Top Catholic Schools Voice Support for Same-Sex "Marriage"

[josh987654321]

If they are monogamous and live by the precepts of the church…“who am I to judge?” I think someone famous said that!

That statement is completely contradictory. If they are living monogamously in a so called ‘same sex marriage’ then they are not living by the precepts of the Church which says that marriage is only between a man and a woman until death do they part.

(I know it’s Pope Francis your referring to, no different to when he received the mock crucifix with Christ on the hammer and sickle, it was unfortunately very scandalous and thus we need to pray for Our Holy Father Pope Francis especially and the Church but in no way does it mean the Church advocates/supports Communism).

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[J_Peterson]

‘Do not be conformed to this world’ Rom 12:2, ESV footnote says the Greek term is ‘age’. I know it’s not a translation favoured by Catholics but the footnote does provide some extra context.

Anti-gay attitudes have been prevalent for much of human history. If anything I’d say that being homophobic is being conformed to this world.

Seeing every person as fully human and deserving of love is kind of new unfortunately, you might say it’s otherworldly.

 

[J_Peterson]

OR…there is another simple reason. They are religious, they have been well catechized, they do understand the pillars…but they do not agree with it.
They think it is wrong. They think the religious leaders have erred.

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Yeah, I agree. It’s nonsense to think that a person can’t be religious and support same sex marriage. I manage it just fine.

 

[josh987654321]

news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/elite-catholic-schools-defend-gay-marriage/news-story/75b0a63387c0f72e4f30f566e9a1dd37?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook

“Whatever of the postal vote, the Church needs to reflect on why there is such strong support for same-sex marriage among the young.

Well that’s obvious, it’s the popular opinion of the day. Go along to get along. If you don’t agree your a hater and a bigot. So those who agree will be vocal as they are showered with superficial praises and those who disagree will mostly keep quiet.

Read this on a page regarding same sex marriage that I thought was really good, I saved it but can’t remember where the original was to link it.

Children’s right to life and to their mother/father is that cause:

"Undergraduates say the darndest things. When discussing the history of racial injustice, I frequently ask them what their position on slavery would have been had they been white and living in the South before abolition. Guess what? They all would have been abolitionists! They all would have bravely spoken out against slavery, and worked tirelessly in the cause of freeing those enslaved. Isn’t that special? Bless their hearts.

Of course, it is complete nonsense. Only the tiniest fraction of them, or of any of us, would have spoken up against slavery or lifted a finger to free the slaves. Most of them—and us—would simply have gone along. Many would have supported the slave system and, if it was in their interest, participated in it as buyers and owners or sellers of slaves.

So I respond to the students’ assurances that they would have been vocal opponents of slavery by saying that I will credit their claims if they can show me evidence of the following: that in leading their lives today they have embraced causes that are unpopular among their peers and stood up for the rights of victims of injustice whose very humanity is denied, and where they have done so knowing (1) that it would make THEM unpopular with their peers, (2) that they would be loathed and ridiculed by wealthy, powerful, and influential individuals and institutions in our society; (3) that it would cost them friendships and cause them to be abandoned and even denounced by many of their friends, (4) that they would be called nasty names, and (5) that they would possibly even be denied valuable educational and professional opportunities as a result of their moral witness.

In short, my challenge to them is to show me where they have at significant risk to themselves and their futures stood up for a cause that is unpopular in elite sectors of our culture today."

(H/t Professor Robert P. George)

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

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Well said. Although, we will definitely need to pray for such Priests, I’ll still respect them, but not any heretical teachings. The corruption of the best is the worst.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[billy15]

Anti-gay attitudes have been prevalent for much of human history. If anything I’d say that being homophobic is being conformed to this world.

On the contrary. If anything, I’d say that supporting state sanctioned same-sex marriage is being conformed to this world. The world says it’s A-OK! The Church has taught us that the world is wrong, in that regard.

Seeing every person as fully human and deserving of love is kind of new unfortunately, you might say it’s otherworldly.

Actually… it’s kind of old. About 2,000 years old to be precise. Ya know, like that time when Jesus initiated the New Covenant and asked us to spread His Gospel message?

This false dichotomy has to stop. Many of those that support state sanctioned SSM equate one’s opposition to such attempts at marriage to be a denial of love; that the opponent of SSM does not see those people who are attracted to the same sex as fully human or created in the image of God. Rubbish! Of course such people are deserving of love! Of course they are seen as human! To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and unfounded.

I can love someone dearly (like my family members and friends that are attracted to the same sex) but at the same time hold that their actions are not in accord with God’s will, and that those same actions are not in accord with the way the Church has revealed we should live our lives so that we may one day be with our Lord in Paradise. The same holds true for my friends and family that are cohabiting, or that are addicted to illegal drugs as well. I love them all, because that’s what Christ told us to do millennia ago.

