To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!

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RobHom said:
You should go…our Church is open to all.

Go, and see for yourself…form your own opinion based upon actual “experience” not hotlinks that you’ve googled for…

You might be surprised. And I doubt very seriously that anyone will try to “convert” you…🙂
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Rob Hom - that is something I really do want to do…go and sit through a Mass…is partaking of the Eucharist open to all?
There really would be no sense in going for an “actual experience” if it’s not…would there?..but then again what with this “Woman of the Eucharist” it takes on a whole different meaning…in the Pope’s words…“in a sense”. 😉
 
Leeann said:
No, I have never been to mass.

As to it being all about the worship of Jesus…according to below, it’s no longer just Jesus…Mary is received also…“in a certain sense”.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20041014_anno-eucaristia_en.html

THE YEAR OF THE EUCHARIST
SUGGESTIONS AND PROPOSALS

Mary: icon of the “Eucharistic” Church
  1. “If we wish to rediscover in all its richness the profound relationship between the Church and the Eucharist, we cannot neglect Mary, Mother and model of the Church.” Thus does the sixth chapter of the Encyclical Ecclesia de Eucharistia exhort us, where John Paul II recalls the profound relation that Mary possesses with the Eucharist and with the Church that lives from the Sacrament of the altar. The encounter with “God with us and for us” includes the Virgin Mary.
    The Year of the Eucharist is a favorable occasion to intensify our reflection on this facet of the Mystery. So as more profoundly to live the sense of the Eucharistic Celebration, in order that it mark our lives, there is no better way than to let oneself be “taught” by Mary, “woman of the Eucharist”.
    Apropos, it is important to remember what the Pope said in Rosarium Virginis Mariae n. 15, concerning the act of “being conformed to Christ with Mary”: she “enables us to enter naturally into Christ’s life and as it were to share his deepest feelings.” On the other hand – the Pope continues in Ecclesia de Eucharistia – in the Eucharistic Celebration, in a certain sense, we always receive, along with the memorial of the death of Christ, the gift of Mary, a gift made to us at the foot of the cross in the person of John (Behold your mother: Jn. 19:27): “Experiencing the memorial of Christ’s death in the Eucharist also means continually receiving this gift. It means accepting – like John – the one who is given to us anew as our Mother It also means taking on a commitment to be conformed to Christ, putting ourselves at the school of his Mother and allowing her to accompany us. Mary is present, with the Church and as the Mother of the Church, at each of our celebrations of the Eucharist.” (Ecclesia de Eucharistia, 57)
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No Christian should have a problem with this. I gather that you don’t fully understand what is being said and are therefore, confused by it.

**Pray for dicernment and wisdom. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get it and join Jesus’ Church. **
But, you’ll have to dump the silly sarcasm of many of your posts. . .👍
 
Protestants equate prayer with worship. In order to have a debate about this particular topic you must first agree to definitions.
 
elvisman said:
No Christian should have a problem with this. I gather that you don’t fully understand what is being said and are therefore, confused by it.

Pray for dicernment and wisdom. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get it and join Jesus’ Church.
But, you’ll have to dump the silly sarcasm of many of your posts. . .👍
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Yessssss…well I’ll try to follow your example! 😉
 
Leeann said:
You yourself Soutane have stated that this may be possible - due to a “woeful ignorance” of some Catholics. Post # 66.

Also:

The Catholic Encyclopedia (New Advent site) – states “worship is paid to her”.
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*As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, **the worship paid to her ***is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
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Believe me, I can relate to how you’re feeling…from the other side though….and especially since you have twice implied “calumny” on my part, where the above proves this to be unacceptable and false.

But I’ve never claimed that ALL Catholics worship Mary……so it doesn’t make any sense at all.

With regards to Adrift’s statement that the eucharist is **“All **about the worship of Jesus” and the posting taken from the Vatican website about Mary – “Woman of the Eucharist” – (just a portion, but the whole document is quite enlightening and other references that it points to with regards *to Mary’s role in this particular worship practice *within the Catholic Church) – do you have any comments that might clarify or make a distinction that Jesus is the recipient of **ALL **the worship?

