To what degree does supernatural phenomenon affect your belief in your Church?

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Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
I do believe in supernatural events, as long as the Church investigates and says it is okay to believe in them.

I do not depend on such events to draw me to a closer relationship with the Lord. That depends on how I cooperate with God’s grace, and has nothing to do with the “fireworks” of supernatural occurrences.

It is faith in the Lord and my prayerfulness which helps me to pay attention to how much God loves me, and what I should do to show my love for Him.
 
I respect the Church for not requiring us to accept or believe any of these experiences.

I read them and say, “Hah” or “Hum!” or “Huh?”
 
While I do not dismiss out of hand such claimed experiences…I judge such experiences as how deep they impact those who claim such experiences. The human mind is a powerful tool…and can often be a powerful “taskmaster” and cause strange phenomena at times that effect lives deeply and profoundly…with not always a good out come.

I tend to believe “the supernatural” occurances are really quite humanly induced behavior and responses due to deep seated psychosis of some sort. Medication is often the answer…sometimes finding a deep religious faith can “center one down” into the “real world” in which we all live.
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
Hi gurneyhalleck1: That is a great question and I think it’ll be interesting to see all the viewpoints on that. Personally I don’t know what to classify as supernatural. I think a lot of amazing things happen, but regardless of their cause I think they are natural by virtue of the fact that they even occur. Our lack of understanding of the mechanisms as to how they come about makes them more “unexplained” in my view. That does not mean that they aren’t happening by the hand of God though. That can be a perfectly good explanation as far as I am concerned, but I don’t know if I could call them supernatural. It’s probably perfectly natural for God to do incredible things. 🙂

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Sufjon
 
Hi Sufjon,

Blessings to you brother. Thanks for the encouragement. I hope to get some good responses, too. I have read stories like the famous St. Louis Exorcism case that the Catholic priests were a part of that William Peter Blatty heard about at Georgetown that inspired “The Exorcist.” Fascinating story. I always found it interesting that the Lutheran pastor of the boy didn’t know what to do and recommended the boy’s parents take him to a Catholic priest. It’s weird since I see Lutheran exorcisms online, etc.

I’m fascinated by the Marian apparitions, too. The apparitions are very, very Catholic. They refer to purgatory, the popes, the Catholic Church, and Catholic things in general. I would assume that Orthodox Christians would have to reject these apparitions as phony or diabolical as these visions paint the Catholic Church as the source of salvation, not Orthodoxy. They affirm and bolster Catholic ideas, not Orthodox ones. So an Orthodox opinion on these would be interesting.

The Fatima event, Padre Pio, stigmata, all sorts of these things are fascinating and I also look forward to hearing people’s opinions on them. 🙂
Hi gurneyhalleck1: That is a great question and I think it’ll be interesting to see all the viewpoints on that. Personally I don’t know what to classify as supernatural. I think a lot of amazing things happen, but regardless of their cause I think they are natural by virtue of the fact that they even occur. Our lack of understanding of the mechanisms as to how they come about makes them more “unexplained” in my view. That does not mean that they aren’t happening by the hand of God though. That can be a perfectly good explanation as far as I am concerned, but I don’t know if I could call them supernatural. It’s probably perfectly natural for God to do incredible things. 🙂

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
When I was a Protestant I didn’t take much notice of post-Biblical age supernatural events. I ought to point out though that I’ve had my own fair share of supernatural experiences - my father turning up in my room the night he died (when I was still an atheist), three and three only “double whammies” (like a very strong breath going through you from head to foot. My Catholic psychiatrist coined the term for this usage, because he’s had them himself). a voice speaking very clearly on a couple of occasions related to specific issues (again my psychiatrist has had the same experience - I’ve written about it on other posts, when he was told to “Go to Maclean”), heavy gripping pressures (demonic), the available light changing at night to a sort of sinister hue (also demonic), and a fair number of other events, some of them quite subtle and sometimes very deceptive.

