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4HisChurch
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I wonder how many people Scientology will get from the publicity?
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MeusVita
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Poor Katie!
Here’s a quote from L.Ron Hubbard:
"The entirety of Roman Catholicism - the devil, all of this sort of thing - that is all part of R6."
–Source: “Assists” lecture. 3 October 1968. #10 in the confidential Class VIII series of lectures.
By the way, “R6” is scientology slang for “An Alien Mind Implant.”
Here’s a quote from L.Ron Hubbard:
"The entirety of Roman Catholicism - the devil, all of this sort of thing - that is all part of R6."
–Source: “Assists” lecture. 3 October 1968. #10 in the confidential Class VIII series of lectures.
By the way, “R6” is scientology slang for “An Alien Mind Implant.”
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azcelt
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speaking of cruise,there was always something about him that gave me the willys,he,s got that weird cult following glow about him.in christ,celt
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Cece
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My brother has been lost to that cult. He quit it (they are looking
for him), but it still affects him. I believe he lost his mind from it, as he began hearing voices. Now, he may have had problems anyway, but they appeared at the time he was attempting to quit. Prior to that, he was relatively normal. Although he is no longer active, it still affects his thinking. He will not seek medical care because of the belief about medication. I believe the cult seeks out and attracts unstable people, and discourages medication because this may help their delusions.
There is most certainly brainwashing involved. It is most certainly
diabolical. My brother is not an evil person, but he is no longer
the person he was. He rarely speaks to any of us, particularly me
because I am so straightforward about what I think of it all. He
is a lost soul; I wonder how culpable he is. I pray for healing; I sincerely believe he is possessed because of the voices. I’ve
left it in the hands of God. He doesn’t perpetrate evil on people
because at heart he is a good person. Out of charity, pray for
our brothers and sisters who fall prey to this. The sacraments are the only antidote to this pervading evil. Jesus is our only answer.
Funny, he knows this and accepts this, but is unable to grasp it fully. God help us.
for him), but it still affects him. I believe he lost his mind from it, as he began hearing voices. Now, he may have had problems anyway, but they appeared at the time he was attempting to quit. Prior to that, he was relatively normal. Although he is no longer active, it still affects his thinking. He will not seek medical care because of the belief about medication. I believe the cult seeks out and attracts unstable people, and discourages medication because this may help their delusions.
There is most certainly brainwashing involved. It is most certainly
diabolical. My brother is not an evil person, but he is no longer
the person he was. He rarely speaks to any of us, particularly me
because I am so straightforward about what I think of it all. He
is a lost soul; I wonder how culpable he is. I pray for healing; I sincerely believe he is possessed because of the voices. I’ve
left it in the hands of God. He doesn’t perpetrate evil on people
because at heart he is a good person. Out of charity, pray for
our brothers and sisters who fall prey to this. The sacraments are the only antidote to this pervading evil. Jesus is our only answer.
Funny, he knows this and accepts this, but is unable to grasp it fully. God help us.
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Dan_Blake
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Rand Al'Thor:
It is because most Catholics receive no instruction in the faith and are Catholic in name only.
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4HisChurch
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Cece,My brother has been lost to that cult. He quit it (they are looking
for him), but it still affects him. I believe he lost his mind from it, as he began hearing voices. Now, he may have had problems anyway, but they appeared at the time he was attempting to quit. Prior to that, he was relatively normal. Although he is no longer active, it still affects his thinking. He will not seek medical care because of the belief about medication. I believe the cult seeks out and attracts unstable people, and discourages medication because this may help their delusions.
There is most certainly brainwashing involved. It is most certainly
diabolical. My brother is not an evil person, but he is no longer
the person he was. He rarely speaks to any of us, particularly me
because I am so straightforward about what I think of it all. He
is a lost soul; I wonder how culpable he is. I pray for healing; I sincerely believe he is possessed because of the voices. I’ve
left it in the hands of God. He doesn’t perpetrate evil on people
because at heart he is a good person. Out of charity, pray for
our brothers and sisters who fall prey to this. The sacraments are the only antidote to this pervading evil. Jesus is our only answer.
