To those who say 100% agree w/MMGW. I don't think so

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I guess that “MMGW” stands for “Man-Made Global Warming”. Huh. I always heard it referred to as “Anthropogenic Global Warming”.
 
There has been much talk here about MMGW and a good number say that all scientists agree so I offer the following article.:rolleyes:

triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/4934150-74/climate-ipcc-weather#axzz2j7zEWuCB
Consider that:
  1. The article was published as an opinion piece in the Pittsburgh Tribune. Pittsburgh, being in the heart of coal country has a vested interest in refuting global warming.
  2. The author of the article, William M. Briggs, is a highly-opinionated statistics consultant, who only got his masters degree after going quite public with his opinions. He is not a working scientist in the field. Just Google his name and “climate” and you will find plenty of refutations of his “expertise”.
  3. He cites the “Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change” which sounds official, but is just a special-interest group pushing their own agenda. It has no scientific standing. They picked a name to rival the IPCC. They are an arm of the Heartland Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank. Hardly the kind of place to go for unbiased scientific work.
  4. Mr. Briggs say the NIPCC has cited 5,000 peer-reviewed scientific articles that contradict the IPCC’s claims. They may have cited 5,000 articles, but without seeing them, one has to take their word for it that they contradict the IPCC’s claims. It is more likely that it requires misunderstanding of the IPCC’s claims to come to that conclusion.
  5. The article says Mr. Briggs has a masters degree in climate science from an “Ivy League university”. First, isn’t a little strange that they did not name the university? And second, what has he done in the field since getting his degree? Has he worked as a scientist? Done original research? Or did he get the degree just so he could make his pre-conceived notions in his blog and opinion pieces sound more authoritative?
  6. Most of Mr. Briggs appeals are to the emotions rather than to the facts. For instance he humorously observes that global warming seems to be a threat to all the “cuddly, cute, delicious or photogenic” species, while favoring the species that " stings, bites, pricks or stinks". This is no way to do science.
 
No one would argue that 100% of scientists agree that global warming is anthropogenic. Not even 100% of climatologists agree with that claim.

The problem here is that, despite not being agreed upon by literally all scientists, anthropogenic global warming is agreed upon by the overwhelming majority of those who work in related fields. LeafByNiggle brings up some specific issues with the scientist in question, and I have to admit that I’ve never heard of him before, so I can’t add to those. Regardless, though, even if he were a top-ranking climatologist, he would be against over 90% of the relevant scientific community.
 
Consider that:
  1. The article was published as an opinion piece in the Pittsburgh Tribune. Pittsburgh, being in the heart of coal country has a vested interest in refuting global warming.
  2. The author of the article, William M. Briggs, is a highly-opinionated statistics consultant, who only got his masters degree after going quite public with his opinions. He is not a working scientist in the field. Just Google his name and “climate” and you will find plenty of refutations of his “expertise”.
  3. He cites the “Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change” which sounds official, but is just a special-interest group pushing their own agenda. It has no scientific standing. They picked a name to rival the IPCC. They are an arm of the Heartland Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank. Hardly the kind of place to go for unbiased scientific work.
  4. Mr. Briggs say the NIPCC has cited 5,000 peer-reviewed scientific articles that contradict the IPCC’s claims. They may have cited 5,000 articles, but without seeing them, one has to take their word for it that they contradict the IPCC’s claims. It is more likely that it requires misunderstanding of the IPCC’s claims to come to that conclusion.
  5. The article says Mr. Briggs has a masters degree in climate science from an “Ivy League university”. First, isn’t a little strange that they did not name the university? And second, what has he done in the field since getting his degree? Has he worked as a scientist? Done original research? Or did he get the degree just so he could make his pre-conceived notions in his blog and opinion pieces sound more authoritative?
  6. Most of Mr. Briggs appeals are to the emotions rather than to the facts. For instance he humorously observes that global warming seems to be a threat to all the “cuddly, cute, delicious or photogenic” species, while favoring the species that " stings, bites, pricks or stinks". This is no way to do science.
So, does this make him more or less qualified to speak on the subject than Al Gore? All weather comes from the sun.
 
In the final analysis, it seems always to be about increased government control and the prevention or killing of “excess” population. If man is the enemy, then man must be limited in both power and number.
 
So, does this make him more or less qualified to speak on the subject than Al Gore?
Neither of them are qualified to speak as authorities on the subject. What I do with people who make claims is to look up the sources they cite. Even if someone is not an authority, they can at least point the way to more basic sources. Then I can try to evaluate those sources on their own merits, independent of who led me to them. Mr. Briggs and the Heartland Institute do not make that easy.
All weather comes from the sun.
Are you making some scientific point by this? If you have a train of thought that leads from “the sun provides the energy for weather” to “only events on the sun can have any effect on weather” then please make your point. I would love to see how you get there.
 
In the final analysis, it seems always to be about increased government control and the prevention or killing of “excess” population. If man is the enemy, then man must be limited in both power and number.
If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem seems like a nail. If your “thing” is being on the lookout for governmental conspiracies, then you are going to see them everywhere.
 
LeafByNiggle
  1. The article was published as an opinion piece in the Pittsburgh Tribune. Pittsburgh, being in the heart of coal country has a vested interest in refuting global warming.
And Al Gore stands to make billions from carbon-trading that will decimate the equatorial biosphere.
  1. The author of the article, William M. Briggs, is a highly-opinionated statistics consultant, who only got his masters degree after going quite public with his opinions. He is not a working scientist in the field. Just Google his name and “climate” and you will find plenty of refutations of his “expertise”.
Don’t tell me that your entire response is based off a generic google search…😃

Google funnels its money through Irish banks to avoid taxes.

