Tony Blair says Catholic Condom Ban is putting lives at risk

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Well since his wife is such a stellar theologian in the faith, i’m sure he knows what he’s talking about. I’d like his answer on why someone who will not abstain from sex as the Church teaches will avoid using condoms while having that sex because of Church teaching against them. If a Catholic doesn’t use a condom for extramarital sex, it ain’t 'cause the Church is against 'em.:rolleyes:
 
Not worth loosing sleep over. Funny too how the U.N. due to the Vatican’s stance on birth control, accuses them of human rights violations. Since when is birth control a human right? Birth control is a death sentence. We can only pray that Tony Blair will see the light. How long is it going to be when our world leaders stop betraying human beings and not being afraid to call a spade a spade? We must pray that God’s will be done and not follow the ways of man.
 
Memo to Tony Blair: It’s not the Church’s stance on condoms that puts lives at risk, it’s the choices that people make that puts lives at risk.

In any case, the Church has no legal way to ban condoms in any country.
 
dafalax said:
Well since his wife is such a stellar theologian in the faith,
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? What exactly is wrong with Cherie Blair? She doesn’t claim to be a theologian, last time I looked.
If a Catholic doesn’t use a condom for extramarital sex, it ain’t 'cause the Church is against 'em.:rolleyes:
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Perhaps, but they may be a lot more difficult or downright impossible to obtain in the first place because the Church is against them.

Mike
 
MikeWM said:
? What exactly is wrong with Cherie Blair? She doesn’t claim to be a theologian, last time I looked.

Perhaps, but they may be a lot more difficult or downright impossible to obtain in the first place because the Church is against them.

Mike
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How are they more difficult to obtain because of the Church’s stance? That might have been true a hundred years ago, but the Church’s political power is nowhere near as great, even in Catholic countries.
 
LRThunder said:
How are they more difficult to obtain because of the Church’s stance? That might have been true a hundred years ago, but the Church’s political power is nowhere near as great, even in Catholic countries.
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In the West, yes. Not half so much in Africa, for example.

Note I’m obviously not saying that using condoms is correct behaviour, but to say the Church’s position has no effect on the availability of condoms is just wrong.

Mike
 
MikeWM said:
In the West, yes. Not half so much in Africa, for example.

Note I’m obviously not saying that using condoms is correct behaviour, but to say the Church’s position has no effect on the availability of condoms is just wrong.

Mike
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But it goes back to my first position: it’s not the Church’s fault that people choose to engage in risky behavior. If they didn’t engage in risky behavior, they wouldn’t have to worry about potentially lethal consequences.
 
It’s not the Church who “bans” condoms–it’s God who does. Don’t like it, take it up with Him. Blair is implying our august religion is man-made. That’s just plain ignorant.

I also agree with one of the above posts. The guy going to the prostitute outside his mining camp is not worried about making informed moral decisions based on Church teaching.
 
Genesis315 said:
It’s not the Church who “bans” condoms–it’s God who does. Don’t like it, take it up with Him. Blair is implying our august religion is man-made. That’s just plain ignorant.

I also agree with one of the above posts. The guy going to the prostitute outside his mining camp is not worried about making informed moral decisions based on Church teaching.
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👍:clapping:
 
James_2_24 said:
Tony Blair, in a message that seemed to be aimed directly at the Vatican, warned that the Catholic Church’s ban on contraceptioon is putting lives at risk and hampering the fight against HIV and Aids.

Pretty good article/opinion on the issue at Domus Dei blog:

domusdei.org/2006/12/02/catholic-condom-ban-is-putting-lives-at-risksays-blair/
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Promiscuity is putting lives at risk and hampering the fight against HIV and AIDS. If everyone followed the Church’s teachings there would be no way in fact there were be no suddenly transmitted diseases of all.
 
MikeWM said:
Perhaps, but they may be a lot more difficult or downright impossible to obtain in the first place because the Church is against them.
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What about an aspirin between the knees, then? Works every time it’s tried.
 
MikeWM said:
? What exactly is wrong with Cherie Blair? She doesn’t claim to be a theologian, last time I looked.

Perhaps, but they may be a lot more difficult or downright impossible to obtain in the first place because the Church is against them.

Mike
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Cherie Blair does claim to be Catholic and dissents with the Church on contraception. I can only assume it was years of intense prayer and theological study that led her to that conclusion.
Also, the last time i checked, the Church’s ministry did not include running all the drugstores in Africa. Why blame the Church because some guy’s too cheap to spend a dollar in a convenience store bathroom?
Also the last time i checked, Uganda, where the Church’s abstinence only policy was in full force, was the only African nation whose AIDS infection rate was going down. If you want to write off Africans as creatures who can’t stop copulating to save their own lives, go ahead, but i’ll stick with the ONLY church in the world who acknowledges their dignity and helps them to live up to the standards of rational human beings.
 
dafalax said:
Cherie Blair does claim to be Catholic and dissents with the Church on contraception. I can only assume it was years of intense prayer and theological study that led her to that conclusion.
Also, the last time i checked, the Church’s ministry did not include running all the drugstores in Africa. Why blame the Church because some guy’s too cheap to spend a dollar in a convenience store bathroom?
Also the last time i checked, Uganda, where the Church’s abstinence only policy was in full force, was the only African nation whose AIDS infection rate was going down. If you want to write off Africans as creatures who can’t stop copulating to save their own lives, go ahead, but i’ll stick with the ONLY church in the world who acknowledges their dignity and helps them to live up to the standards of rational human beings.
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One of the biggest complaints one hears from health-care workers in rural Africa is that have store rooms full of donated condoms but shortagesof rubber gloves and other basic Medical supplies. The primary focus of Western organizations working in Africa is to limit the number of black babies born.
 
Ah Yes,

So the Hon. Mr. Blair has fallen for the argument that all those adulterers, fornicators and rapists in the world are not using condoms just because the Vatican has expressed it’s disapproval.

:rolleyes:
 
dafalax said:
If you want to write off Africans as creatures who can’t stop copulating to save their own lives, go ahead, but i’ll stick with the ONLY church in the world who acknowledges their dignity and helps them to live up to the standards of rational human beings.
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:clapping:
 
dafalax said:
Cherie Blair does claim to be Catholic and dissents with the Church on contraception. I can only assume it was years of intense prayer and theological study that led her to that conclusion.
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Most Catholics disagree with that position too, at least privately. I don’t see it as a particularly good reason to criticise her faith as a whole.
Why blame the Church because some guy’s too cheap to spend a dollar in a convenience store bathroom?
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That’s not the way things work in most of Africa, as I’m sure you know.
Also the last time i checked, Uganda, where the Church’s abstinence only policy was in full force, was the only African nation whose AIDS infection rate was going down.
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I’d check again. Since the shift in emphasis from the three-pronged ABC approach to an approach discouraging condom use

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4195968.stm

the infection rate is rapidly increasing again

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6166530.stm
If you want to write off Africans as creatures who can’t stop copulating to save their own lives, go ahead,
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Strawman. I implied no such thing. That applies to all human beings, not just Africans. We’re all sinners and all as obsessed with sex as each other.

Mike
 
MikeWM said:
Most Catholics disagree with that position too, at least privately. I don’t see it as a particularly good reason to criticise her faith as a whole.
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James 2:10 And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all.

Just because most Catholics obstinately persist in a certain sin, doesn’t make it ok.
 
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