Today's Mass readings (God's people cry out to Him / Re-marriage = adultery / Celibacy is God's preference?)

[Huiou_Theou]

i could be wrong but it appears you have an anger problem.

you at least have a lack of charity problem.

You also seem to have a presumption problem.

so i will decline to answer further… I don’t generally deal with hostile individuals.

:flowers:

I repeat, with nothing more to say:
May God find a way to bless you in your misery.

 

[distracted]

:flowers:

I repeat, with nothing more to say:
May God find a way to bless you in your misery.

told you you had a presumption problem…

you presume I am miserable…

 

[Huiou_Theou]

my body does NOT prefer it…

ever gone 100 years without sexual gratification of any kind?

neither have I but I have gone what SEEMS to be 100 years…

n. pl. mis·er·ies **1. ****a. ** The state of suffering and want as a result of physical circumstances or extreme poverty.
**b. ** Mental or emotional unhappiness or distress: “Our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions, and not on our circumstances” (Martha Washington).

**2. ** A cause or source of suffering.
**3. ** Informal A physical ache or ailment.

[Middle English miserie, from Old French, from Latin miseria, from miser, wretched.

Distracted,
If I have said something wrong – I’m sorry; but if not, “why do you strike me”?

Jesus was perfected through what he suffered – sufferings are also blessings.

I have OCD, you have PTSD, and I know what it is to really hurt inside. I am not trying to hurt you – just defend myself and explain God’s mercy as I see it. I will go through your back posts and try to understand you; I don’t have anything I can say to you and just hope I can at least find a reason to accept why you are being so acidic toward me; and let go of the distress I feel inside.



–Peace.

 

[cheeto1]

Pardon me if I am butting in to a private conversation, but neither of you used
private mail.

Huiou Theou, I am nervous about your seeming obsession with getting
distracted to agree with everything you say. You said you were married.

It’s true. Read Genesis ch. 19:30-38. Lot and his 2 daughters lived alone in a cave
after Sodom and Gomorrah.
They both wanted to have children and used their own father. They are the ancestors
of the Moabites and the Ammonites.
Now you know what Huiou Theou is talking about…
…I wish I didn’t know it too :dts: (they don’t even have a face to just look disgusted!)

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Pardon me if I am butting in to a private conversation, but neither of you used
private mail.

Huiou Theou, I am nervous about your seeming obsession with getting
distracted to agree with everything you say. You said you were married.

There is nothing private in the conversation;

I am married, I am also separated at the moment. What does that have to do with anything spoken here in my own defense and the defense of my position regarding scripture? eg: that even in the midst of sin, and paganism, one can find examples of God being merciful ? – or the secondary topic, the nature of marriage, celebacy, and vocations ?

I know what it is to be called to marriage – eg: literally hearing God’s voice encouraging one to marry a particular woman. The idea of a “call” vocation is intrinsic to every walk of life – whether priest, married, or single consecrated.

Distracted is rubbing certain ideas in people faces (mine included) regarding her sexuality – and using victim status PTSD as some kind of crutch for making these comments; to the point where she is willing to accuse me of a lack of charity for asking the obvious christian questions that come to an analytical mind; if she is going to accuse, she better produce the goods.

Once insulted, I have to listen to it in my head over and over and over and over…
I have already paid a price; That’s the nature of OCD. Depending on what Distracted chooses to do; I will likely reflect back what she has said in the past. Sometimes the only way to get a bossy and rude person to stop – is to keep reflecting their own stuff back at them (charitably) till they decide not to shove it at people any more. The golden rule is – do unto others as you would have them do to you. That’s all.

Nita is a woman as well as “Distracted” – compare their tone, understanding, and thoughtfulness. I take correction from Nita, she is logical, gentle, and non-bullying.
Distracted can choose to speak to me as she pleases; it will affect how I reply.

Feel free to PM me if you would like to go over some details that bother you.
I appreciate your on our behalf.

Your brother in Christ,
–Andrew.

