.
Now, if you ask me about the worship that I give to God, I can tell you that, compared to the reverence I have given to Mary as you have seen, it is as far beyond that as the heavens are above the earth.
Now, if you ask me about the worship that I give to God, I can tell you that, compared to the reverence I have given to Mary as you have seen, it is as far beyond that as the heavens are above the earth.
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Napsack
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Your actions have surely shown otherwise. I think that is what so many people are seeing and speaking of.
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Tantum_ergo
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Iâve seen Luke 11 without the âratherâ but it would only mean that âthose who hear and keep the word of Godâ would be blessed âinstead ofâ Mary IF Mary herself did NOT 'hear and keep the word of God.
Instead, Jesus acknowledges that Mary is blessed with the âYESâ part, doesnât He? And He never in Scripture says that Mary does not hear and keep the word of God, does He?
Therefore, not only is she blessed in being the one who bore Jesus, but alsoâratherâshe is blessed, like us, because she hears and keeps Godâs word.
Instead, Jesus acknowledges that Mary is blessed with the âYESâ part, doesnât He? And He never in Scripture says that Mary does not hear and keep the word of God, does He?
Therefore, not only is she blessed in being the one who bore Jesus, but alsoâratherâshe is blessed, like us, because she hears and keeps Godâs word.
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Napsack
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For Godâs sake, you argue about the version of Scripture I quoted from and then you cut and paste and then twist to try and keep Mary where you want her in the passage. Read what it says. period.
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Tantum_ergo
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Let me be sure I have this straight.
I come right out and tell you that I reverence Mary, and that I worship God. I come right out and tell you that you have seen examples of that reverence, and that my worship of God is âas far above that as the heavens are above the earthâ.
And you come back with the post above.
How do you dare to tell me that âmy actions have surely shown otherwise?â
You became extremely upset when you erroneously thought that someone had judged âprotestantsâ unfairly, not even you âpersonallyâ. . .
Yet you can turn around, and basically claim that no matter what I say, Iâm a LIAR according to you? You can accuse me falsely and thatâs perfectly fine to deny my words and impugn my truthfulness?
Is this what you are really saying?
Are you calling me a liar? How else am I to understand your words of âyour actions have shown otherwiseâ other than that you saying to me, âYou lie?â
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Tantum_ergo
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How am I âcutting and pasting?â You yourself posted the Scripture of âYes, ratherâ. . are you trying to deny that Jesus said âYesâ and acknowledged that Mary was blessed for bearing Him?
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Napsack
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It doesnât say Yes, Rather. Jesus just says Rather. What are you driving at here?
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Non_Serviam
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Napsack
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WHat?? It says what it saysâŚ
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