I had a pastor who was uncannily accurate with his predictions. He was prophetic. I became aware of a “ghost” at a place where I worked for a short time (he committed suicide about forty to fifty years ago). I’ve heard of other people’s experiences from time to time. I get a sense of peace sometimes when a Christian dies, usually someone I know. I’ve had brief visions in which someone has spoken to me.

I’ve heard people speaking in tongues, but never spoken in them myself. I’ve met at least three Protestants who had an exorcism ministry and one of them in particular related a few of his experiences. I’ve seen looks of judgment on the faces of other people, and on one uncomfortable occasion, thought I was going to literally disintegrate. I had to pull over as I was driving at the time.

I’ve heard a former homosexual say that at his second suicide attempt Christ appeared in the corner of the room, moved towards him, and somehow merged. From that time on he never even had to struggle with homosexual temptation.

So I don’t have trouble believing in Marian incidents, other people’s experiences, stigmata, levitation, and the like.

What I do look for is corroborating evidence. I’m not particularly impressed when someone sees Christ in their breakfast cereal. But when 70,000 witnesses say they saw the sun dance at Fatima, the ground and clothes dry supernaturally, and the predictions made come true, then I’m inclined to believe it. Especially when I see the startlingly incorrupt St. Bernadette Soubirous as corollary evidence

On the other hand my BS meter goes off fairly quickly when I think so called seers are promoting their own political beliefs via alleged apparitions.

I believe Padre Pio and other saints through the centuries, had the stigmata.

If I think there is one particularly important supernatural sign these days, its the Marian apparitions. Even my old Protestant pastor said to me, long before I became Catholic (which he also predicted would happen), “There’s been a lot of them (Marian apparitions). I think they’re a judgement on a divided church”.

Since I equate the approved Marian apparitions equate with the “portent in heaven” in Chapter 12 of Revelation and therefore they have biblical backing, then I think the warnings should be heeded. Since they also come through Catholic and to a lesser extent the Orthodox Church, with sightings in islamic countries (eg. at Zeitoun in Egypt), but over a church, then suspect she’s indicated the Catholic Church is closest to the truth, but accepts the honour given her by the Orthodox and Moslem adherents.

The point is however that until I became a Christian, I had no real time for alleged supernatural events, even though I’d already experienced some myself(!). And I didn’t take much notice of Marianism, stigmata, levitation etc. until I became Catholic.

But I had to make the leap of faith first. Although my probably cynical guardian angel would probably say, “Leap? Garbage!! You were pushed, mate.”
 
Awesome post, Bob. Thanks so much for sharing. Wow!
When I was a Protestant I didn’t take much notice of post-Biblical age supernatural events. I ought to point out though that I’ve had my own fair share of supernatural experiences - my father turning up in my room the night he died (when I was still an atheist), three and three only “double whammies” (like a very strong breath going through you from head to foot. My Catholic psychiatrist coined the term for this usage, because he’s had them himself). a voice speaking very clearly on a couple of occasions related to specific issues (again my psychiatrist has had the same experience - I’ve written about it on other posts, when he was told to “Go to Maclean”), heavy gripping pressures (demonic), the available light changing at night to a sort of sinister hue (also demonic), and a fair number of other events, some of them quite subtle and sometimes very deceptive.

I had a pastor who was uncannily accurate with his predictions. He was prophetic. I became aware of a “ghost” at a place where I worked for a short time (he committed suicide about forty to fifty years ago). I’ve heard of other people’s experiences from time to time. I get a sense of peace sometimes when a Christian dies, usually someone I know. I’ve had brief visions in which someone has spoken to me.

I’ve heard people speaking in tongues, but never spoken in them myself. I’ve met at least three Protestants who had an exorcism ministry and one of them in particular related a few of his experiences. I’ve seen looks of judgment on the faces of other people, and on one uncomfortable occasion, thought I was going to literally disintegrate. I had to pull over as I was driving at the time.

