To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!

[Always_For_Him]

Where did you come from? Sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use to paint their opponents to try and make them look not just wrong but simplistic and wrong. It doesn’t work in the eyes of truth. Catholics have no right whatesoever to declare their knowledge and understanding as superior to anyone elses Protestant or Orthodox and have no right to tell others that they are ignorant of the faith when they disagree with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks, sorry.

WOW!!! You are in so deep that you can’t see how uninformed and wrong you are. Sola Scriptura wac invented by Martin Luther less than 500 years ago. It was NOT EVER a Catholic practice. Just read Martin Luther’s writings yourself, you will quickly see your error. You are SO blinded by your non-Catholic teaching that you don’t even realize that you are following traditions and teachings of man that separated themselves from Christ’s Church in the 1500’s.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Those old catholic women you see in daily mass have never studied the bible, yet have been receiving daily communion for decades.

Yet remember they have heard 3x the Scripture in Mass than what could be expected in a typical fundamentalist or evangelical church service, and if they attend daily Mass, may well be exposed to much, much more daily scripture than anyone who subscribes to the notion of sola scriptura.

 

[codebilly]

Yet remember they have heard 3x the Scripture in Mass than what could be expected in a typical fundamentalist or evangelical church service, and if they attend daily Mass, may well be exposed to much, much more daily scripture than anyone who subscribes to the notion of sola scriptura.

– That’s right! More evidence of the “living Word”!

 

[Always_For_Him]

Actually Christ answered Satan with scripture. It is imperative that everyone know the word of God and use it as a defense against the enemy of our souls.
The Catholic Church has proved to me to be totally unreliable that is why I do not trust her with interpreting scripture which is alive and gives life to our soul and to our spirit if we allow it to.

You spout this stuff because that is what you have been taught. Take your blinders off. You obviously have not done ANY historical homework. Just a cursory look would show you what we are saying is True. Your bias and pride is keeping you from the Truth. The Catholic Church is who she says she is. She was founded by Jese on the Apostles, brought YOU the Bible and we are still here today, the same Church teaching the precise meaning and CONTEXT of Jesus Word. You can be in denial all you want, it doesn’t change that we are telling the Truth. It will take you being WILLING to consider that you have been taught error and let the facts that you have not let in before, open your eyes!

 

[CentralFLJames]

Sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use to paint their opponents to try and make them look not just wrong but simplistic and wrong.

No, it is the foolishness inherent in the false human precept that scripture can self-teach itself that make those being duped through the underlying spirit of presumption and pride look so foolish when they are confronted with the spirit of Truth. God humbles the proud and what you are speaking is is put into your mouth by arrogant and proud men - heretics who did not personally know Christ or any of his apostles.

Listen - scripture is complex. It is NOT easy to just pick it up and read and understand it. This was NOT the way that God ever intended His Word to be received. God wanted you to receive His Word from a divinely appointed apostolic teacher through THEIR TEACHING. **The Bible is NOT a self-help do-it-yourself instruction manual. Would you dare to sit down with a medical book and attempt to perform open heart surgery on somone by reading the instruction?? NO! Then why would you attempt to perform surgery on some-one’s soul by reading the Bible and telling them how they should conduct themselves so they have eternal life!!! INSANITY. **

One MUST be taught and also taught the correct contexts, traditions and underlying principals that are all cross related and integrated into the holistic bible message. The only people who can properly teach scripture as Jesus and the apostles intended it are those who actually personally received the apostolic teaching from somone who actually knew Jesus an the apostles.

Guess what? The Catholic Church (and Orthodox) are the only Churches on the planet who have a continuous handed down apostolic succession and teaching tradition. What we teach is what the apostles actually taught - not what some nerdy loner in an academic school read and imagined was taught. How can anyone get the proper context by reading about something that happened 2000 years ago? Impossible.

