Too mushy at Peace?

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I think that the gesture at peace should not be regulated heavily because gestures will vary based on cultures and also the relationship between two people. For example, I give my wife a kiss and my kids a kiss, but I will shake hands with a stranger.

I think what should be done is actually moving this to a more appropriate time in the mass, like at the offertory. This is being considered by the Holy Father.

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I don’t mind a quick hug and/or kiss between family members, but not with other people. At my parish, it’s not over-the-top with people going down the aisles or across the aisles. They usually just give the sign of peace to their family and people in very close proximity to them. If I’m not surrounded by a lot of people I will just smile and put my hand up as a sign of peace to someone who turns around.

I’ve been to some parishes, though, where the sign-of-peace becomes a noisy social “hour” with cheesy piano background music as if you’re in a cocktail hour. It’s very disconcerting and totally breaks the spiritual aspect of the mass.
 
We are all taught that this is the time to “settle disagreements before bringing your offering.” The time to make sure everything is “cool” between you and your brother (or sister) before you take communion as Jesus mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew:
""Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. "
-Matthew 5:23
Hi, although I’ve heard this before, I have to say that it makes no sense to me. If I’m in Mass standing next to someone and I have ‘issues’ with them, then its a bit late eh? You can’t make “peace” with someone in 2 minutes of smile and hug. Its only a superficial peace if you have problems with that person.
I guess a hug and a kiss would be ok but only if I’m standing next to a very attractive young woman. Otherwise I try to keep it a little more formal.
Hi, I’m sure you are jesting right? I’m sure you are a gentleman.

This is one of the main reasons we don’t go to such parishes anymore. I remember one brave young girl who went to Mass alone and she was standing next to my husband and my husband just cringed because he had to “hold hands” with this poor girl and “shake hands” with her. I could feel her shyness and discomfort. No young girl wants to hold hands or hug or touch a strange man.

I’m old, and I don’t like to touch men I don’t know. Nevermind when I was an adolescent.

I think its creepy, but thats just me. I’ll only go to a parish without the touching and feeling aspects of Mass.

Actually, I dream of the old days were women and men were on seperate sides of the Church. Would be nice…
 
This is one of the main reasons we don’t go to such parishes anymore. I remember one brave young girl who went to Mass alone and she was standing next to my husband and my husband just cringed because he had to “hold hands” with this poor girl and “shake hands” with her. I could feel her shyness and discomfort. No young girl wants to hold hands or hug or touch a strange man.
Are you calling your husband strange?? 😃 I feel for that young girl, and also for your husband. “Forced touching”, regardless of the intent and regardless of who it is, is very uncomfortable, not just for me but for quite a few other individuals I know. I actually have been going to a different parish in my diocese each week the past couple of months, and there have been times, space permitting, that I will sit as far away as I can to be out of “touching” range. Currently I haven’t found a parish here yet (besides the TLM that’s held at one of them… but OF there still has the peace) that doesn’t end up making me feel extremely emotionally taxed and vulnerable. Again, I don’t mind a handshake from someone I know pretty well, and I will even give my close friends a hug here and there, but when it is someone that I couldn’t even pick out of a lineup (hope to never have to do that), if you want to touch me, get to know me.

God Bless!
Ericka
 
Well when I give the sign of peace to my wife, I kiss her on the lips. I hope this doesn’t upset people, but, if it does, then the problem is theirs, not mine.

Jim
 
I certainly am not one to advocate the overlong or “mushy” sign of peace but I am getting an impression of standoffishness and aversion from some posters. I am of the more conservative variety when it come to Mass but this impression is one of the things that I do not care for in very conservative parishes.

The sign of peace should be simple and not last very long- I also would like to see it moved until after the Offeratory.

I am offended when I extend my hand and someone will not shake it- with no explanation- this is very bad manners. If I have a cold I stick out my hands and whisper that I have a cold. It’s common courtesy.
 
I certainly am not one to advocate the overlong or “mushy” sign of peace but I am getting an impression of standoffishness and aversion from some posters. I am of the more conservative variety when it come to Mass but this impression is one of the things that I do not care for in very conservative parishes.

I am offended when I extend my hand and someone will not shake it- with no explanation- this is very bad manners. If I have a cold I stick out my hands and whisper that I have a cold. It’s common courtesy.
I don’t think it is “standoffishness” at all. I am a very friendly person, I am just not one who likes to make physical contact with people who it is obvious are ill. Maybe you like shaking the hand of someone who has just sneezed or coughed into their hands, I don’t.🤷
 
That’s why I said that people should indicate that they cannot shake hands versus simply refusing to shake someone’s hand with no explanation.

