To those who say 100% agree w/MMGW. I don't think so

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Consider that:
  1. The article says Mr. Briggs has a masters degree in climate science from an “Ivy League university”. First, isn’t a little strange that they did not name the university? And second, what has he done in the field since getting his degree? Has he worked as a scientist? Done original research? Or did he get the degree just so he could make his pre-conceived notions in his blog and opinion pieces sound more authoritative?
Maybe not strange. Here’s his education.

(1) Ph.D., 2004, Cornell University. Statistics.
(2) M.S., 1995, Cornell University. Atmospheric Science.
(3) B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1992, Central Michigan University. Meteorology
and Math.

Not all that shabby.

Looks like he is a consultant to a lot of organizations and has published a great number of peer-reviewed articles. His expression in the Tribune might be a bit arch, but he’s not without credentials.

If you look at the backgrounds of a lot of “climate scientists” to whom many give credit, many are well short of this guy’s.
 
And Al Gore stands to make billions from carbon-trading that will decimate the equatorial biosphere.
Unsupported hypothesis. He may have invested in the clean energy industry, but that was because he first came to believe that it was right. You are implying that he first found himself holding stock in clean energy and then decided to promote a hoax to make himself rich. Where is the basis for that? And you may not agree with carbon-trading as the proper response to global warming (I know I don’t). But you can’t use your opposition to carbon-trading to attack the science of global warming. You will have to do that in the political or ethical realm. The science is either right or it is not, and it should be addressed directly, not in terms of what people may or may not do about it. I’m not saying such a discussion is unimportant. I just saying that discussion has no part in the more basic question of what is actually happening to the climate.
Don’t tell me that your entire response is based off a generic google search…
Don’t like what I found? Well, I may not have found out everything there is to know about William Briggs, but I have no reason to believe that what I have found out is incorrect. Most of it comes from his own website.
Google funnels its money through Irish banks to avoid taxes.
Is that supposed to be some kind of an argument? I don’t get the relevance to the discussion at hand.
Do you realize how many people I have to deal with who have law or humanities degrees who think they know about climate science and haven’t even taken one thermodynamics class?
We aren’t talking about them. Should we be? Why?
Briggs is probably more correct than even atmospheric scientists and their overly simplistic view of a complex planetary system.
The models used by climate scientists are some the most complex models there are, taking super computers to run them. I don’t know of anyone who has a more complex understanding of how climate works. They are far from simplistic!
Well, that’s a trick used by left-groups. NOW, the NAACP and various GLBTQ groups are just institutions that exist to get the Democratic Party of the USA votes.
That does not diminish my point that the NIPCC is not comparable to the IPCC, even though they have similar names.
The climate alarmists like James Hansen and others have been caught red-handed faking data, and if it didn’t support a Western liberal idealistic cause would have ended his career.
Do you know exactly what data James Hansen faked?
Several NASA scientists asked him to step away from all this CC nonsense because it was ruining their brand.
I’m not sure what you want to do with this. Are you saying this to discredit all climate scientists? If so, which more trustworthy sources do you recommend to replace them?
The Heartland Institute does have scientific standing, and it’s uncharitable and slanderous of you to say they don’t just because they don’t conform to your narrow, linear and yes, incorrect view.
Then maybe you should correct the Wikipedia article about them that calls them a conservative and libertarian think tank. Anyone can correct a Wikipedia article, you know.
Many of the people on the IPCC are not real scientists and don’t know nearly as much as they think about climate change modeling and the errors in the forcings that are used.
What are you saying? That the organization called the IPCC is not composed exclusively of scientists? Well, they do need secretaries to answer the phone, and I guess there are many other non-scientific roles in the organization. But if you are claiming the those non-scientists are pretending to be scientists and putting out results without the help of real scientists, then say so, then prove it.
First of all, a lot of people get degrees without doing original research. Many Master’s programs, which is the degree William Briggs has, has options for just taking coursework.
Of course. I was not questioning his degree. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a 4.0 average. But getting a degree and subsequently working in the field for years are two very different things. I question the wisdom of taking his word over the word of the working scientists he is contradicting.
Furthermore, there has been numerous research done that counters the overrated problem of man-made climate change, but it’s not too popular in academia because…
That’s what Mr. Briggs article was supposed to be. So why wasn’t it more convincing?
Oh, so it’s global warming now, not climate change?
A distinction without a difference.
Neither is using the concept of albedo and heat traps from clouds that are found in fifth-grade science books to model an ENTIRE planet.
Are you claiming that just because a scientific principle appears in a fifth-grade science book, it is unsuitable for application to advanced problems? Or are you saying that the scientists who are referencing albedo and heat traps from clouds are doing so without sufficient consideration taken for the complexities of the actual planet? If so, be specific and then we can see if you have a point or not.
 