I’ve heard a former homosexual say that at his second suicide attempt Christ appeared in the corner of the room, moved towards him, and somehow merged. From that time on he never even had to struggle with homosexual temptation.

So I don’t have trouble believing in Marian incidents, other people’s experiences, stigmata, levitation, and the like.

What I do look for is corroborating evidence. I’m not particularly impressed when someone sees Christ in their breakfast cereal. But when 70,000 witnesses say they saw the sun dance at Fatima, the ground and clothes dry supernaturally, and the predictions made come true, then I’m inclined to believe it. Especially when I see the startlingly incorrupt St. Bernadette Soubirous as corollary evidence

On the other hand my BS meter goes off fairly quickly when I think so called seers are promoting their own political beliefs via alleged apparitions.

I believe Padre Pio and other saints through the centuries, had the stigmata.

If I think there is one particularly important supernatural sign these days, its the Marian apparitions. Even my old Protestant pastor said to me, long before I became Catholic (which he also predicted would happen), “There’s been a lot of them (Marian apparitions). I think they’re a judgement on a divided church”.

Since I equate the approved Marian apparitions equate with the “portent in heaven” in Chapter 12 of Revelation and therefore they have biblical backing, then I think the warnings should be heeded. Since they also come through Catholic and to a lesser extent the Orthodox Church, with sightings in islamic countries (eg. at Zeitoun in Egypt), but over a church, then suspect she’s indicated the Catholic Church is closest to the truth, but accepts the honour given her by the Orthodox and Moslem adherents.

The point is however that until I became a Christian, I had no real time for alleged supernatural events, even though I’d already experienced some myself(!). And I didn’t take much notice of Marianism, stigmata, levitation etc. until I became Catholic.

But I had to make the leap of faith first. Although my probably cynical guardian angel would probably say, “Leap? Garbage!! You were pushed, mate.”
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
I just finished reading “Pray, Hope, and Don’t Worry” about St. (Padre) Pio and “Our Lady of Kibeho” about the apparitions of Mary in Kibeho, Rwanda.

Both of these books have really highlighted for me the many supernatural events that are associated with Catholic saints and that are exclusive to our Church. However, the message is for ALL! I love that St. Pio said he is for all people and the Blessed Mother came for everyone of all religions begging for them to change their hearts to God and love. Of course, they didn’t, and the genocide occurred thirteen years later.

The bilocutions of St. Pio are extremely interesting and the fact that he was seen levitating during the consecration - wow! The painful stigmata he endured that was seen by many, many people. And, he had an actual fist fight with the devil when praying to get the devil out of a woman! (He had bruises and marks from the fight!)

I love the saints and their miracles. We need them. It helps so much for those who are not believers to read and ponder these things that are of the supernatural. My favorite of all has to be the Shroud of Turin! Now that is INCREDIBLE!! How did the image happen? How did human blood get on it? How can the wounds on the man on the shroud match the crucifixion story exactly?

Yes, I have often wondered how people of other religions view the many miracles of the Catholic Church and Her saints. But, then again, so many Catholics are not even aware of them.

My question is - why do people spend their time reading vampire love stories:p when they could be reading about apparitions and bilocutions?!
 
I’m fascinated by the Marian apparitions, too. The apparitions are very, very Catholic. They refer to purgatory, the popes, the Catholic Church, and Catholic things in general. I would assume that Orthodox Christians would have to reject these apparitions as phony or diabolical as these visions paint the Catholic Church as the source of salvation, not Orthodoxy. They affirm and bolster Catholic ideas, not Orthodox ones. So an Orthodox opinion on these would be interesting.
As to the Catholic Marian apparitions I think the general attitude of the Orthodox is (or should be), “not our house, not our business.”