From am apostolic underpinning we Catholic know and can almost feel as if present that when Jesus said 'yes, rather blessed are those who hear my words and obey them; we can tell you with confidence what he is really saying. In that passage Jesus is smiling warmly while looking at his mother and then smiling inclusively while looking at the anxious and excited crowd of common men and woman (the women there are almost emotional wrecks with excitement that the prophesies are coming true before there very eyes and are lovingly-envious too of seeing Mary who is chosen one foretold by the prophets as the Jewish woman who would bear Messiah); and then Jesus reaches his arm out inclusively as if gathering them all in with body language with an uplifting voice says ‘but YOU TOO can be blessed!’ . Jesus was inclusive - he never would have publicly chastised, rebuked or embarrassed his mother in front of strangers!! Even if she has done something wrong - which is certainly not the case! Heavens, one has to jump through tortured hoops of contempt and hatred of truth to conjure up the idea that Jesus was rebuking His mother in that passage. Can’t you see the utter lie and error as plainly as Catholics can in that contemptuous Reformer teaching??? It’s called brainwashing and that is exactly what the Communists do when they create a revolution - they demonize somone. You are falling for the lie.

So get out of the sterile-literal trap of sola scriptura and actually live and hear scripture as the apostles heard and spoke it. Only the Catholic church has this insight.

Peter, James and John were friends of ours; we knew these men; the Reformers did not know Jesus or the apostles or anyone succors of them; the Reformers were not friends of Jesus or the apostles and are not friends of God.

Pax,
James

 

[Always_For_Him]

Actually Christ answered Satan with scripture. It is imperative that everyone know the word of God and use it as a defense against the enemy of our souls.
The Catholic Church has proved to me to be totally unreliable that is why I do not trust her with interpreting scripture which is alive and gives life to our soul and to our spirit if we allow it to.

Actually, Christ answered Satan with His Words. Scripture, as you call it, was taught for generations by the Catholic Church before it was EVER written down! The men who separated themselves from Christ’s Church, the heretics, schismics, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and everyone who followed them, ARE following and teaching anti-Apostolic, self-interpretation as Truth, so they should be worried about their souls. The Catholic Church is NOT the enemy. Are you saying that Jesus’s Church, the one HE FOUNDED, is the enemy? You are just so far off the path.

The Catholic Church is 2,000 years stable. You have been lured away by the unreliable. You are relying on teachings of MAN over Jesus’ Church that is guided by His Authority. Generations later, how could you possibly know the Truth unless you search history for it. Your Church is going to teach you THEIR history, their tradition, their personal interpretation, NOT the true history of the ONLY Church of Christ.

Did your Church write the Bible? I don’t mean made changes to it and then re-printed it. I mean did they originally determine the canon and pen it? Since your answer HAS to be “No, the Catholic Church wrote it”, then you really have no choice but to submit to the Catholic Church’s teachings on the meaning and context of the NT. There is just no other answer.

 

[CentralFLJames]

Actually Christ answered Satan with scripture. It is imperative that everyone know the word of God and use it as a defense against the enemy of our souls.
The Catholic Church has proved to me to be totally unreliable that is why I do not trust her with interpreting scripture which is alive and gives life to our soul and to our spirit if we allow it to.

Actually - Christ answered Satan with true teaching of scripture - the same authorative teaching He passed on to the Apostles and the Apostolic Church - the Catholic Church.

What you imagine is unreliable is your own private twisting of scripture. You can’t claim yourself infallible at the same time you call the apostolic church to be fallable without claiming you are chosen by God to be a teacher of the faith - that is blasphemy…

James

 

[RobHom]

Where did you come from?

Me, where did I come from…??? My mother, 58 years and 5 months ago, and beyond that I have been on this site for several years… I would have to ask you the same thing…

Sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use to paint their opponents to try and make them look not just wrong but simplistic and wrong.

LOL…wrong…you are. Sola scriptura is not a Catholic concept. You have been grievously misled, and you need to “jack up” the malcontent that is feeding you the malarkey on a regular basis before you choke and suffocate on it…

Sola scriptura was a "made made invention/tradition that came out of the “reformation”…about 500 years ago… Maybe you should spend some time studying history from sources other than the propagandizing sources that you have been that are, well…totally erroneous.

It doesn’t work in the eyes of truth.

LOL… I kind of like you… You’re good for some “chuckles”… seriously… you are. Truth is a tricky thing…especially when you lack objectiveness and the ability to look at things and make cognitive decisions… The abject lack of free will is a killer.

Catholics have no right whatesoever to declare their knowledge and understanding as superior to anyone elses

And yet you “demand” that you possess that “right”… LOL!!

But you may want to contemplate that…but here’s the real trick:
If you are going to try to ascertain the “truth”…is it not necessary to contemplate all that is involved, not from an agenda or a preconceived notional purview, but rather from a neutral and inquisitive perspective, so as to arrive at a definitive answer?