Do you realize how many people I have to deal with who have law or humanities degrees who think they know about climate science and haven’t even taken one thermodynamics class?

Briggs is probably more correct than even atmospheric scientists and their overly simplistic view of a complex planetary system.
  1. He cites the “Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change” which sounds official, but is just a special-interest group pushing their own agenda.
Well, that’s a trick used by left-groups. NOW, the NAACP and various GLBTQ groups are just institutions that exist to get the Democratic Party of the USA votes.

The climate alarmists like James Hansen and others have been caught red-handed faking data, and if it didn’t support a Western liberal idealistic cause would have ended his career.

Several NASA scientists asked him to step away from all this CC nonsense because it was ruining their brand.
It has no scientific standing. They picked a name to rival the IPCC. They are an arm of the Heartland Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank. Hardly the kind of place to go for unbiased scientific work.
The Heartland Institute does have scientific standing, and it’s uncharitable and slanderous of you to say they don’t just because they don’t conform to your narrow, linear and yes, incorrect view.

Just like all these liberal academic institutions that have to make-up or exaggerate anthropogenic to get grant money and pad their CV’s instead of solving REAL problems. :rolleyes:
  1. Mr. Briggs say the NIPCC has cited 5,000 peer-reviewed scientific articles that contradict the IPCC’s claims. They may have cited 5,000 articles, but without seeing them, one has to take their word for it that they contradict the IPCC’s claims. It is more likely that it requires misunderstanding of the IPCC’s claims to come to that conclusion.
Many of the people on the IPCC are not real scientists and don’t know nearly as much as they think about climate change modeling and the errors in the forcings that are used.
  1. The article says Mr. Briggs has a masters degree in climate science from an “Ivy League university”. First, isn’t a little strange that they did not name the university? And second, what has he done in the field since getting his degree? Has he worked as a scientist? Done original research? Or did he get the degree just so he could make his pre-conceived notions in his blog and opinion pieces sound more authoritative?
Ah yes. Dotting all your accusations with question marks to avoid liability and because you can’t find the answers on google. Classic blogging technique.

First of all, a lot of people get degrees without doing original research. Many Master’s programs, which is the degree William Briggs has, has options for just taking coursework.

Furthermore, there has been numerous research done that counters the overrated problem of man-made climate change, but it’s not too popular in academia because people see it as a threat to their funding stream and the credibility of left-wing Western political parties whose real goal is command and control and the destruction of the Catholic Church.
  1. Most of Mr. Briggs appeals are to the emotions rather than to the facts.
:rotfl:

I think you need to understand two things:
  1. Briggs seems to be nowhere near emotional on this
  2. Not everyone uses left-wing tactics like made-up academic credentials or getting angry and sad every time one doesn’t get his/her way.
For instance he humorously observes that global warming seems to be a threat to all the “cuddly, cute, delicious or photogenic” species, while favoring the species that " stings, bites, pricks or stinks".
Oh, so it’s global warming now, not climate change? :ehh:

Sounds like a clever pitch. Bet it he worked for thinkprogress, you’d have a different take. :rolleyes:
This is no way to do science.
Neither is using the concept of albedo and heat traps from clouds that are found in fifth-grade science books to model an ENTIRE planet.

Or basing someone’s science “expertise” on how much they “care” because they have a sociology or law degree in truth b/c they wanted to a vet, doctor or engineer but didn’t have the motivation to take advanced science and math.
 
Are you making some scientific point by this? If you have a train of thought that leads from “the sun provides the energy for weather” to “only events on the sun can have any effect on weather” then please make your point. I would love to see how you get there.
The sun is the source of most of the heat on this planet is what drives the oceans which in turn determine a lot of major fronts.
 
If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem seems like a nail. If your “thing” is being on the lookout for governmental conspiracies, then you are going to see them everywhere.
Sorry, but the idea that liberty yields to central power is a fundamental aspect of our Founding Fathers rationale and historically that has happened.

We are seeing the same thing with this green nonsense.

In the 1970s, Nixon signed into law appropriate measures for environmental protection and during the 1980s, a lot of key members of environmental groups left because they were infiltrated by Marxists and Communists who made their cause political.

Speaking of conspiracies, there is no conspiracy by the oil companies to make profits and leave all of its paying customers for dead either.
 
If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem seems like a nail. If your “thing” is being on the lookout for governmental conspiracies, then you are going to see them everywhere.
Conversely, would it be fair to opine that you explicitly trust what some term as the “scientific-governmental complex” and offer it only slavish and unthinking obeisance?

I am not a bunker-dwelling paranoiac, as you may suspect. Rather, I am a big picture guy who notices the affiliated movements and the interconnections between them. I also take note of the spirit which appears to motivate them.
 
The sun is the source of most of the heat on this planet is what drives the oceans which in turn determine a lot of major fronts.
True - The sun is the source of all the energy on the planet.👍

BTW have you ever cooked with a pressure cooker. Same heat source, same sized pan, same food… 25% of the cooking time.

Why - because a pressure cooker doesn’t let the heat or steam out.
 

I am not a bunker-dwelling paranoiac, as you may suspect. Rather, I am a big picture guy who notices the affiliated movements and the interconnections between them. I also take note of the spirit which appears to motivate them.
Well, then you should have noticed that people over at Heartland Institute are connected to the groups which preach the religion of infinite growth – which can be proven false by simple calculus: youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrvcS6AQ (start at 32:00 if you don’t have time to watch the entire thing)
 
Well, then you should have noticed that people over at Heartland Institute are connected to the groups which preach the religion of infinite growth – which can be proven false by simple calculus: youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrvcS6AQ (start at 32:00 if you don’t have time to watch the entire thing)
Who said that I support them?

They seem as far off base as the chicken little MMGW types, frankly.
 
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