I will say one of the more fascinating phenomena I’ve seen in my time on internet forums is the attempt by one side to discredit miracles of the other side. One example is the Holy Fire in Jerusalem. There is a segment of web-Catholics who go to extraordinary lengths to disprove the miracle. I can only guess the motivation is the same as you cited above; if true it is evidence of Divine favor given to the Orthodox. Of course I have seen it go the other way with some of the Marian apparitions you cite.

I was on the path to becoming Orthodox before I found out about any of the miracles. They had no influence whatsoever on my decision. I do firmly believe in the Holy Fire, the Snakes of the Theotokos, the miraculous icons and many others; but they are not the reason I am Orthodox. I have personally venerated a miraculous icon and I can tell you the grace that surrounds an object or event like that is palpable. They truly are times when the Divine breaks through and touches us in a more immediate and direct way.

These kinds of miracles are central to both the Catholic and Orthodox experience. It is one thing that we share. I would just hope that we could recognize that and not make them a source of division as sometimes happens.

In Christ
Joe
 
As to the Catholic Marian apparitions I think the general attitude of the Orthodox is (or should be), “not our house, not our business.”

I will say one of the more fascinating phenomena I’ve seen in my time on internet forums is the attempt by one side to discredit miracles of the other side. One example is the Holy Fire in Jerusalem. There is a segment of web-Catholics who go to extraordinary lengths to disprove the miracle. I can only guess the motivation is the same as you cited above; if true it is evidence of Divine favor given to the Orthodox. Of course I have seen it go the other way with some of the Marian apparitions you cite.

I was on the path to becoming Orthodox before I found out about any of the miracles. They had no influence whatsoever on my decision. I do firmly believe in the Holy Fire, the Snakes of the Theotokos, the miraculous icons and many others; but they are not the reason I am Orthodox. I have personally venerated a miraculous icon and I can tell you the grace that surrounds an object or event like that is palpable. They truly are times when the Divine breaks through and touches us in a more immediate and direct way.

These kinds of miracles are central to both the Catholic and Orthodox experience. It is one thing that we share. I would just hope that we could recognize that and not make them a source of division as sometimes happens.

In Christ
Joe
I completely agree with your thoughts, Joe. I relish any and all divine intervention in our lives. Such things soften the heart towards God when the head is too hard to listen. 😉
 
What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
I guess they mean next to nothing to me. Although I accept some Marian apparitions, such as Fatima and Lourdes. I don’t think seeing Mary or Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich is of any religious value or meaning. But then I’m a total skeptic for just about anything to do with the supernatural. I think a lot of it is just overblown imagination and wishful thinking.

I guess that’s because nothing can compete with the supernatural experience of the Eucharist. What more could anyone want or need?

Linda in Ohio
 
As long as it’s organic cheese! 😛
I guess they mean next to nothing to me. Although I accept some Marian apparitions, such as Fatima and Lourdes. I don’t think seeing Mary or Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich is of any religious value or meaning. But then I’m a total skeptic for just about anything to do with the supernatural. I think a lot of it is just overblown imagination and wishful thinking.

I guess that’s because nothing can compete with the supernatural experience of the Eucharist. What more could anyone want or need?

Linda in Ohio
 
Supernatural events can do nothing but help the faith. Jesus performed many miracles. He did not do any of this to glorify Himself but to make the power of God manifest on earth. It’s natural to be skeptical but I’m seeing too much of what I call pathological skepticism, and on occasion, outright falsehoods being spread on the internet. The goal is simple: to turn faith into a nonreal experience. In other words, you might believe something is true but you can’t show the average person it’s true.

There are also those who pose reasonable questions about miracles, but there are also those who only wish to create doubt, sometimes under the term freedom. Truth is truth and that includes miracles. The Eucharist is the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Period. But the world scoffs.

Recently, Pope Benedict elevated a man to sainthood. How does that happen? Two miracles are required. The process is simple. Since those that have passed and are in heaven, are alive, we can ask their help. Their intercessory prayer to God for us can bring a miracle. And that is investigated thoroughly by the Church and by competent experts and witnesses. The process may take many years.

