Too many right-wingers in this forum?

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I am a Christian, but aside from being pro-life, I would have to say my views lean leftwards. I am against the Iraq War (who would Jesus bomb?) and capital punishment. Remember, Jesus was killed under capital punishment.

Thumbing through some of the threads, I can’t help but notice a good bit of anti-leftism hanging around. There was once a guy who had some pretty radical views who didn’t get much respect from the churches either. I think his name was Jesus.
 
I am a Christian, but aside from being pro-life, I would have to say my views lean leftwards. I am against the Iraq War (who would Jesus bomb?) and capital punishment. Remember, Jesus was killed under capital punishment.

Thumbing through some of the threads, I can’t help but notice a good bit of anti-leftism hanging around. There was once a guy who had some pretty radical views who didn’t get much respect from the churches either. I think his name was Jesus.
I love that quote about Jesus being killed by capital punishment. But he wasn’t protected by any free speech laws, either, you could say you are a messiah and make millions of your claim by founding a religious that is allegedly based on science.
 
Hello,As for the war in Iraq,an explination would be too long.Concerning capital punishment ,read the CCC.#2258,2259,2260,2261,2262,2263,2264,2265,2266.As for capital punishment being responsible for the death of our Lord please remember,our sins(your’s and mine)are responsible for His trial,verdict and death on the cross.🙂
 
I am a Christian, but aside from being pro-life, I would have to say my views lean leftwards. I am against the Iraq War (who would Jesus bomb?) and capital punishment. Remember, Jesus was killed under capital punishment.
No, Jesus was killed under the Law of Moses. Do you deny its validity?

Marcionist Supersessionism is a heresy, you know.
 
I am a Christian, but aside from being pro-life, I would have to say my views lean leftwards. I am against the Iraq War (who would Jesus bomb?) and capital punishment. Remember, Jesus was killed under capital punishment.

Thumbing through some of the threads, I can’t help but notice a good bit of anti-leftism hanging around. There was once a guy who had some pretty radical views who didn’t get much respect from the churches either. I think his name was Jesus.
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You will be safe from knuckle-draggers threre.

Blessings.
 
You will be safe from knuckle-draggers threre.
Well, apparently Neanderthals had no sexual division of labor or social stratification. Meanwhile Cro-Magnon did. Because they divided labor and tasks, they were more efficient, and Neanderthals died out.

Who’s the knuckledragger?
 
Well, apparently Neanderthals had no sexual division of labor or social stratification. Meanwhile Cro-Magnon did. Because they divided labor and tasks, they were more efficient, and Neanderthals died out.

Who’s the knuckledragger?
Those eviiiil right wingers
 
It was not all that long ago (historically speaking) that the “right” was defined as being against wars of American nationalisn/colonialism (as in the Philippines) and wars of entangling foreign alliances (such as the first world war). A great number of those “right-wingers” were very devout Christians and were on that side because they were Christians. Maybe you are not a leftist, maybe you are a paleo-conservative and the problem is there are too many left-wingers in this forum. 😉
 
It was not all that long ago (historically speaking) that the “right” was defined as being against wars of American nationalisn/colonialism (as in the Philippines) and wars of entangling foreign alliances (such as the first world war). A great number of those “right-wingers” were very devout Christians and were on that side because they were Christians. Maybe you are not a leftist, maybe you are a paleo-conservative and the problem is there are too many left-wingers in this forum. 😉
Good point (I get a lot of people who shake their heads when I point out that all the current political situation would likely not have happened had Wilson not taken the US into war in WWI, first through providing logistics support to the Allies and then through providing military support…and the roots of that came with McKinley’s administration).

But, rather than calling names, wouldn’t it be better to simply debate the facts, analyzing them through the filter of the Magesterium? (Since this is, after all, a Catholic board)
 
But, rather than calling names, wouldn’t it be better to simply debate the facts, analyzing them through the filter of the Magesterium? (Since this is, after all, a Catholic board)
Indeed - getting away from labels is exactly the point I was trying to make - only my sarcasm got in the way of clarity.

And, the capital punishment one is a good example of why we do not go by scripture alone to determine our course. St. John Damascene, responding to the “sola scriptura” crowd of his day, the iconoclasts, said, “And I say to you, that Moses, on account of the hardness of heart of the sons of Israel, ordered them not to make images, for he knew their tendency to slip into idolatry. But now it is not so; we stand securely on the rock of faith enriched by the light of knowledge of God.” It was through the filter of tradition and the magesterium that we understand the intent of prohibitions on graven images, why would not also look to the same authority on the intent of capital punishment?

So, what does the magesterium teach on the war in Iraq or the death penalty?
 
But, rather than calling names, wouldn’t it be better to simply debate the facts, analyzing them through the filter of the Magesterium? (Since this is, after all, a Catholic board)
On this thread, the name-calling travels left to right.

As to the original poster, I think the reason things lean so far right is in the one exception you mention: abortion. It’s a biggie. Probably THE biggie, “the left” has firmly entrenched into their platform. To a lesser degree other immoral issues, like homosexual marriage, often start on our east coast/left coast.

“Left” is a slippery category to be sure. The other issues you mention, the Iraq war and the death penalty, or two issues I will disagree on, but I have total tolerance and understanding for both sides. I am also pretty “leftist” on most socio-economic issues, like immigration and poverty. I, for one, swing far right to far left, depending on the topic.

That’s the problem with labels. Now excuse me while I bandage my knuckles.
 
