To whom do you pray?

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I thought Catholics adamantly state that they do not pray “to” the saints, but that “ask” the saints to pray for them?

Yet the evidence in this poll shows that many Catholics pray “to” the saints?
 
I thought Catholics adamantly state that they do not pray “to” the saints, but that “ask” the saints to pray for them?

Yet the evidence in this poll shows that many Catholics pray “to” the saints?
I think Catholics would tell you that, in this sense, “pray” means to ask. As in, “I pray you, please do this or that.”

Jon
 
hmm

I never knew we could pray for the intersession of those in pugatory.

Oh well, you learn something new every day.😃
 
I thought Catholics adamantly state that they do not pray “to” the saints, but that “ask” the saints to pray for them?

Yet the evidence in this poll shows that many Catholics pray “to” the saints?
I think you misunderstand. Some Catholics (let’s call them Group A) say “We pray to Mary” whereas other Catholics (Group B) say “We do not pray to Mary”; but this is a difference of semantics. Group A and Group B do the same stuff, but Group A calls it “praying to Mary” whereas Group B does not.

It might help if you recall that Catholics used to speak of “worshipping Mary”, but now we don’t – but the thing that really changed is what we mean by “worship”.
 
To be quite accurate, Peter, what happened was that Catholics still use words like “pray”, and “worship” in the way that all Christians historically did until the 16th century and later.

It was nonCatholics who redefined those words, and others, so that by** their **new and ‘improved’ redefinition, it looked as though Catholics were doing wrong.

After all, if ‘pray’ means talk to God, and you read historic documents where Catholics ‘pray’ to the saints. . ., why naughty naughty Catholics, praying to somebody other than God is a big no-no. . .except that until relatively recently, ‘pray’ was understood by all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, to mean ‘ask’. . .just as William Shakespeare and others used it in common speech. Why we (Catholics) are expected to in essence ‘dumb down’ our speech with 2000 years worth of tradition and practice to accommodate the man-made and whimsical notions of some (not all) Protestants who have arbitrarily decided that ‘pray’ is only going to mean ‘talk to God’ is beyond me. . .I cannot imagine any reasonable person arguing that, for example, because “bread” was used as a slang term for money in the mid 20th century that from now on, all works, including the Bible, which use the word ‘bread’ will have to interpret that word as meaning solely and strictly ‘money’ because hey, that’s what it means to a ‘contemporary’ person, yo. And in fact, most Protestants would indignantly refuse to ‘change’ the biblical ‘bread’ into a 20th century ‘usage’. Why they have no problem superimposing a 20th century usage onto many other words of the Bible, I have no idea.
 
I thought Catholics adamantly state that they do not pray “to” the saints, but that “ask” the saints to pray for them?

Yet the evidence in this poll shows that many Catholics pray “to” the saints?
Hey, if they’re listening, why not?
 
To be quite accurate, Peter, what happened was that Catholics still use words like “pray”, and “worship” in the way that all Christians historically did until the 16th century and later.

It was nonCatholics who redefined those words, and others, so that by** their **new and ‘improved’ redefinition, it looked as though Catholics were doing wrong.

After all, if ‘pray’ means talk to God, and you read historic documents where Catholics ‘pray’ to the saints. . ., why naughty naughty Catholics, praying to somebody other than God is a big no-no. . .except that until relatively recently, ‘pray’ was understood by all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, to mean ‘ask’. . .just as William Shakespeare and others used it in common speech. Why we (Catholics) are expected to in essence ‘dumb down’ our speech with 2000 years worth of tradition and practice to accommodate the man-made and whimsical notions of some (not all) Protestants who have arbitrarily decided that ‘pray’ is only going to mean ‘talk to God’ is beyond me. . .I cannot imagine any reasonable person arguing that, for example, because “bread” was used as a slang term for money in the mid 20th century that from now on, all works, including the Bible, which use the word ‘bread’ will have to interpret that word as meaning solely and strictly ‘money’ because hey, that’s what it means to a ‘contemporary’ person, yo. And in fact, most Protestants would indignantly refuse to ‘change’ the biblical ‘bread’ into a 20th century ‘usage’. Why they have no problem superimposing a 20th century usage onto many other words of the Bible, I have no idea.
Yeah, those awful Protestants are always up to no good.
 
To be quite accurate, Peter, what happened was that Catholics still use words like “pray”, and “worship” in the way that all Christians historically did until the 16th century and later.

It was nonCatholics who redefined those words, and others, so that by** their **new and ‘improved’ redefinition, it looked as though Catholics were doing wrong.

After all, if ‘pray’ means talk to God, and you read historic documents where Catholics ‘pray’ to the saints. . ., why naughty naughty Catholics, praying to somebody other than God is a big no-no. . .except that until relatively recently, ‘pray’ was understood by all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, to mean ‘ask’. . .just as William Shakespeare and others used it in common speech. Why we (Catholics) are expected to in essence ‘dumb down’ our speech with 2000 years worth of tradition and practice to accommodate the man-made and whimsical notions of some (not all) Protestants who have arbitrarily decided that ‘pray’ is only going to mean ‘talk to God’ is beyond me. . .I cannot imagine any reasonable person arguing that, for example, because “bread” was used as a slang term for money in the mid 20th century that from now on, all works, including the Bible, which use the word ‘bread’ will have to interpret that word as meaning solely and strictly ‘money’ because hey, that’s what it means to a ‘contemporary’ person, yo. And in fact, most Protestants would indignantly refuse to ‘change’ the biblical ‘bread’ into a 20th century ‘usage’. Why they have no problem superimposing a 20th century usage onto many other words of the Bible, I have no idea.
I had to put my stamp of approval on this also.

I like these words thus spoken!

This is especially true for devotion to Mary with phrases such as “Refuge of Sinners”, etc. Gives me an idea for a thread topic!

Thanks!
 
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