The Church does not immediately validate every claim of miraculous healing at Lourdes, for example. A strict process of investigation must follow. The same with Marian apparitions. God sends Mary with important messages.

For those who think that man can somehow, within himself, carry out miraculous acts, the Church is open to considering all explanations. However, God being God, He requires no technology to raise the dead as Jesus did.

I hope everyone finds this article useful:

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0447.html

God bless,
Ed
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
I know God is a miracle working God and I believe the miracles recorded in the Bible really happened.

I believe the devil can perform miracles too. Thus, it is important not to be carried away by miracles but by the love of God in the Stream of the Blood of Jesus.

If a miracle does not bring glory to God, then it is a devise used by the enemy of our souls, IMO.

Miracles of the devil are used by him to draw our attention away from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Faith doesn’t produce miracles but it looks to Jesus how through His Spirit, performs the miracles. Faith trusts the outcome to Jesus no matter if a miracle happens or not. The greatest miracle is salvation and the next greatest miracle is being able to trust Jesus even if the fire concumes us.
 
Hey Gurneyhalleck1

For me personally it was the apparitions of the blessed Mary who revealed herself to four girls: Mari Loli Mazon (12), Jacinta Gonzales (12), Mari Cruz Gonzales (11), and Conchita Gonzales from 1961 -65. The Vatican has not yet given official recognition to the apparitions that occurred at Garabandal; the Church has always erred on the side of prudence and is waiting for the great miracle. Padre Pio believed and Pope Paul 6th said to Conchita: I bless you…and with me the whole church blesses you. The things that these 4 little innocent girls were able to do over a 4 year period of time, just about, defied any and all natural explanation. Just a couple of examples:

They were completely insensitive to pin pricks, burns, physical contact or bright spotlights shone directly into their eyes. I could never have withstood what they did, and they withstood it as if nothing was happening to them at all. That is impossible. Their weight factor changed so much that two grown men had great difficulty in lifting one 12-year-old girl and yet they could lift each other with the greatest of ease to offer a kiss to the Virgin.

When witnesses heard that “Our Lady” wanted to kiss religious objects, many rosaries, medals, crucifixes and wedding rings were given to the seers to present to the “Virgin.” Often, the objects were given to the visionaries in such a way that they couldn’t possibly know to whom each belonged, the articles having either been placed on a table set aside for this purpose when the seers were not present or being handed to them by persons other than the rightful owners. Yet, in ecstasy, guided by “Our Lady,” they never made a mistake (not once) - in returning wedding rings and other articles to the right person.

So many miraculous things happened with these 4 little innocent children but it entails too much to cover here. I have drawn the indubitable conclusion that these 4 little uneducated, ignorant, innocent girls from Garabandal, a small village in northern Spain, could NEVER have accomplished one prodigious thing without the aid of the supernatural. The preternatural is ruled out for so many reasons, but again, too much to get into here.

It has bolstered my faith, at times when I was plagued with doubt, but of course my faith does not depend on them; we live by faith not sight. The message is simple and very biblical; give it a look if you want too…Here is just one of so many links found on line.

ourlady.ca/info/garabandal.htm

I of course embrace all Marian apparitions approved by the CC but this one (NOT yet approved by the CC) - has a special place in my heart for the simple fact that so many people witnessed it, in recent times, and it was often caught on video tape.

I of course respect anyone’s right to reject them as false, but no one will ever be able to convince of that fact.👍
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
I have seen several things and experienced things with people from the church. It does not play a factor to the extent that its the reason I picked the church.
My experiences if anything make me weary about how some people perceive or overestimate their ability to handle demonic influences. They are in some cases too flippant and I have let other people in leadership positions know this.
At this time, I choose not to attend any more excursions to cast out anything at this time. While it causes some tensions, I do not care. I am on break until I feel led to return.
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur? What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?