 

[TristanCross]

Celibacy is good, yes. Does that mean sex is evil or that God perfers celibacy? No. The Lord commanded Adam and his wife, Eve, “Be fruitful and multiply”. If everyone remained celibate, we’d have no children. That’d be a shame. “Jesus loves the little children”

 

[cheeto1]

There is nothing private in the conversation;

I am married.
…What does that have to do with…the defense of my position regarding scripture?

Distracted is rubbing certain ideas in people faces (mine included) regarding her sexuality – and using victim status PTSD…

Once insulted, I have to listen to it in my head over and over and over and over…
I have already paid a price; That’s the nature of OCD…

The golden rule is – do unto others as you would have them do to you.

I know I should stop now, have I ever had success with “helping” others with their
disagreements?

Please forgive me in advance, I don’t mean to insult anyone. I love you both the
same, and appreciate both of you so much!!!

First of all, why should anyone be offended if someone else disagrees with them?
Naturally, people don’t agree on everything, we are all different people. Disagreeing
with someone is not an insult.

Secondly, if someone is truly rude to you, it is best to ignore it. Don’t think of
another person as “a rude person” because that is not true. We are not our
mistakes. We are unique human people. It gets boring real fast if we have to
get off the subject of discussion to decide who’s rude or not.

Now, you are married. Why should you waste your time trying to get a stranger to
agree with everything you say? Look how much knowledge you have, chances
are, if someone disagrees on a scripture matter, they don’t know all the stuff you
know. I would try being more clear first, before getting offended. And even then,
people do have a right to disagree without you getting angry. You also seem
to be doing this “victim thing” you accuse distracted of.

Marriage is a vow, like that one Japheth made. (oops!) Why do we promise to love someone forever when it is clearly out of our power? We are all unworthy, not just
the men in distracted’s life so far. Do not feel like you are more unworthy than
anyone else. God has to do His part, we have to do ours. I’m just afraid you feel
a certain closeness to distracted because you both have some kind of emotional
thing with a name. I wish your desire for that feeling of closeness would be
directed to your wife, and not another woman. I don’t know what happened between
you and your wife, but your baby daughter is in danger. If you ever recover enough
to think of her, the innocent one, before it’s too late, you can protect her from
pedophiles on the loose. They are looking for the children of single mothers, whose
father isn’t there to protect them. The mothers are lonely, and desparate for a
relationship, they are tricked by these evil men.

People go crazy with the feeling that they aren’t loved. That’s what makes people
lose their minds. That’s why it’s so good to know that God loves us. And NO ONE
can take that love away. The power of God’s love is with you. It is impossible to be
alone!

 

[Huiou_Theou]

I
Please forgive me in advance…

Forgiven without another thought.

First of all, why should anyone be offended if someone else disagrees with them?

I disagree with people regularly on these threads; that is not what offends me.
Your own case included.

Secondly, if someone is truly rude to you, it is best to ignore it. Don’t think of
another person as “a rude person” …

Iinteresting that you post in this thread against me, but not her in the other one ? Do YOU have an interest in Distracted, is that what’s going on? Hmmmmm…Et tu?
That’s not a sin either.

As I have told you – I have OCD, and once an insult enters my mind – I have to listen to it over, and over, and over, and …
I have no choice; there is no “ignore” button in my brain.
A person with real PTSD understands that.

Now, you are married. Why should you waste your time trying to get…

1st) I don’t waste my time – 2nd) my wife hates my religious knowledge. I can not speak to her about it. So why waste my time irritating my wife?

I would try being more clear first, before getting offended.

I did. I thoroughly documented the points that were necessary to understand what I was saying – if anything, I documented it too much; and tried too hard.

people do have a right to disagree without you getting angry. You also seem
to be doing this “victim thing” you accuse distracted of.

Who is angry ? I don’t understand your reference.
I have been emphatic – and I have explicitly stated that I was not yelling when I wrote those paragraphs as a note inside the text. Did you miss that part?
I was too tired to take the all caps and turn them into bold which looks less angry; so I just made a note.

