Torn..or am I?

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I have a long and complicated story to tell; thank you in advance for all who read and respond. It is very much appreciated. I post this with the hope that an objective reader will be able to spot something I am missing within my problem. I am very desperate for advice, support and any direction. :bighanky:

I have recently “put on pause” my relationship with my boyfriend of 1 year. (“Taking a break” is the more common term, though we still consider ourselves together.) We did this because of several reasons: we both had a “feeling” that something was “off” or not right, we are both very busy and our relationship is long distance–we both need to focus on school and work–it’s his first year of college, and my senior year; and…I have had thoughts for 2 years now about becoming a nun. Not always a nun, specifically, perhaps “the single life”. It put him in much emotional pain to have to deal with my uncertainty in the past several months after I informed him of my own uncertainty about what I wanted for the future, and after an incident two weeks ago we talked and decided to “take a break.” I partly did this out of love for him because it seems so unfair for me to put him in this position.

Okay. Here are the complications. I am absolutely in love with him. As in, he is my first love. (I’m 21, he’s 18.) Our relationship was intense, beautiful, all-consuming. Every tiny thing, from holding hands to words of love, felt completely new. We swore we were the same person, spent all our time together when we could, preferring each other’s company over others’, when I was home for college breaks. We often disagreed but never argued. I felt and still feel such love for him. He is the only person about whom I have ever felt this way. It was love at first sight and at first meeting. I still feel in my heart a love for him that I am convinced is irrevocable. It’s rock-solid. He is the only person I have ever known whom I truly feel the capacity to love. I have problems with empathy/relating to people and problems with caring for others, even my own family. He sends these problems out the window. He tears down my reason and my pride. He got sick this summer and was in the hospital for one night because he had surgery. I stayed with him and cared for him that night, and it was one of the most wonderful nights we ever spent together (not so much physically for him of course)…it was a shocking and pure joy to care for him. We slept a little but then talked until the sun came up about our love and how we felt. I derive little to no joy from helping others, except him. I could spend my whole life, far into old age, experiencing the pure joy that is caring for him in any way he needs or wants.

But I still feel something is missing.

He treated me like every woman deserves,. He never criticized me, never put me down in any way, always respected me, was unfailingly loving and kind. He is intensely creative, a talented artist and true noncomformist, a lover of art and music with his own brain and opinions. He reads books. He has character–he does what he says he will do. He keeps his promises. He knows how to work hard. He respects women. We had a beautiful summer full of music and dancing and traveling together. He isn’t perfect and has a lot of maturing left to do, but this makes him charming and he is still an extraordinary person.

He isn’t Catholic. He has no interest in becoming a Catholic and no desire to follow God with me. He was brought up by fundamentalist Protestant parents who essentially ruined Christianity for him. He told me how he tried for years to follow God but gave up. He says he wants to be his own god or for me to be his god. Sometimes he would scare me with his words of “I am not from here” or claiming to know things about the afterlife and that our relationship would be eternal and that he could astral project and see auras. I worried that he was some sort of evil spirit in disguise sent to lead me away from God.

He has far better morals than the average non-Christian young man, but…still. He has also had gender identity issues which I think stemmed from trying to deal with his not fitting in remotely to what our society considers masculine and acceptable. He likes to cross dress, loves feminine everything, elevates women to a higher degree than men, and is what you would call a “goth.” But is %100 percent heterosexual and attracted to women. There are other things which for reasons of privacy I would prefer not to go into but they are of a sexual nature. After meeting him I discovered that this was a huge part of my sexuality I hadn’t understood before. We fit so well in that area. Unfortunately, we have been inappropriately sexual (we try not to be), but have not slept together and have no plans to until marriage (both of us). I think that these habits of cross-dressing and such for sexual purposes are fine within marriage. But I still worry.