Consider that:
  1. The article was published as an opinion piece in the Pittsburgh Tribune. Pittsburgh, being in the heart of coal country has a vested interest in refuting global warming.
  2. The author of the article, William M. Briggs, is a highly-opinionated statistics consultant, who only got his masters degree after going quite public with his opinions. He is not a working scientist in the field. Just Google his name and “climate” and you will find plenty of refutations of his “expertise”.
  3. He cites the “Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change” which sounds official, but is just a special-interest group pushing their own agenda. It has no scientific standing. They picked a name to rival the IPCC. They are an arm of the Heartland Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank. Hardly the kind of place to go for unbiased scientific work.
  4. Mr. Briggs say the NIPCC has cited 5,000 peer-reviewed scientific articles that contradict the IPCC’s claims. They may have cited 5,000 articles, but without seeing them, one has to take their word for it that they contradict the IPCC’s claims. It is more likely that it requires misunderstanding of the IPCC’s claims to come to that conclusion.
  5. The article says Mr. Briggs has a masters degree in climate science from an “Ivy League university”. First, isn’t a little strange that they did not name the university? And second, what has he done in the field since getting his degree? Has he worked as a scientist? Done original research? Or did he get the degree just so he could make his pre-conceived notions in his blog and opinion pieces sound more authoritative?
  6. Most of Mr. Briggs appeals are to the emotions rather than to the facts. For instance he humorously observes that global warming seems to be a threat to all the “cuddly, cute, delicious or photogenic” species, while favoring the species that " stings, bites, pricks or stinks". This is no way to do science.
You question a lot and disprove nothing. #6 is rather humorous but just goes to show that li(e)berals go by how they feel and not by the facts.:eek:
 
If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem seems like a nail. If your “thing” is being on the lookout for governmental conspiracies, then you are going to see them everywhere.
General statements are generally not true. Governmental conspiracies have been revealed, for example. Not a lot, but a few. As a researcher, I know that if I look at credible sources and find nothing, that, odds are, there is no substance to a particular claim, but if my research shows good data from several credible sources, I’m more likely to believe something is true, even though there may be some unanswered questions. Any competent researcher would continue digging to further clarify the picture. Some conspiracies are not proven by someone admitting, “yes, I was involved,” but from a great weight of circumstantial evidence.

Peace,
Ed
 
There has been much talk here about MMGW and a good number say that all scientists agree so I offer the following article.:rolleyes:

triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/4934150-74/climate-ipcc-weather#axzz2j7zEWuCB
Twenty four years ago when I was in college there was a lot of debate about global warming. Basically scientists are just using there best guess as to what the climate will do with higher CO2 rates. The one thing we definitely need to protect is the ozone layer. I just take a live and let live approach to these ideas and debates. As individuals if there are changes it will not effect us very much. Future generations will most likely be effected the worst, if the global warming predictions are correct.
:confused:
 
I remind here that a best selling climate book in 1970 was “The Coming Ice Age”

So, here is an eminently qualified scientist who predicts an ice age beginning in 2022. That’s only NINE years from now. Google “Coming Ice Age” and just look at all the hits.

What the heck are we supoosed to believe?
 
“William M. Briggs has a Ph.D. in statistics and a master’s degree in atmospheric science from an Ivy League university, so you know whatever he says is true.”

I had to chuckle when I read the statement above which appears at the end of the article. At first glance I thought it was a serious comment but then realized it’s a tongue-in-cheek poke at the author, no?

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If you have a hammer in your hand, every problem seems like a nail. If your “thing” is being on the lookout for governmental conspiracies, then you are going to see them everywhere.
Governmental conspiracies are always going on. History is full of them. There are always people in government conspiring to acquire more power that they should not have. Governments in the West use interests such as social justice and equality,health care and protection of the earth to get more and more laws passed and extend the powers of government over the people and their property.
 
Governmental conspiracies are always going on. History is full of them. There are always people in government conspiring to acquire more power that they should not have. Governments in the West use interests such as social justice and equality,health care and protection of the earth to get more and more laws passed and extend the powers of government over the people and their property.
Back into your bunker, where the black helicopters can’t see you! 😃
 
Twenty four years ago when I was in college there was a lot of debate about global warming. Basically scientists are just using there best guess as to what the climate will do with higher CO2 rates. The one thing we definitely need to protect is the ozone layer. I just take a live and let live approach to these ideas and debates. As individuals if there are changes it will not effect us very much. Future generations will most likely be effected the worst, if the global warming predictions are correct.
CO2 isn’t even a pollutant. It’s something we exhale. It helps make plants grow,which is why it is called a greenhouse gas. And it makes up less than 1 per cent of the atmosphere. Scientists who believe in man-made global warming or climate change do not not make logical causal connections,but only exaggerated mechanistic connections,between CO2 emissions and the weather.
 