Yes, I do appear to be doing it – that makes Distracted and I equals – no advantage to either side. I did not slam women in general – but Distracted did slam men in general. This is something I don’t see a need to tolerate.

Why do we promise to love someone forever when it is clearly out of our power?

What are you talking about? – I have the power to love; even those I do not like.
I married for the children, and for God’s calling, not because of “bliss”.

We are all unworthy, not just the men in distracted’s life so far.

No, I don’t think that’s true – though you are starting to wax philosophical here and it does tug at my emotional heart strings – We are not worthy of God – but we are often worthy of each other.

I don’t believe that it is proper to hold a low self opinion; I have watched a young man being screamed at over his “worthlessness” and “unworthyness” because his mother was angry. I couldn’t talk the mother out of doing this – and it really hurt the boy’s self image. It wasn’t his fault – he was too young to understand what he had done wrong – but the only thing that improved the child’s mother was being forced to go to work in a State supervised child care setting. Being inspected by people who can do real damage over minor infractions has had an effect on her; though not enough, it has taken the worst of the brunt off the child. I realize, now, in retrospect, the circumstances which forced her to go back to work were God’s gift.

I’m just afraid you feel a certain closeness to distracted because you both have some kind of emotional thing with a name.

is that a sin?
More-so, I recognize in Distracted’s dialogue a pattern which is from one of my sisters – a sister whom is now quite a bit better. She had to have things mirrored back to her before she could see what she was doing. Once the spoiled responses no longer work – she began to stop using them as a weapon and a defense; You see, one repeats something enough times – they begin to believe it, even if untrue. There is a term for it – ANT (Automatic Negative Thoughts).

I wish your desire for that feeling of closeness would be
directed to your wife, and not another woman. I don’t know what happened between
you and your wife, but your baby daughter is in danger.

My sister in law has been both a prostitute on occasion (by definition trading sexual favors in exchange for things of monetary value – even if not money itself), linked up with exotic dancing, into drugs, and with men who were child pornographers and she is even domestically violent on occasion. My mother in law put my niece back into such a situation though she had FULL custody – and my wife was dragging my children into the same situation with her sister because of my mother in law.

I can’t protect my children from pedophiles, I have proof, – I trusted the church and sent a child into the arms of one alone on accident – think how that affects how I view your argument. (I didn’t sue as it isn’t worth revealing what happened in entirety.).

There is a photo on this site of a non-sexual nature of that very Pedophile with two of my kids. I know you mean well – but you really have no clue how these things relate. A woman who is angry will often do the thing her husband fears most in order to hurt him – I fear for my children. Guess what I need to be really detached from in order to protect them ???

MY OCD is based on ANXIETY – worry about what will happen and what has happened. I see things all TOO clearly – and as they come to pass, without my being able to DO anything, I become increasingly prone to anxiety.

If you know anything about how the justice system works, and about marriage esp. Catholic ones, status quo, etc. You would understand more of how this can get to a man; and how powerless one can be – because of how difficult it is to document anything that will actually stand up in court. It rips you up inside.
Somehow, by the grace of God, my worst fears did not happen – though they still could. One broken leg (spiral fracture of the femur) is all that happened to my children physically so far; and my wife is not as difficult as she has been in the past.

People go crazy with the feeling that they aren’t loved. That’s what makes people
lose their minds.

You are preaching to the choir.
But again, how Distracted chooses to talk to me will influence the response.
If she has less knowledge, then she can admit it and excuse herself – or she can hide it and test the limits of how far her arguments really fly. Reality is not a bad thing.

Again, if you have specific issues with any of the argument I have presented – bring it up. I am as willing to discuss it with you as with Distracted (Anger not included). As to this idea of my wasting on another woman – rest assured – my medication kills all desire off; I would have to actively try in order to sin that way – Distracted is like a sister, of which I have three; I treat her accordingly with the same Christian love.

 

[distracted]

n. pl. mis·er·ies **1. ****a. ** The state of suffering and want as a result of physical circumstances or extreme poverty.
**b. ** Mental or emotional unhappiness or distress: “Our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions, and not on our circumstances” (Martha Washington).