Anyways, he has had many issues with God and faith and Christanity. He rejects it though I know deep down he wants it, he hungers for God like we all do though he has admitted maybe only once. He admires me for my faith in Catholicism because he feels he can never get there, and that he is not meant for it, is doomed, etc. (I have experienced this feeling as well.) He has attractions to things like crimes and gangs and has stolen in the past; he’s young enough to be still going through these sorts of identity phases and some of it is scary and stressful for me. For him, my faith does not come between us. For me, his lack of faith and a strong spirituality does. I feel like he can never completely understand me if he does not share my faith. I feel as if there is a part of me locked away from him and that this is not right for two potential marriage partners to have. I feel as if “our big difference” will cause too much conflict and destroy our happiness, and that there is a spiritual plane we would never be able to reach together. I feel as if I can’t handle the stress of sharing a life with someone who does not have the same beliefs as me. We share a lot of values, good and not so good, but not the same religious beliefs. We have never argued but we have had unpleasant talks about the subject. I tend to get defensive. But in general I just deal with the discomfort and move on. I am trying to attain the goal of example instead of words.

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On our first anniversary, he got on his knees and gave me a beautiful speech which included a big surprise. He said that he would do anything to be with me always and that he knew I would go to heaven and that he wanted to be with me, and if that meant pursuing God then he wanted to “try again.” I immediately said no. Why? Because we have this issue where he thinks it is okay and possible to change for another person whereas I do not believe change can happen unless the person wants it. It was such a beautiful thing for him to tell me that but I stressed that it would have to be from himself in order for it to work. And…it didn’t work.

My faith is mostly, but not entirely, fear-based. I went through Catholic school and am confirmed and such. I have really struggled, constantly, with my faith. Only in the last two years have I been truly exploring it; previously, it was just how I was raised, with no real thought to it. My parents are Catholic but not practicing. I have managed to maintain my faith to some degree, even when I was doing many things I shouldn’t have been doing prior to my nervous breakdown two years ago when I started seeking God more within the Catholic Church in which I had been raised. My whole life I have had this voice/image of God or conscience which is extremely harsh and cruel. Every time I try to do something I accuse myself of false, evil motives. I always question myself and this inner critic or “holy” voice tells me all my motives are based from evil, especially with this problem. If I was more devout I would probably be very scrupulous and I have a tendency anyway. During our relationship I did not attend church and committed certain sins and led him to commit them, though I tried to educate him and subtly “lure” him to Catholicism and discussed the faith with him, I felt I was “growing away” from God.

I have been given many gifts in life: a loving, if dysfunctional, family; college education, physical beauty, intelligence, talents with words and creativity, etc. I have issues with pride, anger, lust. I have a history of anxiety, depression, OCD and have wondered if I have a borderline personality + separation anxiety from my boyfriend. I also suffer from very severe PMS and cycles. I am thinking of going on birth control pills to try and control this, but am afraid that if I marry I will be secretly happy that I am taking the meds because I don’t want children, or should I say, I want to plan when I have one, and that this will be a sin. I worry about navigating a marriage with someone who feels differently about these issues than I do. I am prone to high/low moods. I have long felt “different” or “special” and I feel as if I fit in nowhere, even with the things that I love so very much–reading, writing, creative pursuits, my boyfriend. Nothing I ever do seems to fit me perfectly. I feel as if I was made for something more–not just the God-shaped hole, but something I must do in this life, to search and find this “more”. Something that would involve shedding much of my present life, including human love relationships. I feel like the earthly things I enjoy are trappings and that they keep me down from a higher calling. I am not that “wordly” of a person, I think a lot on these matters and see God in everything (except people).

So, I have come back to school. We have barely had time to communicate with each other, I am very busy and stressed and he claimed to be busy as well. I felt that perhaps he could have been making more of an effort to communicate with me, and we had some problems. Last week, everything fell through. I got extremely upset with him when he told me about his temptation to commit a crime (which he did not). I overreacted, as he was just trying to explain his feelings about it. For the first time, he challenged me. All of these things began pouring out: he had had doubts about us but had pushed them away; he wants me to know what I want in life, to figure things out, and to focus on school; he has “questions” about me; he is not so willing to take extra means to communicate with me anymore, etc. I was shocked, ego-blown, but amazed that he too felt like something was “off” despite the incredible love we had shared, which was not lust-based or shallow.

