Tom Cruise to be a godparent!

[Yerusalyim]

Yep, you’re right on this issue, Katie did convert…silly girl.

However, you have no knowledge whatsoever about the status of an ANNULLMENT for Marc or J Lo. You can know about marriages from the database, but not the status of their annullment, if any exists. Nor would there be a public record of a convalidation of a marriage on your database. Lack of an annullment would not, in and of itself, prevent the child from being baptized, though it is potentially an impediment.

The priest along with his bishop, is the competent authority to make decisions about baptism, not us.

I would hope that the priest would deny baptism if there is no reasonable expectation that the child will be raised Catholic. That being said the priest will have more information on that issue than we here do.

 

[Nordar]

Yep, you’re right on this issue, Katie did convert…silly girl.

However, you have no knowledge whatsoever about the status of an ANNULLMENT for Marc or J Lo. You can know about marriages from the database, but not the status of their annullment, if any exists. Nor would there be a public record of a convalidation of a marriage on your database. Lack of an annullment would not, in and of itself, prevent the child from being baptized, though it is potentially an impediment.

The priest along with his bishop, is the competent authority to make decisions about baptism, not us.

I would hope that the priest would deny baptism if there is no reasonable expectation that the child will be raised Catholic. That being said the priest will have more information on that issue than we here do.

The original discussion was not about whether or not J.Lo and MA have annulments or not. It was about Cruise who is a Scientologist being the God father!

 

[Nordar]

You said it could only be a at “renegade” Catholic parish. I’m saying that it might be at what passes in LA as a “normal” Catholic parish. There are lists and lists of parishes in the LA archdiocese that are **not **considered “renegade” but will baptize these children. If I’m mistaken I’m sorry.

Further, it doesn’t have to happen in LA. All these people have money. They can fly wherever, to whatever really, truly Catholic parish and have it done. It doesn’t make it right, but it can indeed happen.

So, there is a possibility that some priest who is in good standing someplace will just baptize these children, without the hope that they will be raised Catholic, because their parents were bapitzed Catholic, their half-siblings have been baptized Catholic, and because of the celebrity the couple offers.

Here’s what gets me: There are Hollyowood celebs who are Catholics who at least make an effort. Fine. They do their best and toddle along. They will not lead people astray in their celebrity.

Then there are Hollywood celebs who get to twist canon law and do pretty much what they darn well please. Priests let them, heck, cardinals let them. They give the poorly catechized the idea that they, too, can just go off and do whatever as well, because so-and-so did it.

I realize God is their judge, and somebody these celebs are going to have to face Him. But I so hope and pray for the others who are being led astray by them- and Yes, in that instance, I do have the right to discern that their behavior is deplorable, and that it is wrong.

I agree with everything you said As far as I am concerned any Church that would baptise the babies and allow Cruise to be God Father is a renegade. that’s what I meant

 

[Yerusalyim]

Yep, the original issue was about Cruise being GodFather…who knows, perhaps it’s a publicity stunt or he’s actually only standing in for a Catholic Godfather…I concur the priest should not allow Cruise or Holmes to be actual GodParents.

 

[Nordar]

Yep, the original issue was about Cruise being GodFather…who knows, perhaps it’s a publicity stunt or he’s actually only standing in for a Catholic Godfather…I concur the priest should not allow Cruise or Holmes to be actual GodParents.

No one even knows yet if the babies are being baptised Catholic! Although come to think of it I don’t believe that Scientologist baptise their children, so maybe they are being baptised Catholic

 

[He_Man]

I would think they could ensure the public that it will not occur since the godparents have to promise to help raise the kid Catholic if the parents die. This is normal part of the baptismal ceremony as far as I know.

I just wish Cardinal Mahoney would take a stand against this.

I think you know the answer to that wish, my friend.

There’s a greater chance of having Officer Mahoney from “Police Academy” do something about this sort of thing.

 

[cyberwolf001]

No one even knows yet if the babies are being baptised Catholic! Although come to think of it I don’t believe that Scientologist baptise their children, so maybe they are being baptised Catholic

They do indeed have “baptisms” and “Godparents”

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I deconverted and this leaves a bad taste in my mouth…

 

[Jabronie]

I would think they could ensure the public that it will not occur since the godparents have to promise to help raise the kid Catholic if the parents die. This is normal part of the baptismal ceremony as far as I know.

I just wish Cardinal Mahoney would take a stand against this.

When do American Cardinals take a stand on anything?

 

[He_Man]

When do American Cardinals take a stand on anything?

Last time I remember it happening was when Jeff Suppan took a public stand against embryonic stem cell research.

He’s a pitcher for the St. Louis Cardinals

 

[Nordar]

They do indeed have “baptisms” and “Godparents”

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I deconverted and this leaves a bad taste in my mouth…

I never said that they didn’t, I said I believe they didn’t, so I was wrong! I have known to have been wrong before! and will be again no doubt.

 

[rien]

When do American Cardinals take a stand on anything?

My opinion only but many US Cardinals/Bishops no longer beleive. If for no other reason then out of fear. As in if they allow hersey they will be condemned to Hell. But they don’t seem to have that fear. I really think many, perhaps most, don’t beleive anymore. Likewise many catholics.

Defacto schism is here and few dare call it out. Any wonder Catholics are bailing by the boatloads for other faiths or no faith!

 

[ALLGIRLS]

My opinion only but many US Cardinals/Bishops no longer beleive. If for no other reason then out of fear. As in if they allow hersey they will be condemned to Hell. But they don’t seem to have that fear. I really think many, perhaps most, don’t beleive anymore. Likewise many catholics.

Defacto schism is here and few dare call it out. Any wonder Catholics are bailing by the boatloads for other faiths or no faith!

Fortunately, we in the St. Louis Archdiocese are blessed w/ an Archbishop who does take a stand and speaks out publicly against heresy and schism, and isn’t afraid to excommunicate people. And, he gets slammed regularly by the press (no surprise there), but also by so-called “faithful” Catholics who insist he’s just a media hound and power hungry and shouldn’t be speaking about “political” issues (like abortion and embryonic research) b/c we have “separation of church and state”. I thank God everyday that Raymond Burke isn’t afraid to proclaim the Truth, and as much as I love having him here, I often wonder if he wouldn’t do more good in someplace like L.A. or another radical, dissenting diocese. He could go a long way in cleaning up the Church’s “American” image (because I’m sure when people think of the "Church in America, they’re thinking L.A. or N.Y., not St. Louis-we’re the “Rome of the west”).

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Monicathree]

Yes, this is not a good thing about renegade churches. But here is something scarier…xenu.net
I have been doing some research on the origins and beliefs of Scientology and my friends, it is demonic. An absolute cult. I really hope J.Lo and MA don’t fall for it, but appealing to the ego, well, that can be sooooo appealing…
if you can check out that site, do…I first clicked on the one of ex scientologists that were born and raised in the faith and then left…

Also, what can be done about this Bishops…not just figuratively, I mean literally, if severe abuses are proven, does one write to The Vatican…what can be done…if nobody reports these kinds of things, how can they be reprimanded and set right…??

 

[gochrist9436]

youtube.com/watch?v=aRe0e-Vr0-U

What Scientology believes

 

[Ryan29]

Did he jump on the couch for that? To Tom Cruise baptizing a child in Scientology is if you read Dianetics it’s…

“Take the baby, the earth bound celestial being and dip their hair, the strands of non-folding material and tell the child that the space Lord called Xakzidu is their firegod protector as long as Zowder and Stezen are our space bound overlords.”

So… :bigyikes: :bigyikes: :bigyikes: