To The Jews: Suppose You Found Out Christ Truly Exists...

[Cathdefender]

This is a “what if” question and I’d really like some serious replies from Jews and atheists alike…what if the NT was everything it said it was and Christ does actually exist…what would you do? I mean if you really, sincerely knew he does exist…what would you do?

 

[Kaninchen]

This is a “what if” question and I’d really like some serious replies from Jews and atheists alike…what if the NT was everything it said it was and Christ does actually exist…what would you do? I mean if you really, sincerely knew he does exist…what would you do?

Exactly how is this miraculous revelation supposed to take place?

 

[Cathdefender]

Exactly how is this miraculous revelation supposed to take place?

Kaninchen, that is not the question. The question is what would you do? Simple. Don’t make it any complicated than what you already tried to do.

 

[Kaninchen]

Kaninchen, that is not the question. The question is what would you do? Simple. Don’t make it any complicated than what you already tried to do.

Well, I’m not prepared to speculate on a purely hypothetical situation.

Sorry

 

[Shoshana]

Maybe because Jesus was a Jew?

 

[Cathdefender]

What is wrong with you? Do you like to argue?? It is a question I would like to hear from the Jews and atheists , it is a clear cut question…geez…

 

[Cathdefender]

Well, I’m not prepared to speculate on a purely hypothetical situation.

Sorry

The question is ‘what if’’, it isn’t a purely hypothetical question, but just a question. If you are afraid to answer it, so be it.

 

[LilyM]

Well the NT contains little nuggets declaring Jesus to be God, doing away with Jewish dietary law and divorce law, declaring non-circumcised non-Jews to be saved and things like that.

Things that go the heart of the Jewish faith, and made it difficult even for the first Jewish converts to Christianity (many of whom didn’t want to accept Gentiles, wanted to continue circumcision etc etc).

 

[Shoshana]

Well, I’m not prepared to speculate on a purely hypothetical situation.

Sorry

The Jews I know love to deliberate…speculation or not. So your statement is not, what I consider, from your average Jew. And if you are not prepared to speculate, why respond to this thread???

And sorry doesn’t cut it…

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

This is a “what if” question and I’d really like some serious replies from Jews and atheists alike…what if the NT was everything it said it was and Christ does actually exist…what would you do? I mean if you really, sincerely knew he does exist…what would you do?

People can exist without being of any spiritual or ethical importance - that Jesus of Nazareth is admitted to be a really historical person, does not by itself tell us anything about Him. (Names by themselves are no guide at all as to whether the being named is historical or fictional.)​

Rabbi Akiba (for instance) is very definitely an historical person - that does not tell us whether he is important within Judaism, nor (if so) in what way (In fact, he is rather important - he is one of the Jewish martyrs of the second Jewish war against the Romans.) To most Christians, he is probably not even a name.

As with him, so with Jesus - “Jesus existed” is an historical judgement, which could be made about tens of millions of other people: it is useless as a guide to answering the question “In what way is this man significant” - because historical facts are not judgements of value: to say that say somebody is significant in this way or that, is a judgement of value. And one cannot go from the one, to the other - because the two kinds of judgement, judge things that are completely unrelated.

 

[Kaninchen]

The Jews I know love to deliberate…speculation or not. So your statement is not, what I consider, from your average Jew. And if you are not prepared to speculate, why respond to this thread???

And sorry doesn’t cut it…

Wow!

 

[lauramelissa]

I don’t doubt that Christ truly existed… I’m just not sure he was divine. If everything in the Bible turned out to be true, I’d admit I was wrong, but I’d still like to have a lengthy conversation with God about religion and the good and bad things that have arisen from it. I’d also be curious to know how much of the scripture was correctly interpreted.

Now, what would you do if you found out that God didn’t exist and that Jesus was no more his son than anyone else?

(I am an agnostic, for the record)

 

[Jimdandy]

I will be standing by to welcome all Jews Home:thumbsup:

God will not forsake His chosen people-He will gift them with His Faith in His own time-or outside of it-or at the end of time.

And oh what joy there will be in Jerusalem !!!

       :harp: 


                       :heaven:

 

[Kaninchen]

I will be standing by to welcome all Jews Home:thumbsup:

God will not forsake His chosen people-He will gift them with His Faith in His own time-or outside of it-or at the end of time.