The following night we talked and made the decision. We agreed, though life is not always so clear-cut, to meet again when I come home in December and see where we are…I have been miserable ever since. But at the same time I feel…slightly free. Our closeness, amazing as it was, constricted me in some way that is hard to articulate. He was making specific hints for the future which I daydreamed of daily, would tear up with happiness just thinking about, but also felt not so ready for. Our time “apart” was something I was slightly looking forward to as it would give me more time to discern and be away. Since we have “taken a break” I have felt more free to explore my self as a self, not as part of another, as wonderful and beautiful as that was/is. I feel more open to pursuing my creative and spiritual interests. But…I am miserable. (Note: I’ve never reacted to a breakup or anything like this before.) I sway back and forth constantly, and I mean constantly, over what to do. I have been researching religious orders, a couple of which I am interested in. But I am going to graduate school in May with over $90,000 in debt. (But my conscience says that I happily would use that as an excuse.) I have no savings. I have spent every day crying and depressed. I feel like a hole has ripped open inside me and that I have nothing to look forward to. My friends are getting angry with my behavior and I hate to leave my room. I feel lost, dead behind my eyes, medicated, without my “other half”, yet I feel as if staying with him would keep me from pursuing this higher calling I feel. I think we made the right decision for right now, because there is so much for me to figure out, but I am having such trouble dealing with this limbo state we are in.
 
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I wonder if my mysterious mission is to convert him through being an example of the unconditional love I feel for him. Or if I should run away to a monastery so that I can’t fall under his “wordly influence”, where I won’t have to worry about the affairs of normal life–family, children, responsbilities, where I could just pursue God and live a simpler life. Deep inside me, I feel this higher calling stronger than anything, despite how I feel about my faith, the problems I have with it, my overthinking brain and my occasional wish that I didn’t have to be a Catholic at all and that I don’t want to be. But I also wonder if I seek an escape from life’s responsibilities. It is hard for me to see a difference between being with someone like this and hoping/praying for conversion and the illusion that you can “change” someone.

I wonder if I am prideful in thinking that I have some sort of “special” reason or mission within religious life, and I wonder if I am prideful in thinking that I am “not that kind” who would enter–almost “too good” (this is a ridiculous thought, I feel horrible admitting it). I am so lost and confused and all my thoughts just tell me that any of my desires are just motivated by my evil self. (I have struggled with self-loathing.) I hate people more than anything on earth, I hate dealing with them on a daily basis and have struggled with social anxiety/bad social skills. I do not want to serve them, though I know it would do so much good for my soul, because I am so self-absorbed. The only person I want to serve, that I run joyfully to to serve, that I humble myself and lower myself below out of seemingly endless love, is my beloved. Through loving him I feel I have discovered a glimpse of what the love of God is truly like.

We have spoken once since the “pause” happened. He is very unsure about his feelings for me now. He does not want me to write because of what it would do to him to see my handwriting. I don’t understand what happened to us…I thought we were so strong, so tight though there were gaps in our closeness where I haven’t always felt truly close.

I feel as if I have lost him and am worried that it is too late if we were to try again. I am worried that if I snub what I believe to be God’s call to stay with a person that I will go to hell. I am worried that staying with him and living a happy, comfortable life will just mean nothing, even if it included the rarity of our kind of love. I want meaning above all. I am worried that God is not the center of our relationship but I can’t conceive of that without feeling hurt (horrible pride). I like to think of it in terms of symbolism–we are emulating divine love; it’s easier to stomach that way. I am worried that no matter what I do, how perfect I try to be, I will end up in hell. Religious life would be an escape from the anxiety of so many choices in life, enclosed away from all of the trappings/temptations of earthly life that currently have me in snare (vanity, sexual desire, pride, etc.) I feel is the only thing that would save me. Since I believe that a relationship with God and solving my problem with religion is the most important thing in life, I am thinking I should choose religious life. But then I leave a hurt and wounded person who is probably going to hate God even more for “stealing me away” from him. When I could have stayed with him and perhaps led him to God. The call is so quiet and so strong and the other choice feels more like I have to justify it to myself, but…I want to be with him. Even though it would make my life harder, with worries about family children, money, career, etc. I want to give up my higher calling for him, to love and be with him. Either my love is that strong, or I am that much of a coward.

I am so miserable and am extremely lonely. I plan on going back to church (haven’t been in over a year-stopped going before I met him) and getting a spiritual director- I sorely need one. I just wish I would have some sort of revelation that would let me know what to do. I cannot live in this limbo for long. I miss my other half so very much.