CO2 isn’t even a pollutant. It’s something we exhale. It helps make plants grow,which is why it is called a greenhouse gas. And it makes up less than 1 per cent of the atmosphere. Scientists who believe in man-made global warming or climate change do not not make logical causal connections,but only exaggerated mechanistic connections,between CO2 emissions and the weather.
I think you have a few factual errors here.
 
I remind here that a best selling climate book in 1970 was “The Coming Ice Age”

So, here is an eminently qualified scientist who predicts an ice age beginning in 2022. That’s only NINE years from now. Google “Coming Ice Age” and just look at all the hits.

What the heck are we supoosed to believe?
I remember learning of the “Coming Ice Age” in school. 🤷

Of course, now no one talks about that now.
 
I remember learning of the “Coming Ice Age” in school. 🤷

Of course, now no one talks about that now.
Well it was only ONE theory at the time blown up by the media at the time… mainly to be laughed at if I remember correctly.

We thought lots of things in the 70’s that we laugh at now.😉
 
Well it was only ONE theory at the time blown up by the media at the time… mainly to be laughed at if I remember correctly.
It was taught in schools. So, no it wasn’t mainly to be laughed at.
We thought lots of things in the 70’s that we laugh at now.😉
Will we also laugh at things from the 10’s?

My guess is yes.

Think about it. Cigarettes were once advertised as being good for you. Eggs were bad. Salt caused high blood pressure. And the world was going to be an ice ball.

In 30 - 40 years, we might learn that colds can be cured, Bacon is good for you. And we actually are headed for an ice age. 🤷
 
So keep on smoking and having egg and bacon for breakfast 😉

I love egg and bacon!

Not so much the smoke.

With computers though we have really improved our ability to process huge amounts of data.
 
The AGW hypothesis is not merely a conspiracy but it is part of the Population Control agenda, which also encompasses contraception, abortion, homosexualism, and anti-immigration sentiment. The belief attached to AGW is that humans are ruining the Earth and we can only prevent the ruin to the environment by committing racial suicide and eliminating ourselves from the equation. On the contrary, well-formed Christians believe that we are stewards of the environment, that we have been given dominion over it in order for it to serve our own needs, and that while we recognize the need to be generally responsible and thoughtful in our care for the environment, we do not need a suicide pact, and our footprint on it is certainly no worse than any other species which has proliferated and flourished to the same extent.
 
There has been much talk here about MMGW and a good number say that all scientists agree so I offer the following article.
I gotta agree with this link, which is pretty rare. I’m really surprised there are so many skeptical replies. I definitely hope they just understood the article differently that I did, because, given all the references to population, it sounded to me like he was alluding to the overpopulation argument for abortion. In which case, he is almost indisputably correct: even if popoulation is making the temperature rise, do you kill people- billions of them, as it woulod take to make any significant difference- to make the earth a more comfortable place to live? And besides, if the human body can do that much damage to the earth, think of how much reparation human technology could do. If MMGW was really a problem, we could far overpower it with our technology.

PS: LeafByNiggle, whose side are you on? You seem to have completely switched.
 
I remember learning of the “Coming Ice Age” in school. 🤷

Of course, now no one talks about that now.
The idea of global cooling was taken seriously by some scientists, but even at the time, the majority saw the cooling trend in recent years as a fluke, really caused by human activity, but not part of a general pattern. At the time, the dominant climatological paradigm was already that the planet was warming.
The AGW hypothesis is not merely a conspiracy but it is part of the Population Control agenda, which also encompasses contraception, abortion, homosexualism, and anti-immigration sentiment.
Anthropogenic global warming is supported by sound science. Whether some people choose to take that to mean that we should support immoral methods of controlling it is irrelevant to whether or not it is really happening. Genocide is a real problem, and just killing everyone equally by unleashing all of our nuclear weapons at once and pointing them randomly would really solve it. Obviously, that would be wrong, and so we should search for alternative solutions to the problem of genocide. Likewise, anthropogenic global warming is a real problem, and we need to find moral solutions for it. The parts of the world with the highest reproduction rates are also the parts of the world which contribute the least to global warming and are likely to suffer the most from it. Clearly, we need to look at solutions which target over-consumption in the developed world rather than population in developing nations.
 
I agree - we don’t have a population problem we have a consumption problem… and AGW is connected to consumption not population.
 
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