Funny, he knows this and accepts this, but is unable to grasp it fully. God help us.
I’m so sorry to hear about your brother. I have family members with mental illness and I know how hard it is to care so much for our “lost souls” and not be able to help them.
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tossolul
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It’s kind of ironic, in a bad way that the two famous men that I looked up to, or maybe more had crushes on - have not only done some major changes in their life, but have gone in exact opposite directions.
I just watched Brad Pitt on primetime or one of those shows talking about his desire to help the starving people in Africa- trying to get the message across about how little could do so much for these people… You could see in his eyes and hear in his voice that he really cared about helping these people. It really seemed like something had clicked inside of him about what this life is all about. Then I stumble across this about Tom Cruise. I actually saw a couple clips of him on t.v. one with Oprah and one on the news at a movie premiere or something. I remember thinking he just really looked and acted not like how I remember him. Different, but not in a good way…Now maybe I know why.
I just watched Brad Pitt on primetime or one of those shows talking about his desire to help the starving people in Africa- trying to get the message across about how little could do so much for these people… You could see in his eyes and hear in his voice that he really cared about helping these people. It really seemed like something had clicked inside of him about what this life is all about. Then I stumble across this about Tom Cruise. I actually saw a couple clips of him on t.v. one with Oprah and one on the news at a movie premiere or something. I remember thinking he just really looked and acted not like how I remember him. Different, but not in a good way…Now maybe I know why.
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Kyenta
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Regarding Tom Cruises prior religious affiliations, the new issue of Readers Digest June 2005 he is asked:
“You were Catholic originally?”
His answer, “Well, we went from Episcopalian, to Atheist to Catholic…”
That is strange. He is talking about his family. Atheist? I don’t believe he ever understood the true meaning of being Catholic. I know that his mom still says she is Catholic.
“You were Catholic originally?”
His answer, “Well, we went from Episcopalian, to Atheist to Catholic…”
That is strange. He is talking about his family. Atheist? I don’t believe he ever understood the true meaning of being Catholic. I know that his mom still says she is Catholic.
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Jennifer123
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Tom certainly isn’t an atheist anymore, in fact the opposite in reverse 
. This is quoted from an interview with L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s son):
“… Also I’ve got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate.” Interviewer: “The devil?” Ron Jr.: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe.
"Scientology is black magic that is spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or at most; a few weeks. But in Scientology it is stretched out over a lifetime and so you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology - and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works.
"Also you’ve got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn’t have worshipped anything, I mean. When you think you’re the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything let alone worship.
“… The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: ‘Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.’ It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations.”
. This is quoted from an interview with L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s son):“… Also I’ve got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate.” Interviewer: “The devil?” Ron Jr.: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe.
"Scientology is black magic that is spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or at most; a few weeks. But in Scientology it is stretched out over a lifetime and so you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology - and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works.
"Also you’ve got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn’t have worshipped anything, I mean. When you think you’re the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything let alone worship.
“… The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: ‘Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.’ It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations.”
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Celia
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YikesTom certainly isn’t an atheist anymore, in fact the opposite in reverse
“… Also I’ve got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate.” Interviewer: “The devil?” Ron Jr.: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe.
"Scientology is black magic that is spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or at most; a few weeks. But in Scientology it is stretched out over a lifetime and so you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology - and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works.
"Also you’ve got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn’t have worshipped anything, I mean. When you think you’re the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything let alone worship.
“… The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: ‘Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.’ It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations.”
That is some creepy stuff. I feel sorry for the people involved in this cultish religion.
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BillG
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Brooke Shields Blasts Tom Cruise on Anti-Depressants
From Newsmax.com:
“You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do.” Cruise told Matt Lauer
He went on to say there was no such thing as chemical imbalances that need to be corrected with drugs, and that depression could be treated with exercise and vitamins. Shields called those remarks “a disservice to mothers everywhere.”
Shields said she considered swallowing a bottle of pills or jumping out the window at the lowest point of her depression following the birth of her daughter, Rowan Francis, in 2003. A doctor later attributed her feelings to a plunge in her estrogen and progesterone levels and prescribed the antidepressant Paxil.