This would tie in also with an excerpt from another posting of yours:

Soutane: Post #99
Non-Catholics seem to regard prayer as worship, Catholics do not, although prayer CAN be part of worship which for us is participation in the mass. The ABSOLUTE in worship and adoration.

Do you NOT have any bonehead Protestants within your fold?I’m sure that we have SOME delusional Catholics who worship the BVM and they are to be pitied and corrected.By your tone you are indicting the whole Church for the errors and misdeeds of a misguided few.That is why I have used the word calumny as you have been charitably corrected and you continue to accuse us of mariolatary.Please join me in prayer for these few misguided Catholics.Also please search for a thread where I and many others here excoriated a published article where some fool indicated that the BVM is present in the Eucharist.I’d find and list the post for you but I don’t know how.

Gramphen if you are reading this thread,this is what I was referring to.
 
elvisman said:
*** You’re being sarcastic again*** . . .:whistle:
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This woman is not here to learn.She is here to bash.She is using the exercise of semantics and Protestant word definition to tell us what we REALLY believe.Leean,God who is omniscient(unlike you or me )understands our INTENT which is all that matters.Not your very demonstrably fallible and incorrect opinion.What we object to is your uncharitable insistance that we are Mary worshippers after repeated correction.

Do you worship the Bible?Doyou handle snakes?Sure you do! I know you do.It’s common knowledge.Yes we understand that you say you don’t BUT we KNOW that you really do.😉
 
Originally Posted by elvisman
No Christian should have a problem with this. I gather that you don’t fully understand what is being said and are therefore, confused by it.
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Pray for dicernment and wisdom. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get it and join Jesus’ Church.

But, you’ll have to dump the silly sarcasm of many of your posts. . .👍
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Response Leeann:
Yessssss…well I’ll try to follow your example! 😉
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elvisman:
You’re being sarcastic again . . .:whistle:
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I guess “saracasm” is in the eye of the beholder… :whistle:
 
Soutane said:
This woman is not here to learn.She is here to bash.She is using the exercise of semantics and Protestant word definition to tell us what we REALLY believe.Leean,God who is omniscient(unlike you or me )understands our INTENT which is all that matters.Not your very demonstrably fallible and incorrect opinion.What we object to is your uncharitable insistance that we are Mary worshippers after repeated correction.
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First you claim to know why I am here and what my intentions are…but then you go on to state that God alone in omniscient …

And then you continue in a huff about my “uncharitable insistence that you are Mary worshippers - after repeated correction”, even though I’ve stated “repeatedly” that I’ve never claimed that ALL Catholics worship Mary…

There are posts where you spout out all sorts of “uncharitable comments” to other posters, but you don’t see that…???
A “heads up” - what you have posted below, may be considered “sarcasm” to some here…and if it continues…they may send one of these little “whistling” guys along to you! :whistle: - just thought I’d let you know.
Soutane:
Do you worship the Bible?Doyou handle snakes?Sure you do! I know you do.It’s common knowledge.Yes we understand that you say you don’t BUT we KNOW that you really do.😉
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Soutane - I loved this post of yours,seriously! And while I’m not taking it lightly at all…I know that I’ve put you off centre by your last posting and want to try and calm you down a bit…
Soutane:
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Do you NOT have any bonehead Protestants within your fold?
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**CERTAINLY NOT!..…**We left all the boneheads behind at the Reformation.

(……a JOKE……I’m JOKING……I could have as easily posted***….”No…Martin Luther died quite awhile ago”…***…and you’d be laughing right now, instead of reaching for your blood pressure medication………yes you would………you know you would………:yup: )
Soutane:
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I’m sure that we have SOME delusional Catholics who worship the BVM and they are to be pitied and corrected.
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There!….Now was that so hard to admit and post!

It’s good to purge every once and awhile – get it all out there………
(by the way……the Pope doesn’t have access to this Forum does he?)

besides, there are SOME delusional Protestants that have come and gone over the years, we can’t hide that fact, nor should there be a need too…we’re all human.🤷
Soutane:
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By your tone you are indicting the whole Church for the errors and misdeeds of a misguided few.
That is why I have used the word calumny as you have been charitably corrected and you continue to accuse us of mariolatary.
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I have to admit that you have a point and I understand how it must seem to you.