Protestant or Orthodox and have no right to tell others that they are ignorant of the faith when they disagree with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks, sorry.

Hmmmm, old dog, new tricks… Actually, if you knew what your were talking about…you would not say that.

Also, I have not said you were ignorant of the “faith”… I do not sit in judgment of anyone… but I will say that I think someone, or you may lack understanding of something… Afterall, is that not precisely what you do?

 

[RobHom]

Wow, this myth of saint-worship by Catholics is still going around?

Uh, yeah… Remember what “Forrest Gump” said???

 

[RobHom]

Sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use to paint their opponents to try and make them look not just wrong but simplistic and wrong. .

LOL…you’re really new at this aren’t you??

Maybe you would like to sharpen your pencil and get a little better at the game… read here:

gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html

ewtn.com/library/scriptur/solascri.txt

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

cin.org/users/james/files/practicl.htm

bible.ca/sola-scriptura-start.htm

Yeah… its a “Catholic conspiracy”…

There is an old saying that goes like this: **Never show up at a gun fight with a dull knife… **

Am I being “condescending”… no, I’m not. I’m just trying to educate you.

 

[Napsack]

WOW!!! You are in so deep that you can’t see how uninformed and wrong you are. Sola Scriptura wac invented by Martin Luther less than 500 years ago. It was NOT EVER a Catholic practice. Just read Martin Luther’s writings yourself, you will quickly see your error. You are SO blinded by your non-Catholic teaching that you don’t even realize that you are following traditions and teachings of man that separated themselves from Christ’s Church in the 1500’s.

You need prayed for. That’s all I can say. Wow!

 

[Napsack]

LOL…you’re really new at this aren’t you??

Maybe you would like to sharpen your pencil and get a little better at the game… read here:

gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html

ewtn.com/library/scriptur/solascri.txt

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

cin.org/users/james/files/practicl.htm

bible.ca/sola-scriptura-start.htm

Yeah… its a “Catholic conspiracy”…

There is an old saying that goes like this: **Never show up at a gun fight with a dull knife… **

Am I being “condescending”… no, I’m not. I’m just trying to educate you.

I never said that Catholics invented it, I said that they use it (over use it). Now, about your pencil…

 

[Napsack]

Listen - scripture is complex. It is NOT easy to just pick it up and read and understand it. This was NOT the way that God ever intended His Word to be received. God wanted you to receive His Word from a divinely appointed apostolic teacher through THEIR TEACHING. **The Bible is NOT a self-help do-it-yourself instruction manual. Would you dare to sit down with a medical book and attempt to perform open heart surgery on somone by reading the instruction?? NO! Then why would you attempt to perform surgery on some-one’s soul by reading the Bible and telling them how they should conduct themselves so they have eternal life!!! INSANITY. **

So that is why Paul’s letters written to the many groups of people he preached to should be completely left to other people to interpret for us? Go pound that to someone else.

Hmmm, so why then did they separate in the Great Schism and today don’t recognize your Eucharist as valid and disregard the Supreme Pontificate and dismiss the Catholic dogmas of Mary?

 

[RobHom]

I never said that Catholics invented it, I said that they use it (over use it). Now, about your pencil…

No my friend…it is your pencil that needs sharpening, and your education needs serious expansion…

You attempted to claim that sola scriptura was a Catholic invention that was illegitimately used to label Protestants…but both facts and history point to your ignorance in the matter.

 

[nbtb1348]

You need prayed for. That’s all I can say. Wow!

He needs way prayed for Bro. I Tim. 4:1 I would like to watch him talk to a Jehovah’s Witness and see what they recognized in each other. You know what the common threads are, right?

 

[Napsack]

No my friend…it is your pencil that needs sharpening, and your education needs serious expansion…

You attempted to claim that sola scriptura was a Catholic invention that was illegitimately used to label Protestants…but both facts and history point to your ignorance in the matter.

Now you are making radical assumptions and putting words in my mouth. I never said that Catholics invented sola scriptura, period. I’m not going to entertain your feeble attempt to make a false point of ignorance here.

 

[RobHom]

Hmmm, so why then did they separate in the Great Schism and today don’t recognize your Eucharist as valid and disregard the Supreme Pontificate and dismiss the Catholic dogmas of Mary?