If someone doesn’t have the courtesy to think of others if they have a cold then that is sad and indeed inconsiderate of them. But we shake hands outside of Mass all the time and these people may be equally inconsiderate.

Also I believe that someone stated that they don’t like being touched- this seems to stand outside of the issue of illness.
 
Hi, I’m sure you are jesting right? I’m sure you are a gentleman.

This is one of the main reasons we don’t go to such parishes anymore. I remember one brave young girl who went to Mass alone and she was standing next to my husband and my husband just cringed because he had to “hold hands” with this poor girl and “shake hands” with her. I could feel her shyness and discomfort. No young girl wants to hold hands or hug or touch a strange man.

I’m old, and I don’t like to touch men I don’t know. Nevermind when I was an adolescent.

I think its creepy, but thats just me. I’ll only go to a parish without the touching and feeling aspects of Mass.

Actually, I dream of the old days were women and men were on seperate sides of the Church. Would be nice…
Yes, I was kidding. I can’t imagine that a young girl standing next to a strange man would be expected to exchange hugs.

On another note, I’m widowed, but when my wife was alive, we exchanged kisses, just not at Mass. In many places now, there seems to be a transformation of what has always been intended as a liturgical sign into a “couples moment.” It’s really not the purpose of the sign of peace. If it were, the priest could just announce "OK, let’s all exchange hugs or kisses with our significant others. The sign of peace has been around for a thousand years as a liturgical sign; only recently has it become a public display of affection.
 
Also I believe that someone stated that they don’t like being touched- this seems to stand outside of the issue of illness.
I don’t like to be touched for various reasons, and one of them is due to the fact I will overreact but not know I have until afterwards. Some people have trauma inflicted upon them (PTSD), and I see it as equally as valid reason as physical illness to not being touched. Also, would someone with OCD, and being physically touched is one of their phobias, have to be touched?

Please, don’t misunderstand me… I’m not saying that all signs of physical affection are bad. Married couples giving each other a QUICK peck on the lips is not bad, either. A handshake between people who know each other fairly well is perfectly fine. My issue is that I don’t like being touched by strangers. And I know I am not the only one in that boat.

I do realize we are all one in the Body of Christ, and some people are naturally more physically affectionate than others and do like to give hugs and shake hands with everyone. That is their own personal preferance. I am more than happy to give handshakes, provided I know the person, and have met them more than once or twice. I, however, think it’s more effective to show them the Peace of Christ on my face and in my eyes. A handshake can be “faked”, if you will. But there is no mistaking the Peace of Christ on someone’s face.

God Bless,
Ericka
 
If someone doesn’t have the courtesy to think of others if they have a cold then that is sad and indeed inconsiderate of them. But we shake hands outside of Mass all the time and these people may be equally inconsiderate.
Unfortunately, there are some people who are like that, but they don’t think it’s inconsiderate at all. They believe that because they are at mass, there is no way that they could pass on their cold to other people. I’ve met people like that, who have actually related this belief to me. It’s not common, but when I have encountered people like that at a couple masses, I’ve ended up getting a cold and sore throat shortly thereafter and lost a good portion of my income due to having to cancel music performances. They don’t mind shaking hands with other people with colds either. I once had a cold, but was well enough to be at mass although I was still coughing just a little. I sat away from everyone. During the sign of peace one person walked up to me. I politely and softly told him that I had a cold and didn’t want to give it to him. “Oh, I don’t care,” he replied and proceeded to grab and shake my hand then went on to other people shaking their hands and passing my germs to the others. I felt so bad.
Also I believe that someone stated that they don’t like being touched- this seems to stand outside of the issue of illness.
I know that you weren’t meaning to downplay and put down people who don’t like being touched, but I just want to point out that there are legitimate reasons, other than sickness, for people who would not want to be or cannot be touched, due to certain experiences, situations, etc. One example would be an abuse victim. The thought of a stranger - especially of the gender of the abuser, could be too much for that person to make any kind of physical contact. As a person who experienced this myself and knowing others who were in worse abuse situations, I know that this is a real thing. Some of these people may not have gotten to a point either on their own or through therapy where they can handle physical contact. I mean, they really can’t say, “I’m sorry, I can’t shake your hand. I was sexually abused by my uncle and you look like him. The thought of being touched by you brings back horrible memories.” Yes, they can eventually get through this period and may be able to handle physical contact in the future, but until that time, we can’t tell those people to just suck it up and shake that man’s hand. You especially can’t say that to a child or teenager who are either currently going through the abuse or are trying to deal with the past abuse on their own because even their own parents had no idea that their brother abuse their own child.