(I’d go further and actually apologize……however I noticed that while you explained the reason as to why you used that awful word “calumny”….you didn’t actually apologize for using it…but I hear what you’re saying….:rolleyes: )
Soutane:
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Please join me in prayer for these few misguided Catholics.
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I’d **love **to join you in prayer………… just one question……who are you going to be praying too/through….oops!..awkward situation here……😊
Soutane:
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Also please search for a thread where I and many others here excoriated a published article where some fool indicated that the BVM is present in the Eucharist.
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I’d love do to this for you, but I don’t know what the word “excoriated” means….is it acceptable for me to use a “secular dictionary”….or is this one of those words that needs a Catholic translation……and when you say “fool”….do you mean “Protestant bonehead” type, or “Catholic bonehead” type?

(….JOKING……poking fun at “myself” and previous posts……)
Soutane:
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I’d find and list the post for you but I don’t know how.
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I’ll fess up…it was me who posted it…from the Vatican website.

**THE YEAR OF THE EUCHARIST
SUGGESTIONS AND PROPOSALS

Mary: icon of the “Eucharistic” Church**
Who’s “Gramphen” ??? Are you calling in the “heavies” now Soutane…:confused:
 
Leeann, I have read a number of your posts in this thread and it seems you have a personal problem with Catholics liking and venerating His saints. God does not have a problem with this so why should you spend so much time venerating us with your attention? Is it a matter of love that you pay Catholics so much attention? 😃

James
 
CentralFLJames said:
Leeann, I have read a number of your posts in this thread and it seems you have a personal problem with Catholics liking and venerating His saints. God does not have a problem with this so why should you spend so much time venerating us with your attention? **Is it a matter of love that you pay Catholics so much attention? **😃

James
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As a matter of fact it is!

Most of my Catholic friends venerate Mary, however there a couple that have, over the years gotten to a point where Christ/God is not even mentioned anymore or alluded too in conversation, due to their focus being concentrated on Mary….and not for the purpose of her leading the way to her Son…but specifically for what “she” does for them……He’s never mentioned….the entrance hallways to one of their homes resembles a shrine to Mary and in the other’s a bedroom has become shrine like also….statues/prayer cards/rosary beads….all Marian….and it really does “appear” like another religion when you experience a conversation with them. There eyes literally glaze over at the mention of Jesus’ name and they begin talking about Mary and all her wonders.
One actually told me that it is safer to go to Mary….she’d rather go to her than to Jesus as she was a bit afraid of Him.

I’ve been trying to understand for awhile now,what has happened to them…whether it is their lack of understanding as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches – however they seemed to have had the same grasp of understanding for quite some time as to what some have exhibited in here and other forums of discussion and as my other Catholic friends do, what I mean to say is that they aren’t able apparently, to ‘distinguish’ the differences of worship…as is evidenced in their actions/reactions (see above).

Then I saw this particular thread:

“To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!”

I wasn’t quite expecting what I found when I read the opening post for it.
I think the word “ALL” made me take notice and set me off!:rolleyes:

While at times it’s been a bumpy ride - if nothing else, I am sure getting a variety of comments and questions and different Catholic perspectives, even from reading other posts that aren’t mine.
 
Leeann said:
As a matter of fact it is!

Most of my Catholic friends venerate Mary, however there a couple that have, over the years gotten to a point where Christ/God is not even mentioned anymore or alluded too in conversation, due to their focus being concentrated on Mary….and not for the purpose of her leading the way to her Son…but specifically for what “she” does for them……He’s never mentioned….the entrance hallways to one of their homes resembles a shrine to Mary and in the other’s a bedroom has become shrine like also….statues/prayer cards/rosary beads….all Marian….and it really does “appear” like another religion when you experience a conversation with them. There eyes literally glaze over at the mention of Jesus’ name and they begin talking about Mary and all her wonders.
One actually told me that it is safer to go to Mary….she’d rather go to her than to Jesus as she was a bit afraid of Him.