“If any good can come of Mr. Cruise’s ridiculous rant, let’s hope that it gives much-needed attention to a serious disease,” she wrote.
Question: She was referring to Scientology, right?
From Newsmax.com:
“You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do.” Cruise told Matt Lauer
He went on to say there was no such thing as chemical imbalances that need to be corrected with drugs, and that depression could be treated with exercise and vitamins. Shields called those remarks “a disservice to mothers everywhere.”
Shields said she considered swallowing a bottle of pills or jumping out the window at the lowest point of her depression following the birth of her daughter, Rowan Francis, in 2003. A doctor later attributed her feelings to a plunge in her estrogen and progesterone levels and prescribed the antidepressant Paxil.
“If any good can come of Mr. Cruise’s ridiculous rant, let’s hope that it gives much-needed attention to a serious disease,” she wrote.
Question: She was referring to Scientology, right?
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ElizabethJoy
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Good one!I don’t think she was, but it sure fits. Go, Brooke! So Tom Cruise has studied the history of psychology and that makes him qualified to diagnose what?
Anything having to do with L Ron Hubbard is poison. Aleister Crowley was evil, but he was relatively innocuous because most people could read his stuff and realize that he was a crackpot.
Hubbard has repackaged a whole lot of evil in such a way that a person is sucked in gradually, with little appearance of evil and little reason to question “self” at any given step. Even people of high intelligence are being pulled into this “religion” in droves.
It’s interesting that so many of the Hollyweird crowd have fallen for it - a sociologist could do a heck of a thesis on this phenomenon.
Elizabeth
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Milliardo
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Interestingly, as a side note, Brooke Shields is a Catholic. Or is that was?
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FuzzyBunny116
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I think I read somewhere that its only an illusion, that theres only about six famous Scientologists. Still, for such a small religion, the proportions are scary…
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sassy11
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I know that John Travolta is also into scientology. I remember seeing something about it on TV. To be in the religion I think you have to donate something like $100,000 and if you donate more than you are awarded some kind of status. If you wonder why a lot of people in hollywood are into this religion. Its because they have money. I pretty sure most people in this forum do not make $1M a year or have that kind of money laying around to give out. Tom Cruise knows about pyschology, I wonder if he knows if he sounds crazy when he talks. hmmm… 
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MommyMe
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Hello,
I would like to answer this. I am a Scientologist, however, I have a bit of a background in Catholicism, as my father was Catholic. I was not raised Catholic - we didn’t really go to church at all - but my brother and his family are Catholic, as is my sister.
I have great respect for Catholicism, as a number of my friends are Catholic, including my babysitter, who attends Mass weekly - and also takes Scientology courses and receives Scientology counseling.
That said –
There are so many rumors about Scientology, and most of what I read is either completely false or extremely altered from the truth.
Regarding Scientologists and medicine, we do indeed take medicine as needed. I myself just finished a course of antibiotics for a urinary tract infection. (I am pregnant with my 7th baby, so this was very important that I do so!) My children recently got into some poison ivy and they are using cortisone cream to alleviate the symptoms of that. My husband had a toothache today, and took tylenol.
We do not take psychotropic medications, however, because they are so highly dangerous and don’t cure the problems the person is trying to solve.
For instance - following childbirth, some women experience a drop in progesterone levels. This, in addition to lack of sleep, inadequate nutrition to meet the demands of childbirth recovery and breastfeeding, and other hormonal imbalances, can create postpartum depression. I myself experienced severe postpartum depression after the birth of my 4th child.
What is the proper treatment for these things? I would say, not being a doctor, but having some knowledge of these things, that natural progesterone treatment, getting lots of sleep, additional vitamins (especially calcium and magnesium for breastfeeding mothers), some sunshine, etc., are important. Of course, it depends on the particular mother. Did she have a c-section? Are her thyroid levels normal? Her blood sugar? All these things would need to be checked and treated if found to be irregular.
But what happens these days when a woman suffers postpartum depression? What happened to Brooke Shields?
They go to their doctor, or a psychiatrist, and are given a prescription for Paxil or Prozac.