What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
Peace and blessings,
I am blessed to live with many peoples form many religions.

Me personally am very founded in G-ds super natural power i have faith He can do all things. Kabbalah brings blessing.

I am often concerned though at the emphasis put on His supernatural in many congregations / fellowship.

If one looks to the meaning of healing in greek we can see that G-ds power is so strong in the natural today.

I prefer new believers especially to discipled with focus to the natural.

When your brother is sick visit them and so on. Just being with people in times of trials is so much of G-d and show to all the world who G-d is, not just those who believe the supernatural.

Bless you
 
Different churches make various claims about supernatural events like Fatima, stigmata, exorcisms, Marian apparitions, divine encounters with Christ, bleeding Hosts, etc. Do you believe in these supernatural events and how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur?
I do take them serious when they claim these things to be true. I know that they believe it wholeheartedly and I cannot disprove what I didn’t witness. This fact definitely leads me to taking those claims serious and accepting the fact that there are people who honestly believe in their reality. I respect their faith and the experience they’ve had. I, for my part, do believe that God is indeed capable do do things beyond our comprehension. I am however very skeptical and inclined to not believe these events myself and I will not base any decision of faith on any of these. I will not doubt the capability of the Lord, but I will doubt whether or not it was truly sent by Him. Without trying to discredit these supernatural events or those who believe in them, I must say that I do not believe.
What sort of ecumenical appreciation do you take away from reading about these events and to what degree do you discount them, shrug them off, or accept them?
It doesn’t in the least change my ecumenical appreciation. It’s neither making it better nor is it making it worse. I respect different opinions when it comes to these apparitions and I have mine which are generally skeptical. While I appreciate the sincerity of those who saw and believed, I will not be drawn into faith by those who witnessed these phenomena. If the God of the Bible and His Word are not leading me to faith, then what would my faith be worth if it resulted out of a supernatural phenomenon? Jesus Christ is my Lord and my Savior. I can have this faith outside of any supernatural event and apart from it. It doesn’t change my faith, it doesn’t lessen my faith and it doesn’t enhance my faith.
I’d say, let him who saw it believe and him who didn’t see, let him seek God.
What part does the supernatural of the post-Biblical age play in your faith journey and choice of Church?
It did play a part, but not in the sense of events approved by the Catholic Church. I will leave it at that. This is part of my personal faith and it is not meant for others.
Apart from that I do believe myself to have been led by the Lord to where I am now. I wouldn’t say that I didn’t make a slew of mistakes on the way and never strayed, but I do believe that God put the right people into my life at the right time. He led me and He challenged me, but never beyond what I can bear. That in and of itself is supernatural.
God is always at work around us and the question is whether or not we are seeing Him at work and are willing to join Him in what He is doing.
An example: I ran into a man just a week ago and I hardly know him. We started a conversation and I found myself listening most of the time without even trying to give him any advice that he wasn’t asking for. I just listened to what he was saying. When he got done he thanked my for the conversation and left. By that time he had told me half of his life’s story and had listed all of the mistakes he had made throughout the last 5 years plus… When we started talking he seemed depressed, but when he walked off, he looked relieved as if I had done something special or had said something special. All I had done is listening for most of this conversation.
I believe that God does put us in different places for a reason so that we can join Him in what He does. I could have told this gentleman that I didn’t have the time (which would have been true), but I didn’t because I knew that this was incredibly important.
God acts around us all the time and I don’t need an apparition to believe in Him.
I believe that God has the power to do anything He wishes to do, but that doesn’t mean that I have to believe aforementioned apparitions.
 
how much do they convict you to join or take seriously the churches in which these events are purported to occur?
little or none

my faith rests on Jesus Christ, the entire Word of God in whom Divine Revelation is complete and entire, as it is received, protected and handed on by the Catholic Church, His mystical Body on earth, which he founded.
 
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