I have been praying every day even though I don’t want the answer because I am afraid of what it may be–the loss of my first and last love, forcing to give it up. I am so torn between these two desires, one of which is so peaceful and comforting (monastic life), the other which I want so very much but am worried that I would be apart from God forever for following. Ultimately I fear hell and death.

I am praying for acceptance and that this will all turn out for good, even though I ultimately want him, whether it would turn out good or bad. I never want him to be a memory. :imsorry:

Thank you for reading!
 
I will need to process the rest of your post, but I felt the need to tell you this :
Religious life would be an escape from the anxiety of so many choices in life, enclosed away from all of the trappings/temptations of earthly life that currently have me in snare (vanity, sexual desire, pride, etc.) I feel is the only thing that would save me.
Don’t despair. God is always merciful and ready to forgive. I have OCD too and share your fear of hell on occasion, but as long as you love Him, repent of your sins, seek his mercy, and receive the sacraments, hell has no power over you. Remember that Saint Matthew was a tax collector and Jesus forgave him. Saint Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and Jesus forgave her. Saint Paul killed Christians and God forgave him. The important thing that cleansed them from sin was that they turned to God and not to their former way of life. Just keep turning to Him.
 
Lovemybatman, even in print the intensity of your struggle comes through. It must be a thousand times harder to deal with it in your own life.

When I was reading your post, this quote jumped out:
I hate people more than anything on earth, I hate dealing with them on a daily basis and have struggled with social anxiety/bad social skills. I do not want to serve them, though I know it would do so much good for my soul, because I am so self-absorbed. The only person I want to serve, that I run joyfully to to serve, that I humble myself and lower myself below out of seemingly endless love, is my beloved. Through loving him I feel I have discovered a glimpse of what the love of God is truly like.
To me, this suggests that it would be unwise to make a decision in your current state of mind - entering the religious life with an attitude of fear and hatred for people doesn’t sound healthy, and neither does investing yourself in such an intense relationship. I want to recommend that you find a priest with lots of pastoral experience (to guide you in the spiritual aspect of your life) and a secular mental health professional who can help you get your emotions in order, so that you can eventually make a happy and self-confident choice. There are telephone helplines as well: don’t try to work this through by yourself. What about your parents - would you ask them for support?
Remember, too, that as a 21-year-old you have plenty of time to think everything through.

I’m not a spiritual director, so I can’t give you any more suggestions; but I will pray for you. I hope that you find someone who can help you make a good choice.
 
I don’t mean to be blunt, but you have to get your head out of the clouds. This guy’s obviously got some problems. Getting a spiritual director right away and telling them everything is a great idea – that should be your first priority after confession. I’ll pray for you.
 
Hi, Thank you all for your replies. I really, really appreciate them. They have given me some things to think about.
As time has gone on I am realizing that I think God wants me to be alone right now, and not pursue anything definite at this time in my life except things to develop my own self. It’s very hard to be patient, but I’ll manage.
Keep them coming! Thank you!
 
Though this is easier said than done, I sincerely recommend that you end your relationship with your boyfriend and seek treatment and counselling for some of your emotional issues. Having worked with mentally ill male prostitutes for the past two years, I can tell you that cross-dressing and other forms of sexual deviance are neither normal nor healthy behaviors.

Please understand: I mean neither to scare nor to judge you or your boyfriend, but, based on your post, I think you would both benefit from comprehensive mental health treatment. Combined with confession and spiritual direction, you can begin to work through some of your issues.

You both have my prayers.

God bless,

Chris (a sinner, and man with his own issues)
 
Hi,
I definitely understand where you are coming from though I do not agree with some of it.