It’s not a new or novel idea to see such persons as fully human or deserving of love.

 

[edwest2]

I agree with this. Civil unions are fine but now they’re just calling it something it isn’t. NOTE: I do not believe civil unions are a moral thing but I believe a secular government has no valid reason not to allow them.

Who said the government is secular? Civil unions were rejected because it would reduce gay couples to “second-class citizens.” The goal was a one to one being equal with heterosexual marriage.

Man + Woman

Man + Man

Woman + Woman

These things are not equal by virtue of human biology.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

Here is Church teaching:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Ed

 

[Peter_J]

But why just civil unions if some faiths accept same-gender marriage?

Let me turn that question around: why does the government say that SSM is valid marriage, when Americans are split on whether it is or isn’t?

The government isn’t being any more neutral now than it was when it said that SSM is *not *valid marriage.

 

[Peter_J]

Anti-gay attitudes have been prevalent for much of human history. If anything I’d say that being homophobic is being conformed to this world.

No argument there, but see Being Against Gay Marriage Doesn’t Make You a Homophobe.

 

[EIF5A]

OR…there is another simple reason. They are religious, they have been well catechized, they do understand the pillars…but they do not agree with it.
They think it is wrong. They think the religious leaders have erred.

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Then they have not been well catechized and do not understand the pillars.

 

[JimG]

I am heartily in favor of four-sided triangles. I support the right of protons to have a negative charge, and the right of fire to be extremely cold.

Times have changed, haven’t they? Men and men can now be sexually complementary, as can women and women. A man can impregnate another man by having gay sex, and a woman can similarly impregnate another woman. Men now produce ova and women produce sperm. Everything has changed.

Well, no, it hasn’t. Reality is still reality. Male anatomy and genetics differs from female anatomy and genetics. Only men and women are sexually complementary with each other. Only man-woman sexual relations can be conjugal and procreative. Same sex relationships can never be conjugal, can never be marital, can never be marriage.

Reality remains, but fantasy rules.

 

[EIF5A]

Secular people at least have an excuse of not being taught properly.

What excuse do Catholic schools have?

 

[mikekle]

My parish has is one of the largest in the area and one of the largest catholic schools, I asked my nieces and nephews about this topic awhile back since they all attend school there just to get an idea on what they are being taught.

None of them really had a problem with it, they wondered more why older people seem to dislike the idea so much, I got the impression they all believed it was an outdated belief to be against SSM.

I think they are right, I do not think this will even be a topic of debate within 20-30 yrs, it will just be the way it is and nearly everyone will get in line with it, those that still try to argue about it will be viewed in the same way KKK members are today. (living in the past).

 

[edwest2]

My parish has is one of the largest in the area and one of the largest catholic schools, I asked my nieces and nephews about this topic awhile back since they all attend school there just to get an idea on what they are being taught.

None of them really had a problem with it, they wondered more why older people seem to dislike the idea so much, I got the impression they all believed it was an outdated belief to be against SSM.

I think they are right, I do not think this will even be a topic of debate within 20-30 yrs, it will just be the way it is and nearly everyone will get in line with it, those that still try to argue about it will be viewed in the same way KKK members are today. (living in the past).

ONLY people change things, not the date on the calendar.

So fantasy remains fantasy. Reality remains reality.

Propaganda is being taught in schools now. Poor kids.

Ed

 

[tseleehw]

It is unfortunate to see these priests in Australia following Satan instead of the Church on this issue. They are misleading their flock and will surely lead many souls astray due to their statements. It will not end here - next they will be preaching tolerance for abortion and those who practice it. This is why the Church is in crisis today - a small, but significant and influential portion of its leaders do not truly believe in all of the Church’s teachings. They are allowing themselves to be misled by worldly values instead of the teachings of the Church. The harm that these kinds of statements do is graver than many realize.

 

[billy15]

My parish has is one of the largest in the area and one of the largest catholic schools, I asked my nieces and nephews about this topic awhile back since they all attend school there just to get an idea on what they are being taught.

None of them really had a problem with it, they wondered more why older people seem to dislike the idea so much, I got the impression they all believed it was an outdated belief to be against SSM.

I think they are right, I do not think this will even be a topic of debate within 20-30 yrs, it will just be the way it is and nearly everyone will get in line with it, those that still try to argue about it will be viewed in the same way KKK members are today. (living in the past).

Well then, if I’m a Catholic Christian in my late 20’s, living in the year 2017… then I must really be living in the past. I also believe that sexual relations are to happen only in the context of marriage, and “no one” has really had a problem with sex outside of marriage for at least 50 years. I actually waited to have sex for the first time on my wedding night. Man… I must be a dinosaur, because I’m not living in the present, but in “the past”!

