Tom Brady Suspended

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Caldera599 said:
espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12867594/punishments-handed-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-deflategate

Not enough punishment. He should face criminal charges for this
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CRIMINAL punishment??? CRIMINAL?!?!?!?!?!?

You have GOT to be kidding! In the United States of America, you need PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT for a CRIMINAL CONVICTION. You would seriously waste the taxpayers’ money on a “more probable than not” assertion that some lackey at the behest of the greatest quarterback of all time let some air out of a football?

PS: this “investigation” was done by the same “consulting firm” that found that second-hand cigarette smoke DOESN’T cause cancer. boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/11/deflategate-report-consulting-firm-has-history-conflict-interests/9kCXbYqioq7QmzoCZdl7wM/story.html

While boston.com isn’t a friend of the Catholic Church; it is the cyberspace arm of the Boston Globe - the newspaper of record in Boston. This wasn’t a bogus story written by some fanboy in his mother’s basement. This is the real deal.

Seriously… are you a Jets fan? Colts fan? Ravens? Seahawks? Steelers? Only a jealous fan whose team has been whipped on national TV by Brady and his crew could possibly utter such a laughable statement.

I am blown away.

Regardless of whether they reduce Tom’s suspension or not; I would NOT want to be the Indianapolis Colts on Week 6. As the team that started all this, they were going to feel the wrath of the Pats anyway… But now this??? Yikes. If the Patriots can score 60 or 70 on them - they will.
 
rfournier103 said:
CRIMINAL punishment??? CRIMINAL?!?!?!?!?!?

You have GOT to be kidding! In the United States of America, you need PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT for a CRIMINAL CONVICTION. You would seriously waste the taxpayers’ money on a “more probable than not” assertion that some lackey at the behest of the greatest quarterback of all time let some air out of a football?

PS: this “investigation” was done by the same “consulting firm” that found that second-hand cigarette smoke DOESN’T cause cancer. boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/11/deflategate-report-consulting-firm-has-history-conflict-interests/9kCXbYqioq7QmzoCZdl7wM/story.html

While boston.com isn’t a friend of the Catholic Church; it is the cyberspace arm of the Boston Globe - the newspaper of record in Boston. This wasn’t a bogus story written by some fanboy in his mother’s basement. This is the real deal.

Seriously… are you a Jets fan? Colts fan? Ravens? Seahawks? Steelers? Only a jealous fan whose team has been whipped on national TV by Brady and his crew could possibly utter such a laughable statement.

I am blown away.

Regardless of whether they reduce Tom’s suspension or not; I would NOT want to be the Indianapolis Colts on Week 6. As the team that started all this, they were going to feel the wrath of the Pats anyway… But now this??? Yikes. If the Patriots can score 60 or 70 on them - they will.
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In the article I linked to above, Schwab seems convinced there is an agenda. I’m quite inclined to agree.

And if I’m the Patriots, I’m letting every single team in the NFL know that they are going to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb every time they play someone to look for violations that could result in the same penalties NE is facing.

If this is the new standard, it needs to be applied evenly across the board. I just hope other fan-bases realize that amidst what could be jealousy and envy.

Wouldn’t that put the NFL in a pretty pickle?

I’d love to see what the fans of the Packers, Chargers or Steelers would say if their QB was suspended for the first four games.

In their cases that would be enough to keep them from going to the playoffs.
 
OP, can you please explain why criminal charges should be brought up?
 
Breaking the rules of a game is not something that reaches the level of criminal culpability.

Penalty boxes, lost yards, and misconducts are the way that sports deal with unsportsmanlike conduct.

In hockey, people used to curve their sticks more than the rules allowed, and goalies would use pads that were bigger than the rules allowed. The opposition coaches would take note, and call for a measurement at the most inopportune time for the offending team, and the penalty would be assessed.

That is the kind of behavior involved in the ball ‘scandal’. and really the solution is much the same. It is really up to the opposing team to notice what is going on in the game, and call attention to rule breaches at the time most advantagous to them, so that a penalty will be called in real time, and their odds of them winning the game are improved by the calling out the ‘naughty’ behavior of the other team.

It is the responsibility of the officials and the other team to make sure that their opponents are being honest. The opposing teams dropped the ball on this, and so did the officials.

There are times when post-game reviews ought to be used to suspend players for a time or even permanently, but that is when there are deliberate attempts to injure an opponent that are more than a breach of the rules,and are a breach of the spirit of the game too.
If New England got away with something, chances are that every teams has gotten away with an illegal block, or a clip, or a illegal roughing of the kicker or passer at some point too. That is all just a part of the game. Too bad, so sad. Important games are won and lost by missed calls or bad calls all the time. And people will go on sports talk shows and belly ache about these until nobody will listen.
Missing out on deflated balls was such a missed call.It hardly raises to the level of a necessary suspension, let along criminal behavior as has been suggested here.
New England won. It reflects really poorly on those of us that did not want that to happen to not accept that fact, and continue to make such mountains out of molehills.
 
rfournier103 said:
CRIMINAL punishment??? CRIMINAL?!?!?!?!?!?