I am beginning to wonder if I should receive some counseling along with spiritual direction, and have a feeling it will be recommended to me once I do visit a spiritual director. I don’t find the mental health services at my school very helpful, though (I’ve been before), and I don’t really have the time in my schedule to go outside of my school–I go to college in a big city which is not very safe, and then I will just be going home in 2 months anyway. It’s hard to get comprehensize care when you’re moving back and forth during the year. However…perhaps I will return. It is hard to cope right now 😦

I think, and he agreed, that my boyfriend’s gender identity issues came from being so “different” from other males growing up and now. You know, thinking to oneself, “I don’t fit in with this group, I must be part of the other group,” even though it was just the first group’s restrictive definition of what it meant to be one of them that was the problem. He no longer struggles with gender identity per se, he believes he is a male and does not want to change his body, but still is very traditionally feminine. I honestly have no problem with this for a variety of reasons, one being that he respects and identifies with me in a way that makes me feel very valued. We truly connect over it.

Thank you for responding!
 
First up, I understand how you feel. It’s so amazing when you have gone through life feeling like nobody understands you, and suddenly you find the one person who does. That’s truly a gift, cherish it. My spiritual director told me that there is a fine line between your spouse being an idol to whom you give a devotion only due to God, and your spouse being a sacrament whose devotion is the means of your devotion to God. In your case, as someone who admits to always second-guessing your motives, it’s probably not too wise to spend too long dwelling on this.

Having said this, I think a few things need to be cleared up.

First of all - Religious Life is not about giving up human relationships. I am currently living with the Salesian fathers, and they live in community, this means they have a relationship of love and respect for eachother. It’s an environment that welcomes, comforts, supports, and everyone, myself included, even though I’m only a guest at this stage, plays a part in supporting and encouraging everyone else. It’s not a place to run away from eachother. From what I understand, enclosed contemplative orders have an even more intense relationship with one another. You enter the convent because you want to embrace the whole world in love, not run away from it!

Second, and I’ll be blunt here, with your mental health issues, a religious order probably won’t take you. It’s an intense life, and especially in the modern world where there are fewer and fewer young religious to support you, a convent can’t afford to have any passengers. They also don’t want to be responsible for helping you destroy your life. That sounds, to me, like what you’re trying to do. See a counsellor, take any meds you need, including the pill (you’re not having sex right now, so you don’t need to worry) to get your head straight.

Most importantly, you say you don’t love yourself, you accuse yourself of all kinds of sins, saying you second-guess your motives. It’s no wonder you don’t want to be Catholic. THIS IS NOT OUR FAITH - to sin, at least to commit a mortal sin, 3 conditions are necessary:
  1. Grave matter - you have to actually commit the sin, not think about it, not weigh up your options, but actually do it or resolve to do it.
  2. Awareness - you have to know that what you’re doing is a sin.
  3. [and this is the biggie] Consent of the Will - this means you have to consciously choose to do commit a sin. If you thought you were doing something good, but later think it might have proceeded from bad subconscious motives, ignore it. If you try to do good, and are open to doing God’s will, you are doing God’s will.
Let me put it another way - Jesus Christ, who sat enthroned above the cherubim and seraphim in all the glory of heaven in perfect bliss and union with the Father, chose to come into the world, to be balled up tight inside the tender womb of His Mother Mary, to be born, to lie on a bed of straw, smiling up at the stars He made, to throw all He had at the world around Him in wild generous abandon, starting with more of the finest wine than anyone could drink, moving on to healings, to become so close to His friends that He would weep at their deaths, and crying out to the Father to raise them from death. He stretched out His arms on the cross, not for your sins, but for YOU - because He loves YOU, across all the ages, across all time and all your choices, to love YOU! He has given you a gift, the gift of His Holy Spirit in baptism and confirmation, to make you able to do good. He gave you that gift not so you could feel guilty, but so you could use it in loving service of Him. How do you serve Him, when He sits above the heavens, and needs nothing from us? You serve Him by serving your neighbour, by loving them with all the love He has shown you.

You want to throw this relationship away because it makes you happy, and you want to cling to your faith because it makes you miserable. That’s messed up, frankly. You need a complete change of heart. See yourself as Jesus sees you, then you’ll see what you need to do.

However, your boyfriend said that sometimes he thinks you are his god. You can’t be his god. He has to take responsibility for his own actions. Unless you make sure that happens, you are enabling him to become codependent. He needs to see a counsellor too, and you can’t be his counsellor either. That doesn’t mean you can’t encourage him and love him unconditionally.