Uh…gee, I suppose you’ve been working up to this, and you have some real “enlightening” whoopee cushion of a message to lay on us regarding this “schism”…

But where Mary is concerned…you might just want to “tread carefully” lest you step on a “bouncing betty” and get emasculated.

Read here: orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/dmitri_veneration_mary.htm

orthodoxphotos.com/readings/Orthodox_Church/The_Virgin_Mary.shtml

orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/theotokos.aspx

As to all, they may differ in some modes of theology, but probably much of it, unfortunately, can be explained as differences in politics, shameful as it may seem to be.

However… the Orthodox are far closer to Roman Catholics than you may realize…

On the issue of the Eucharist, I might be tempted to suggest that you spend a few moments…actually several minutes reading at this link, however, I would appreciate it if you would take no less than three deep breaths, one at a time, and each time you expel your breath…say: Satan depart from me! Then after you have done that, go to this link and read what the “Orthodox”…aka “our slightly differentiating Brethren” have to say about the “Eucharist”: oca.org/OCChapter.asp?SID=2&ID=53

More:

aggreen.net/eucharist/eucharist.html

Ohhhhhh NNooooo, Mr. Billllllllll, eeeeekkkk oh no, oh no, arrgghhh…heres the killer of them alllllllll…

ehow.com/how_2054625_receive-communion-orthodox-church.html

Ummmm, errr, ahem…uh…just in case you “missed” it, here is the “salient statement” from the prior link:

Orthodox Christians believe that the bread and wine consecrated during Communion transforms into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. Here’s how to properly receive Communion in the Orthodox Church

Whoaaaa, SHAZAMMMMM!! NOW IS THAT “POSSIBLE”?? After all, wasn’t there a “great SCHISM”???

Problem is…people who are “clueless” expostulating, or would that be “regurgitating fallacies ad nauseum”… on subjects for which they have ZERO knowledge, or have erroneously accepted the word of “false prophets, false teachers, harridans, shills, bearers of false witness, and asundry other “losers””???

A man once said: It is far wiser to keep one’s mouth closed and appear foolish than to open it and prove it…

 

[RobHom]

Now you are making radical assumptions and putting words in my mouth. I never said that Catholics invented sola scriptura, period. I’m not going to entertain your feeble attempt to make a false point of ignorance here.

Nice try “buckaroo”… but in fact you did… or are you suffering from “short term memory loss”?

 

[RobHom]

Where did you come from? *** Sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use to paint their opponents to try and make them look not just wrong but simplistic and wrong.*** It doesn’t work in the eyes of truth. Catholics have no right whatesoever to declare their knowledge and understanding as superior to anyone elses Protestant or Orthodox and have no right to tell others that they are ignorant of the faith when they disagree with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks, sorry.

Do you by any chance “recall” this post that you made? Please take note of your “allegation”…which by the way is a violation of the prohibition of bearing false witness… wherein “you” allege the sola scriptura is a concept that Catholics use. Now, any “dolt” with a single clue as to the vernacular or even formal usage of the English language would understand that you are making a bold accusation that Catholics manufactured sola scriptura as a weapon to use on the dastardly “protestants”… But, my friend, you are grossly in error…and on two points:

1. History screams in your face that you are wrong (picture here that Bill the Cat is on a really bummed out trip and shrieking at you in disgust)
2. You are absolutely ignorant about what you profess to believe, or are the product of some harridan/shill in a really weird cult and are in dire need of a “deprogrammer”.

If you are going to shovel “feces” you really need to keep track of where you shovel it…otherwise you are going to slip and fall face down in it as you have done already several times now…

 

[RobHom]

Now you are making radical assumptions and putting words in my mouth. I never said that Catholics invented sola scriptura, period. I’m not going to entertain your feeble attempt to make a false point of ignorance here.

No, merely pointing out facts that you are trying to “conveniently” forget or displace… I have no need of putting words in your mouth, you do quite well at it…all by yourself…

You are like so many others…you make statements, but then after being called out on them,…you try to disavow them or disassociate yourself from your own works… My, my, my…how xtian of you!!

I’m not making a false point of ignorance… I’m merely pointing out your errors, and what seems to be the greatest of your errors, in that you erroneously think that we are as illiterate as you…

Ignorance is bliss, so I can only conclude that you are feeling pretty blissful right about now…