You have GOT to be kidding! In the United States of America, you need PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT for a CRIMINAL CONVICTION. You would seriously waste the taxpayers’ money on a “more probable than not” assertion that some lackey at the behest of the greatest quarterback of all time let some air out of a football?

PS: this “investigation” was done by the same “consulting firm” that found that second-hand cigarette smoke DOESN’T cause cancer. boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/11/deflategate-report-consulting-firm-has-history-conflict-interests/9kCXbYqioq7QmzoCZdl7wM/story.html

While boston.com isn’t a friend of the Catholic Church; it is the cyberspace arm of the Boston Globe - the newspaper of record in Boston. This wasn’t a bogus story written by some fanboy in his mother’s basement. This is the real deal.

Seriously… are you a Jets fan? Colts fan? Ravens? Seahawks? Steelers? Only a jealous fan whose team has been whipped on national TV by Brady and his crew could possibly utter such a laughable statement.

I am blown away.

Regardless of whether they reduce Tom’s suspension or not; I would NOT want to be the Indianapolis Colts on Week 6. As the team that started all this, they were going to feel the wrath of the Pats anyway… But now this??? Yikes. If the Patriots can score 60 or 70 on them - they will.
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I’m actually a Patriots fan concerned about the integrity of the game.

Other players caught doing stuff like this faced legal action. They actually charged members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox in relation to the Black Sox scandal. Fines and suspensions aren’t curbing contempt for the rules and fair play. More drastic action is needed.

And why is it whenever someone criticizes the Patriots, fans assume it’s because theyre supporters of another club who got beaten by them? Stuff like that is one of the reasons Patriots fans are one of the most reviled fanbases in professional sports.
 
Caldera599 said:
Other players caught doing stuff like this faced legal action. They actually charged members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox in relation to the Black Sox scandal. Fines and suspensions aren’t curbing contempt for the rules and fair play. More drastic action is needed.
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The Black Sox scandal was different. They broke laws, fixing games so those running the gambling racket would come out on top. The ball deflating is breaking a rule- something I’m sure every team does, the Pats just happened to get caught. I agree that it’s messed up. I’m a fan of integrity in sports. The steroid issue in baseball almost brings tears to my eyes. But criminal charges for possibly being involved in deflating footballs a little bit is absurd.
 
At risk of turning this from a sports debate into a political debate… Wouldn’t you be a bit worried about a government that had that much power?
 
I just don’t believe Tom Brady would cheat. Why would someone on such an award winning, talented team even need to? Why risk everything, especially your reputation? I don’t believe he did it. The patriots would have won anyway.
 
All I can say is it’s a good thing Brady’s deflated balls bore no resemblance to the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), or he’d be in real trouble.
 
Somehow I find this unreasonable funny. Cheating is wrong of course, and I feel bad for those who were affected by this, but I couldn’t help to laugh when I red it. Some things are too silly to be angry about.
 
What the Colt player did in telling the officials about the ball is fine, that is part of the game as well.

It seems there was a prior incident during regular season. I think another team noticed it happened, the Jets or Eagles.
 
I am extremely comforted that these high crimes are being dealt with and that justice has been served. Now we can get back to such mundane subjects like abortion, terrorism, and the declining church.

Sports are games. These people are paid to play a game.

Perspective.
 
jaimeleglise said:
I just don’t believe Tom Brady would cheat. Why would someone on such an award winning, talented team even need to? Why risk everything, especially your reputation? I don’t believe he did it. The patriots would have won anyway.
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Even Andrew Luck conceded that point.
 
jaimeleglise said:
I just don’t believe Tom Brady would cheat. Why would someone on such an award winning, talented team even need to? Why risk everything, especially your reputation? I don’t believe he did it. The patriots would have won anyway.
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Because he is ultracompetative and takes every advantage he can get. And the Pats would have won in any case but it isn’t as if they had a crystal ball to let them know that before the game
 
If a player is using a corked bat, never hits the ball and his team still wins, a wrong still happened nonetheless.
 
🍿 Has anyone been able to video a “replay” of 13 footballs having an exact measurement of air being let out of each ball within 110 seconds? Just wondering…🍿
 
Path_Finder said:
If a player is using a corked bat, never hits the ball and his team still wins, a wrong still happened nonetheless.
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If the player didn’t actually cork the bat and didn’t even know that it was corked, does he deserve to be punished? In this case, there’s no actual evidence that Brady knew anything about ball tampering.
 
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