A word of hope, I was where you are now, in a relationship with a pagan with self-esteem problems, she was the first person who ever really understood me and accepted me, but we both had a lot of problems to work through. She became a Catholic, not because of me, but because of Him. She also showed me how the Church ought to be about love. And a word of caution, I couldn’t see that God was a loving God - like you I thought devotion to Him meant giving up on earthly love - I drove her away, and it’s something I regret more than anything. Looking back, I can see that I started thinking about monastic life because my mind was trying to blame God for things I knew were wrong in my life, my judgmentalism, sexual sins, misgivings about whether my fiancee and I were suited, things I wasn’t allowing myself to acknowledge. I worry you might be doing the same, be honest with yourself, and that doesn’t mean brooding or second-guessing every detail of your sub-conscious mind. Nonetheless, God has taught me great things through my experience. Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good, His steadfast love endures for ever.

Maybe you and your boyfriend could spend some time doing something together to help others - you say he’s very creative, maybe you could offer to paint a mural together for a local youth group, or volunteer together at a soup kitchen - or maybe you could read a book together, something that presents the Catholic position on the good thing that marriage is supposed to be, like John Paul II’s Love and Responsibility, or even just light a candle together, you can each read something that means something to you, yours might be from the Bible or the Church’s liturgy, his from some book or poem that means something to him, and you can spend some time in quiet contemplation with the candle. Just some ideas.

There isn’t a smiley for bursting with longing for you to see God’s love until I’m almost in tears, so I’ll just sign off with a :hug3:

PS, reading this back, it makes me sound like a raging liberal - rest assured I’m nothing of the sort! I’ve surprised myself.
 
Hi,
Thank you so very very much for your response. You didn’t sound like a “raging liberal”, ha, you sound compassionate and reasonable. :o

I have wondered if perhaps our relationship has been mutually idolatrous in a sense. Idolatry seems like such an archaic concept, but it’s really so far from it. The difference between the two of us is that he sees no problem with it, but I do. He thinks that a god can be whatever you want it to be, including a person, that it’s your choice. I obviously don’t believe that, and that was one of our many differences that is part of the big religious difference we have.

You absolutely hit it on the head when you said that I feel like I want to go to something that would make me miserable and throw away what makes me happy. I started crying when I read that–those were my exact words that I explained to someone earlier this year about my religious problems. I do have this sense that if we’re happy in this life then we aren’t following God. Religion offers peace but at the same time it offers a lot of suffering, which actually makes sense to me. And then there’s the verse “whoever loves his life will lose it” and who hates it will be saved. I am not someone who believe that the point in life is to be happy–that does not mean I do not pursue happiness, I just try and watch myself. I feel like the relationship was/is too much of a focus on “this life” and its earthly happiness and pleasure and it depresses me and panics me to think that it will end one day. (I have a very big fear of death and also of losing people I love.) Compounded with that is the feeling that I don’t deserve it anyway 😦 that I could never “have it all” (happiness in this life on earth + being in God’s grace). Deep down, I don’t feel deserving of him. Plus, I feel like my desires are too contrary to God, especially if I chose to pursue a relationship with a non-Catholic which would make my life harder anyways when I could have spent my life doing more of God’s work and devote more time to things that matter. I want meaning, not pleasure, out of life. But my whole lifestyle, flaws and my desire to be with him kind of negate that.

I don’t feel like I want to blame God for my own faults. It’s just that when I get in these funks and especially right now, when I feel like my life and what I thought was going to happen is just crumbling, I don’t want to get out of bed in the morning because I know that no matter how hard I try I’ll just end up offending God in some way. I know that’s really stupid, but… I can’t say that I want to blame God for my faults, I just feel like if I could “escape” to religious life then I would be sheltered from a lot of things which would have tempted me to be faulty. For example, I have a long head of thick hair which is a source of pride for me. If I entered a convent I would probably have to cut it off or at least hide it constantly. I think that this would be good for me because then all temptation to be prideful and all about it would literally be gone. Of course, I could just go and cut my hair off right now…ha. I don’t need to be anywhere but here to do that. I just feel like I need a “push.”
But could you explain a little more about what you mean exactly about thinking about monastic life for this reason of blaming God?

Your ideas are wonderful, we’ve done a couple of them. Unfortunately when I leave for college it means I go to another state, and we cannot see each other. Right now we are not communicating, and we won’t see each other again until December.