I am a Christian, but aside from being pro-life, I would have to say my views lean leftwards. I am against the Iraq War (who would Jesus bomb?) and capital punishment. Remember, Jesus was killed under capital punishment.

Thumbing through some of the threads, I can’t help but notice a good bit of anti-leftism hanging around. There was once a guy who had some pretty radical views who didn’t get much respect from the churches either. I think his name was Jesus.
And, He taught strict morality and holiness, which means to be “set apart:” Leftist ideology tends to be very worldly and godless. It preaches acceptance of everything it agrees with and intolerance of that which it disagrees with. It can explain both banning capital punishment (death of the guilty) and abortion (death of the innocent). Thus, it is contradictory. It favors the heart to the detriment of the head.

The polar opposite favors the brain over the heart. In its extreme, it can be heartless. Christ’s ideas were counter to both ways of thinking, revealing that God is a combination, to some extent, of both philosophies. Christ was being very moral when he violently drove the moneychangers out of the temple. Notice he did not attempt to “tolerate”, “accept” or “reason” with them. He was absolutely intolerant of evil, being goodness itself. However, His Sacred Heart was extremely forgiving of true repentance.

If you think that abortion is the “right to choose”, then war is also a right to choose - since abortion and war both deal with unwanted life. However, neither God nor the Catholic church ban all war (there are “just” wars) or all capital punishment (if it is the only way to protect society), but they both absolutely ban all abortion. So, before you automatically pull that (D) lever in the voting booth, choose wisely. Very few liberals/Democrats are pro-life - almost none proudly so.

As you progress through life, your views will change. I have conformed my views to the Church - some of which were very difficult to change. What have you changed or given up for your faith?

Christ’s peace.
 
One big reason why I cringe at the “left” is the blind acceptance of marxist ideals. After years of studying marxist theory and other theories to explain why societies function as they do, I can assure you that much of the platform of the “left” analyzes societal ills and norms based upon a Marxist paradigm. They have forgotten that it is only ONE way of analyzing societal problems, and there are other ways of looking at problems, searching for circumstances to explain these wrongs and then fix them. The “right” minded thinkers are not “evil,” we just have a different perspective to analyze the ills of society, and how to achieve those goals.

Sadly, too many political minds just swallow the Marxist assumptions without forethought or understanding. They might not think their policies to help the downtrodden are evil, but when followed to their logical conclusion, you can see the horror (abortion being one horror, as poverty is often given as an “excuse” or “reason” for the killing of the innocent child).

I really loved studying the Reagan era (did you know he studied sociology as well?). Much of his presidency was guided by the “Structural-Functional” perspective (with a heavy dose of anti-marxism) He felt that many institutions, although perhaps at first created for positive reason (ie welfare), soon exist to feed itself. No one wants to be out of a job, so large bureaucracies would work to keep themselves in business. They could do this by never fully helping those in poverty to achieve independence, keeping one tied to the system or perhaps by changing definitions of need to keep a steady stream of “clients”.

I watch the elections this year and I am sad to see that there seems to be no candidate that is aware of the evils of Marxism. To slowly abdicate your personal rights (healthcare, fertility rights, etc, etc) is WRONG and many of the proposed “helps” are far too intrusive to be good in the end. I blame an education system founded in marxist reasoning (oppression of the downtrodden by those in power = marxist reasoning ie: power can only be gained by “taking” taking from others). We are giving our children only one way of thinking out solutions to societal ills, and marxism seems to be it.

When the left abandons marxist ideology and abortion as their foundations, perhaps I’ll take a look at them. Until then, I favor an anti-abortion ground, that promotes the dignity of the individual.
 
The only reason Church teaching appears to skew right is because modern leftism has largely given itself over to relativism and consequentialism. As many a liberal has said, “I didn’t abandon liberalism, liberalism abandoned me!” Church teaching is properly neither conservative/liberal, but it looks conservative to someone who has mostly untethered themselves from absolute moral norms.
 
I don’t think the Church skews “right” at all. (if we use “right” in the American sense).

John Paul would have liked to see more welfare, and he was a vocal opponent of the war in Iraq. The Church is just very “right” on social issues like abortion, stem cell research, etc.
 
I don’t think the Church skews “right” at all. (if we use “right” in the American sense).

John Paul would have liked to see more welfare, and he was a vocal opponent of the war in Iraq. The Church is just very “right” on social issues like abortion, stem cell research, etc.
Which is why I said “appears” to skew right. It doesn’t actually skew right. Church teaching is what it is, and when someone who thinks abortion is only evil circumstantially and sees the Church teaching that it is evil absolutely, then to them it looks conservative.

Helping the poor (which is different than welfare) and the obligation to safeguard peace are moral norms that have force, but they are not absolute moral norms like abortion, euthanasia ect. which take priority. This is why it is particularly frustrating at election time when some people try to attach riders of social entitlements to the life issues as if it would be ok to vote for someone who wanted to re-institute chattel slavery because he was in favor of universal health care.
 
The only reason Church teaching appears to skew right is because modern leftism has largely given itself over to relativism and consequentialism. As many a liberal has said, “I didn’t abandon liberalism, liberalism abandoned me!” Church teaching is properly neither conservative/liberal, but it looks conservative to someone who has mostly untethered themselves from absolute moral norms.
Brevity is the soul of wit. Well said. 👍
 
As the great Presbyterian theologian R. L. Dabney said,

‘American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward to perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It tends to risk nothing serious for the sake of truth.’
 
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