Does this handle the hormonal fluctuations? Not at all.
These drugs have been found to increase a person’s risk of suicide - from double to quadruple the risk! In test subjects, not just those “already depressed”. Paxil has been found - in several studies - to be no more effective than a placebo.
So - Scientologists do, indeed, take medications as needed. We do not take psychotropic drugs that increase one’s risk of suicidal or homicidal thoughts.
cchr.org/postpartum.htm
I would be happy to answer any questions about Scientology. There are a number of other things I’ve seen here that I would like to address, including the fact that there are MANY Scientologists who are also Catholic - including, as I said, my own kids’ babysitter.
I don’t, however, know if I am welcome to post here, as I am not a member of the Catholic Church. I do, however, have great respect for Catholicism, and would be happy to extend a hand in friendship to anyone here, with the intention of increasing understanding and goodwill.
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janeinla@yahoo.com
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carol_marie
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Mommyme,
You are most welcome to post here. I don’t know that we’ve had any Scientologists - you may be the first?
Thank you for your willingness to answer questions - I have one. When researching Scientology, I came across a quote by L.Ron Hubbard (spelled correctly?) were he totally slammed Jesus Christ & Christians. (“The man on the cross… there was NO Christ…” ) So said you knew of several Catholic Scientologists… I’m wondering then how a Catholic could accept his views on other things when he was so anit- Christ? Also, the past life thing… that is not compatable at all with our beliefs.
I was going to provide some quotes from L. Ron Hubbard but there were too many to copy so here is a website that lists several.
ezlink.com/~perry/Co$/Christian/
(scroll down in the yellow section & click on Scientology & Christianity)
Thank you,
CM
You are most welcome to post here. I don’t know that we’ve had any Scientologists - you may be the first?
Thank you for your willingness to answer questions - I have one. When researching Scientology, I came across a quote by L.Ron Hubbard (spelled correctly?) were he totally slammed Jesus Christ & Christians. (“The man on the cross… there was NO Christ…” ) So said you knew of several Catholic Scientologists… I’m wondering then how a Catholic could accept his views on other things when he was so anit- Christ? Also, the past life thing… that is not compatable at all with our beliefs.
I was going to provide some quotes from L. Ron Hubbard but there were too many to copy so here is a website that lists several.
ezlink.com/~perry/Co$/Christian/
(scroll down in the yellow section & click on Scientology & Christianity)
Thank you,
CM
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I don’t doubt that, we have many who claim to be Catholics yet they are not.
Scientology is incompatible with Catholicism.
For those who wish to learn about Scientology from those who escaped the brainwashing, which I partook of a bit of but thanks to good strong friends I was saved from wasting too much money on it, I suggest that you go to the following website.
Operation Clambake
There is much useful information on what Scientology teaches, some of which is only open to those who make it to the higher levels and thus have ungone much brainwashing. That is the only explaination as to how someone would believe this stuff.
You should also scroll down to the Book Shelf, all the books listed are avalible online. The first one, which I am reading right now is very good. Here is a link to it, A Piece of Blue Sky. It is written by someone who got away from Scientology.
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carol_marie
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I was really hoping that Mommyme - the Scientologist, would address some of these issues?
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Chazemataz
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I recently skimmed through Dianetics at Borders. I have never seen such a peice of nonsensical grabadge in my whole life. I cant really think of words to describe it, maybe “lies” “written by an idiot who cant even write science fiction” “clumsy” and “BS”. It wont cure you of anything, except maybe insomnia. The idiot who wrote it said himself:" if there are two ways a man can get rich quick, it is by wirting a book or starting a religion." Well he did both. Do you honsetly believe that truckload of lies? Do you reall y believ an alien dragon named Xenu took the “tethans” or whatever of people in the ancient times and put them into a theatre and then dumped them into bodies, and that by getting rid of them you can become a God? Seriously? Then you apparently DO need to learn how to have good mental health. Hubbard made a bet with his buddy that he could start a weird religion and peopel would beleive it and follow him- he didn’t even believe his won religion! He was an atheist. What does that tell you followers of the Scientology cult?
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