I’ve been trying to understand for awhile now,what has happened to them…whether it is their lack of understanding as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches – however they seemed to have had the same grasp of understanding for quite some time as to what some have exhibited in here and other forums of discussion and as my other Catholic friends do, what I mean to say is that they aren’t able apparently, to ‘distinguish’ the differences of worship…as is evidenced in their actions/reactions (see above).

Then I saw this particular thread:

“To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!”

I wasn’t quite expecting what I found when I read the opening post for it.
I think the word “ALL” made me take notice and set me off!:rolleyes:

While at times it’s been a bumpy ride - if nothing else, I am sure getting a variety of comments and questions and different Catholic perspectives, even from reading other posts that aren’t mine.
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Perhaps what you think about your Catholic friends is nothing more than a ‘self-fulfilled prophecy’. 😉
 
Do you my friend have peace with God? Do you know sure that when you die that you will be in heaven with God? Do you want to have a personal relationship with the living God? Through faith in Jesus Christ as you rpersonal Savior these assurances can be yours.

Let Jesus Come Into Your Heart
John 3:16; Eph. 2:8-9.

If you are tired of the load of your sin,
Let Jesus come into your heart;
If you desire a new life to begin,
Let Jesus come into your heart.
Just now, your doubtings give o’er;
Just now, reject Him no more;
Just now, throw open the door;
Let Jesus come into your heart.
If it’s for purity now that you sigh,
Let Jesus come into your heart;
Fountains for cleansing are flowing nearby,
Let Jesus come into your heart.
Just now, your doubtings give o’er;
Just now, reject Him no more;
Just now, throw open the door;
Let Jesus come into your heart.
If there’s a tempest your voice cannot still,
Let Jesus come into your heart;
If there’s a void this world never can fill,
Let Jesus come into your heart.
Just now, your doubtings give o’er;
Just now, reject Him no more;
Just now, throw open the door;
Let Jesus come into your heart.
If you would join the glad songs of the blest,
Let Jesus come into your heart;
If you would enter the mansions of rest,
Let Jesus come into your heart.
Just now, your doubtings give o’er;
Just now, reject Him no more;
Just now, throw open the door;
Let Jesus come into your heart.
 
Lets Just Put Leeann On Our Ignore List Because She Is Not Here To Learn But To Bash Cathloics
 
DLC said:
Do you my friend have peace with God? Do you know sure that when you die that you will be in heaven with God? Do you want to have a personal relationship with the living God? Through faith in Jesus Christ as you rpersonal Savior these assurances can be yours.

Let Jesus Come Into Your Heart
John 3:16; Eph. 2:8-9.

If you are tired of the load of your sin,
Let Jesus come into your heart;
If you desire a new life to begin,
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Let Jesus come into your heart.
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DLC - is this a Protestant Altar Call or Salvation Campaign Prayer or an exorcism you are attempting here? 😉

Most of us here are Catholics and we have accepted Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior long long ago at our Catholic Baptism when we put our trust and faith in Him. We know that if we hold to that faith and trust him all our lives and do not turn away from him we are confident that God will judge us worthy of salvation and save us in Christ. However we do not presume upon His sovereign judgement that any of us can judge ourselves “saved” until He says so since only God knows the true interior state of one’s soul as well as the properness of their belief in God and His Son and in following ALL his commandments - including being obedient to His Church and His divinely appointed authorities on earth through The Church that Jesus is head of in Heaven.

The Apostle’s Creed
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried and He descended to the dead. On the third day He rose again and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church , the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen

Accept the Full Teaching and Faith of Christ And Enter Into His Church - Become Catholic

James
 
Leeann said:
DLC - that’s beautiful what you posted, is that a song?
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Catholics worship the Lord in the highest form possible; The Holy Mass. That is something that all other faiths lack ( I’m not going into it about the Eastern Church’s Divine Liturgy). Since all the Protestant churches lack this highest form of worship, they must resort to a lesser form of praising God; hence singing and prayers, which, are good and noble, but are NOT the Mass. And, BTW, what “song” are you talking about? I hope it’s not a sarcastic little remark about the OP’s title, now is it?
 
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