And oh what joy there will be in Jerusalem !!!

       :harp: 


                       :heaven:

Well, I’m sure many of us will promise not to laugh too hard when the ‘epistle’ of a certain Saul of Tarsus to his publishers is found saying “I’ve had this amazing idea for an epic story about a man-god, it came to me while looking at the remains of an eccentric preacher who got himself crucified. Here’s the synopsis . . . we need to talk about an advance for my travel and research . . . . .”

 

[Shoshana]

Wow!

 

[Glaucon]

This is a “what if” question and I’d really like some serious replies from Jews and atheists alike…what if the NT was everything it said it was and Christ does actually exist…what would you do? I mean if you really, sincerely knew he does exist…what would you do?

My friend, by assuming from the get-go that the question is mainly a matter of “if”, you have already painted yourself into a corner. Wrong approach.

We as Catholics hold to be true that Jesus of Nazareth did exist, and that he is truly the Messiah.

Regarding what is true… Well, in any case, if people did know what was true (for instance, whether the earth is round) with absolute certainty, then they are left no other honest choice but to admit that it is true.

But then again, there are those who find the truth not suited to their liking, and choose instead to willfully disagree, even if they do know they are in the wrong. That’s being dishonest, and that’s their problem.

Or maybe they simply don’t know, either because they don’t, or because they’d rather not know, because to explore the issue would open oneself to the possibility of confessing that he is wrong.

Again, it’s no longer a matter of “if”. You should know that.

 

[Sepharad]

Because the poster seems to “have it in” for Jews as far as conversion goes.

I know Jesus was not the messiah, so I don’t see how I could answer this question.

Because if Jesus was a divine messiah, then that would mean the God of Israel was a liar (chas ve’sholom) when He said that He has no form or likeness.

And so, they cannot both be right. And since the God of Israel has proven Himself to me, so many times, I know better than to look elsewhere for “truth” when I know I have it right here.

How about we ask a similar question to the Catholics like Cathdefender?

What if you found out that the whole Christian thing was a lie, designed to test Jews (Deut. 13), and somehow, a lot of Gentiles got sucked up into it…Gentiles who did not have the advance warning Jews did in Deut. 13?

How would you feel to find out what you have defended all your Cathdefender life, was a lie?

 

[Sepharad]

Well, I’m sure many of us will promise not to laugh too hard when the ‘epistle’ of a certain Saul of Tarsus to his publishers is found saying “I’ve had this amazing idea for an epic story about a man-god, it came to me while looking at the remains of an eccentric preacher who got himself crucified. Here’s the synopsis . . . we need to talk about an advance for my travel and research . . . . .”

It seems we have a similar sense of humor, I’ve joked with my husband and kids in a similar vein, knowing that neither Jews nor Catholics would understand or appreciate, for the most part…

 

[Sepharad]

You’re right. I sometimes hesitate when responding to Cathdefender’s posts, because they make me feel as if this were the Middle Ages again, when Catholic clerics would try to provoke rabbis into defending their faith, only to be falsely accused of “blasphemy”, and, well, you know what usually came next…

I cannot explain Cathdefender’s constant efforts to provoke the few Jews on this forum…I do recall her saying in another thread that her ex-husband was Jewish, so I wonder if it stems from anything to do with that?

 

[Cathdefender]

People can exist without being of any spiritual or ethical importance - that Jesus of Nazareth is admitted to be a really historical person, does not by itself tell us anything about Him. (Names by themselves are no guide at all as to whether the being named is historical or fictional.)​

Rabbi Akiba (for instance) is very definitely an historical person - that does not tell us whether he is important within Judaism, nor (if so) in what way (In fact, he is rather important - he is one of the Jewish martyrs of the second Jewish war against the Romans.) To most Christians, he is probably not even a name.

As with him, so with Jesus - “Jesus existed” is an historical judgement, which could be made about tens of millions of other people: it is useless as a guide to answering the question “In what way is this man significant” - because historical facts are not judgements of value: to say that say somebody is significant in this way or that, is a judgement of value. And one cannot go from the one, to the other - because the two kinds of judgement, judge things that are completely unrelated.

Just what I expected from you. A simple question gets a simple answer. No need to go into all this…