There could also be people who are xenophobic or have other kinds of phobias which keep them from wanting to have physical contact not just with strangers, but even with people they know.

Then there are just people who don’t believe in doing the sign of peace, feeling that it takes away from the mass. I have friends who will not do it at all. They will kneel and pray or just close their eyes and pray while it is happening. I’m not turned off by it or think it’s inconsiderate. I respect it and know it is part of their spiritual journey.

Anyway, they are just things I remind myself of when there are people who don’t want to do a physical sign of peace.
 
Well when I give the sign of peace to my wife, I kiss her on the lips. I hope this doesn’t upset people, but, if it does, then the problem is theirs, not mine.

Jim
Hi Jim, it doesn’t “upset” me, but its … I don’t know?
Its just me I’m sure. I wouldn’t kiss my husband on the lips in Church and I love him to death.

I prefer to be in a setting where it is stripped of human affairs and just me and God.

God is supposed to come before our spouses too.

But nowadays, people do all manner of things in Church and its all normal so its me thats the odd duck.
 
Hi Jim, it doesn’t “upset” me, but its … I don’t know?
Its just me I’m sure. I wouldn’t kiss my husband on the lips in Church and I love him to death.

I prefer to be in a setting where it is stripped of human affairs and just me and God.

God is supposed to come before our spouses too.

But nowadays, people do all manner of things in Church and its all normal so its me thats the odd duck.
Yes, there is a difference between a liturgical gesture and a public display of affection. You are fine. The Sign of Peace is intended to be a liturgical gesture, not a couples moment.
 
does anyone think some people get way too mushy at the sign of peace? like they hug and kiss and get all mushy about it. what is your opinion?
I peck DH on the lips and smile at him

I hug my baby

I hug my little bro and sis

I hold up my hand to anyone else who makes eye contact (you know, the generic Indian peace sign “how” SP? Oh well 😊 )
 
Lisa
Hi Jim, it doesn’t “upset” me, but its … I don’t know?
Its just me I’m sure. I wouldn’t kiss my husband on the lips in Church and I love him to death.
Well thats your decision. However, being of French descent, kissing on the lips is the norm between husband and wife, and a peck on the cheek could cause one to sleep on the couch that night. 😃
I prefer to be in a setting where it is stripped of human affairs and just me and God.
Mass isn’t just between you and God. Its between God and the community you’re part of.
God is supposed to come before our spouses too.
Kissing on the lips doesn’t place the spouce above God. God joined man and woman to be as one. My affection for my wife is following what God designed.
But nowadays, people do all manner of things in Church and its all normal so its me thats the odd duck.
Yeah, aren’t human beings doing human things just awful? [Edited] :rolleyes:

Jim
 
There’s no selection on the poll that I like…

I exchange a (gentle, non-passionate) kiss of peace with my DH, and it’s a special moment that feels sacred, kind of like a renewal of our vows. Maybe that’s not appropriate… but we kiss like that a lot, and it only feels that way during the sign of Peace.

I know I’ve caught several colds at Mass, though it’s more probably from the back of the pew in front of me, which I use to haul myself up and down. I also have fibromyalgia, and bad arthritis in my thumbs. It is very painful when someone enthusiastically grabs my hand to shake it.

Reading this thread, I was just inspired… I think I’ll start folding my hands for prayer, and just give a little nod as I say “Peace be with you.” That makes it more of a prayer for them than a social gesture. What do you all think?

Love,

Ruthie
 
Nobody has ever touched me during the sign of the peace. People nod their heads or bow here in Korea. It works for me.

I suspect I’m in for some major culture shock the first time I attend Mass in North America.
I like this idea of the nod or bow. It is much less intrusive than physical contact.

Consider the following reasons that one may not wish to shake hands:
  1. Hygiene. Some people find handshaking to be unhygienic, as hand contact is a very common form of disease transmission.
  2. Shyness. Some people just don’t want to shake hands with strangers.
  3. OCD. Some people who have Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder may have a very strong dislike for touching the hands of strangers.
 
None of the above.

If it must be done, the proper way to do the sign of peace is in the Roman fashion. You may have seen the Pope doing this when he celebrates Mass.

You embrace the person and exchange a “kiss”.

http://www.cantius.org/uploads/images/Sign_of_Peace.jpg

It’s a solemn and traditional method. It would be a vast improvement from what we see today.
 
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