I agree with Ed: propaganda is being pushed in our schools, and in schools where the faith which was handed down by the Apostles is to be proclaimed, it is often silenced for fear of public backlash. Your nieces and nephews asked an honest question- “why are older people ‘dislikng’ the idea of state sanctioned SSM?” First off, I’m not one of those “older people” and I can think of plenty of reasons why one should not support such attempts at marriage. Second, look into what pluralistic ignorance is. Third, the quoted post is basically an “appeal to the calendar” a logical fallacy related to the “appeal to authority” fallacy. So what if it’s the year 2017? So what if a majority of people in our culture think that virtually any sexual activity “between consenting adults” (including those engaging in same sex activity) is morally permissible? If something is wrong… it’s wrong no matter how one tries to rationalize it.

What else do you think your young nieces and nephews are right on? Because many of their generation (that is, Millennials and Gen Z’ers) believe it’s OK to end the life of human beings that reside in the womb, and many believe it is morally permissible (or even obligatory) for a young person with gender dysphoria to take hormones and other drugs to delay puberty, or to even castrate or mutilate their genitalia. Many teenagers also have no qualms about “hooking up” or finding random, one night flings on apps like Tinder. Do we think they’re right here too? Why or why not?

It’s like the old and tired saying, “If everyone jumped off a bridge, are you gonna jump off too?” Yea, no thanks. We shouldn’t be allowing a majority (well, a seemingly wide, majority opinion as portrayed in the media) allow us to cast off immutable and unchangeable standards of the moral law, especially that which has been expressly revealed by the Church founded by Jesus Christ. We shouldn’t cast off our moral standards and “get in line with it”, especially if we know that “it” harms both the body and soul. But if one neglects to form their conscience or is not properly catechized, then it’s easy for the world’s ideas to take root, and again, with the rise of the “nones” it’s no wonder that these worldly ideas take root instead of what the Church has taught, and its reasons behind such teachings.

 

[edwest2]

No, things were never perfect, but we had community values and role models to look up to as I grew into adulthood. Now, who or what do young people look up to? As examples of being an adult?

There are times when following Church teaching and family/social stability made a big difference for everyone. Now, the decades long plan to destroy the family and lure young people away from the Church by the World, including schools, replacing mom, dad and families, telling young people to follow their teaching is the way. Is this better? No. 100% no.

Even if it’s just posting here, I encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ to tell the young: “You are being led down the wrong path and here’s why.” Right is right and wrong is wrong. There is no such thing as Controversy. There is no such thing as two right answers. One side is right and the other side is wrong. Sure, some may reject our message but it needs to be said as often as necessary.

“Old ideas are bad” “It’s the 21st Century” etc., means nothing if the truth is not repeated, daily if need be. The right answer is the right answer regardless of the date on the calendar.

Ed

 

[Sy_Noe]

Christ’s truth. It has not changed.

The first problem is relativism: “Truth may be truth but whose ‘truth’?” You can’t find a more nonsensical statement than that, and it’s something that isn’t echoed only by secular humanists and atheists, but by an increasing amount of people that have been baptized, and still consider themselves, Catholic. “You have your truth, I have my truth, and they have their truth”, we often hear. Except all you have are opinions, not truth. The word “truth”, in the 21st century, has been reduced to that of a personal view or an opinion. How sad…

John 18:38
38 Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”

Christ’s truth may not change but interpretations and understandings among humankind certainly have. I fail to see how “truth may be truth” is relativism or a nonsensical statement. It’s not so much a case of truth being relative when there can only be one truth. But the question again remains whose? And that is something we truly will not know til our life on this earth ends. In the meantime we walk by faith. Catholics have their beliefs and others have theirs. Incidentally the Catholic Church itself considers those baptized or confirmed within the Catholic Church as Catholics too. Peace.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’m a faithful Catholic and it doesn’t make me cringe. It’s ironic that we have an entire thread lamenting about how heterosexual couples don’t want to get married anymore, and what can we do to change this, and in the same breath people think it’s the end of the world as we know it that gay people who love each other want to get married. And they’re not even asking to get married in the Church, they’re asking to get civilly married.

I respect the fact that many others on this forum do think this is a serious problem even if I don’t, but I also respect the opinions of some other Catholics who are less concerned or even supportive of gay marriage. When I roll out of bed in the morning and think about all the horrors facing humanity, including war, violence, poverty, abortion, man’s inhumanity to man in general and our poor stewardship of the planet, gay marriage is not even on the list of anything I’m concerned about.

Now if the Church did an about-face on something like abortion, and stated that it was okay to painfully end a life, THEN I would cringe. Hopefully that will never happen.

Yeah, I agree. It’s nonsense to think that a person can’t be religious and support same sex marriage. I manage it just fine.

Both refreshing posts.