**2. ** A cause or source of suffering.
**3. ** Informal A physical ache or ailment.

[Middle English miserie, from Old French, from Latin miseria, from miser,

wretched.

Distracted,
If I have said something wrong – I’m sorry; but if not, “why do you strike me”?

Jesus was perfected through what he suffered – sufferings are also blessings.

I have OCD, you have PTSD, and I know what it is to really hurt inside. I am not trying to hurt you – just defend myself and explain God’s mercy as I see it. I will go through your back posts and try to understand you; I don’t have anything I can say to you and just hope I can at least find a reason to accept why you are being so acidic toward me; and let go of the distress I feel inside.



–Peace. its simple: You were acidic to me… and besides, i was not “acidic” … i was just speaking my mind… I thoguht that was OK

I am not suffering, as in miserable all the time… Just because my body wants sex doesn’t mean much… and I only notice it wants it once in awhile… its not like i go around, unconsciously or otherwise, whining that i can’t have sex… not even close…

sex kinda grosses me out anywya…

at least the way it is portrayed these days…

making love and having sex are too entirely different things…

 

[distracted]

Pardon me if I am butting in to a private conversation, but neither of you used
private mail.

Huiou Theou, I am nervous about your seeming obsession with getting
distracted to agree with everything you say. You said you were married.

It’s true. Read Genesis ch. 19:30-38. Lot and his 2 daughters lived alone in a cave
after Sodom and Gomorrah.
They both wanted to have children and used their own father. They are the ancestors
of the Moabites and the Ammonites.
Now you know what Huiou Theou is talking about…
…I wish I didn’t know it too :dts: (they don’t even have a face to just look disgusted!)

ok, i recall the storybut had lost sight of the fact it was Lot’s daughters who did that…

havent’ studied Genesis lately…

too busy studying how the Left is fascist…

 

[distracted]

I thought some of what you said was interesting and good but this following is the last straw. I am not going to continue discussing anything with someone who thinks i am this kind of person… andthis without even KNOWING me… This confirms my previous “assessments”

Distracted is rubbing certain ideas in people faces (mine included) regarding her sexuality – and using victim status PTSD as some kind of crutch for making these comments; to the point where she is willing to accuse me of a lack of charity for asking the obvious christian questions that come to an analytical mind; if she is going to accuse, she better produce the goods.

.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

I thought some of what you said was interesting and good but this following is the last straw. I am not going to continue discussing anything with someone who thinks i am this kind of person… andthis without even KNOWING me… This confirms my previous “assessments”

Acidic:
n.

1. 
   *]Chemistry.
   1. 
      *] Any of a class of substances whose aqueous solutions are characterized by a sour taste, the ability to turn blue litmus red, and the ability to react with bases and certain metals to form salts.
      *] A substance that yields hydrogen ions when dissolved in water.
      *] A substance that can act as a proton donor.
      *] A substance that can accept a pair of electrons to form a covalent bond.
      
      *] A substance having a sour taste.
      *] The quality of being sarcastic, bitter, or scornful: wrote with acid about her first marriage.
      *]Slang. See LSD1.
      
      I must admit, the man you are with now is NOT your husband – eg: that he should KNOW the inside of you. But, then, let me bless you thusly – since you prefer not the blessing of perfection through suffering of your pap psychology !
      
      May you be anathema, should you be a man parading as a woman; May you live to see your mind fully exposed in the public forum. May this last as long as the sun crosses the sky, the moon in her orbit – or as long as it takes for you to hit the floor laughing, whichever comes first. No deposit, no return.
      
      
      
      I have told you the truth; I am not lying.

 

[cheeto1]

Well this is truly a private conversation, and I apologize for butting in…
I hope we can all still talk about the daily readings…

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Well this is truly a private conversation, and I apologize for butting in…
I hope we can all still talk about the daily readings…

I think I finally get why, perhaps, Distracted thought I was being acid toward her – although I was just being defensive and wanting the same respect she demands.

… I asked God waht vocation HE wanted for me and i heard, in my head, very clearly, the word “marriage”. I couldn’t figure out who i was supposed to marry… had a crush on this one guy but he didn’t like Cahtolics… looked elsewhere… Then asked God who my husband was… heard a name (someone i had been attracted to but was not pursuing in any way…)… That didn’t work out (the guy was kinda worlldy, etc.)… Anyway… i don’t think i would be a good wife so i don’t know why God would want me to be married.

God never revokes a call – if one refuses to listen, the call will continue. Often the vocation that is the most annoying is the right one (Fr. Groeschel pointed that out), and that harder one tries to control the call, the worse one feels.

Distracted, I’ll remember to pray for when I spend quiet time in adoration. It did work out for my sister; often times it takes someone on the outside to see the obvious.
One sister graduated summa; and there is a relationship between intelligence and susceptibility to depression. I see the same thing in Distracted; I knew before I even looked that she had heard the call;

As I sit here, my daughter is on my chest – fussing – and I even though my wife and I are apart; I can say that in misery is also the possibility of joy (not “happiness”).
When a woman knows that her time is upon her there is great sorrow; but in the midst of that is joy that another man is born into the world. For me, I have always – through thick and thin – thanked my wife for the gift of our children. She will always be the mother of our kids.

No one can be another’s friend, unless they allow it.

 

[distracted]

I

God never revokes a call – if one refuses to listen, the call will continue. Often the vocation that is the most annoying is the right one (Fr. Groeschel pointed that out),

yeah, because its a CROSS and Jesus says to pick up our crosses and carry them…

there’s no avoiding crosses - just living life is a cross no matter how your life is… but there are crosses ordained by God and crosses NOT ordained by God…

They all hurt… but at least the ones ordained by God make some kind of sense - if only we look hard enough to find that sense…

I see the same thing in Distracted; I knew before I even looked that she had heard the call;

i don’t u/stand this

 

[distracted]

Distracted is rubbing certain ideas in people faces (mine included) regarding her sexuality – and using victim status PTSD as some kind of crutch for making these comments; to the point where she is willing to accuse me of a lack of charity for asking the obvious christian questions that come to an analytical mind; if she is going to accuse, she better produce the goods.

.

you really need help…

you see evil where it does not exist and you claim to know motives that only God knows…

and you refuse to apologize - to admit you were wrong… but just seem to be making excuses… as you claim i am making them…

In any case, like i said, i don’t deal w/ hostile people - esp those who accuse me of motives without even knowing me. You seem to have some kind of anger that you choose to take it out on me…

well, you can find a better way…

 

[distracted]

Well this is truly a private conversation, and I apologize for butting in…
I hope we can all still talk about the daily readings…

thanks for the concern but i don’t do private conversations on the public forums…

and i certainly would never choose to have a private relationship with someone as caustic as … forget his name but you know…

 

[distracted]

That’s not what the Gospel says. And not what the Catholic Church teaches. You’re of course free to prefer celibacy or think it’s preferable.

there is a STRONG implication there… with the Bible AND the Church

 

[diggerdomer]

there is a STRONG implication there… with the Bible AND the Church

I was not implying anything, I merely meant what I said.

You may have inferred something from it that I didn’t intend though.

 

[distracted]

I was not implying anything, I merely meant what I said.

You may have inferred something from it that I didn’t intend though.

i know from that greatest of all teachers Experience , that celibacy is best…

all the men i fell in love w/ in the past were men i initially htought were “worthy”… I found out the very hard way just how true that was…

and then God showed me that … none of them was worthy… Men in general are not worthy (too promiscuous, as i see it).

There is one man (in all my life…) whom i tend to think is possibly worthy (someone i met yrs and yrs ago) but i don’t know him so can’t say…(its always something) …

but If he’s anything like the others…

forget it…

in any case, i know Jesus loves me… i don’t have to wonder all the time… as i do with a human…