Thank you!!
 
PS To the others who have replied, I will respond when I have time. Thanks!
 
But could you explain a little more about what you mean exactly about thinking about monastic life for this reason of blaming God?

Right now we are not communicating, and we won’t see each other again until December.
OK, I want to make it clear that I’m talking about my experience here, not yours, but I have a sneaking suspicion the same thing might be happening in both cases.

For me, the thought of monastic life started to be a pull for me when my relationship was already falling apart. Religious differences, problems of different life goals, my own unfaithfulness and guilt about sexual sins in my past, emotional and mental health issues on both sides, stress, distance and circumstances, all combined to start to pull us apart. I was unwilling to consciously acknowledge these pressures, or to change to accommodate my fiancee. Monasticism was a lie, an ability to pretend that I was sacrificing a great love for a greater love, when in fact it was an escape from acknowledging the fact that the relationship I had was falling apart due to the little love I had been willing to give it. You haven’t seen your boyfriend in a long while, you don’t even write, you say you are on a ‘break’ or whatever other word you choose to use. Maybe you are thinking in a similar way. That may sound harsh, but it’s meant in love. I figured it out too late, but maybe it’s not too late for you.

Again, talking from my own experience, I spent most of my life on the ‘outside’, so did my fiancee. When you’re in school, when you lose all your friends and you feel like something inside you has died, a lot of teachers and counsellors will convince you to just keep on keeping on. Our society tells us that it’s OK to let that thing inside us die, as long as we keep on being efficient contributors. That’s a lie. The thing that died is your ability to love. When you meet someone who opens up that flood-gate and lets that love come out again, it can overwhelm us. You say you spend less time with other friends, you want to give all your love to this man. That’s understandable in your circumstances, but it can’t go on like that forever. A lasting, Christian love, a love that grows instead of diminishing, is a love by which, through loving eachother, you both make the world a better place, you both have more love to give to the world. That’s why Christian marriage must be fruitful. Even if you don’t or can’t have children, a Christian married love bears fruit in service to the world. The same is true of Religious life. The key is not to consume eachother, but to be consumed together by Love itself.

Finally, I don’t think you’ve grasped the notion of what Christian sacrifice means. You’re not alone there, it took me a long time to get it, and I’m still not there 100%. I think it’s difficult for people like us who have been beaten down by circumstances around us for so long. It sounds like you are trying to earn God’s love. You think maybe if you make yourself miserable in this life, God will reward you with happiness in the next. That’s not how it works. Jesus’ teaching makes no distinction between life in heaven and life on earth “he who lives and believes in me will never die”, we are called to live the life of heaven now. That means loving, loving even though it hurts. You are starting to get to grips with that when you say that you know your relationship with your boyfriend would bring problems, would be difficult at times. That’s the sacrifice we’re called to make, to bear with others in their weakness, not to throw away our love for others in order to sit alone and be miserable. What use is that to God? To take the best example I know of, one of the older Salesian priests I am living with spent years in mission work in Liberia in a school and home for former child soldiers. He risked his life, was beaten up 4 times by rebel soldiers, was hated by some, but he carried on, because of love. He didn’t go to Liberia to be beaten up, he went there because he loved those people, he cared about those kids and their future. He did it because he knew God loved him, had given him so many gifts, and he had to show those children that God loved them too. Love kept him defending them, even at the risk of his own life. He didn’t love them in order to suffer, he suffered because he loved them. You see the difference?

Stop trying to make your life harder than it has to be. The last words of Matthew 6: do not worry about tomorrow, tomorrow will worry about itself. Today’s trouble is enough for today. God wants you to love. When you love, you’ll suffer, but when you suffer for love, God will give you the strength to bear it. God says to Joshua, and John Paul II never ceased to remind us: “Do not be afraid”
 
Hi, I can see that this must be a very difficult time for you. I wanted to share some of my thoughts with you, just some things to think about… 🙂

I truly believe that the purpose of marriage is to help each other grow in holiness. It is about being happy together and helping each other in growing spiritually and in other ways. Being with a non Christian, and a non Catholic specifically, can be very hard… I know people who have married non Catholics though and it has worked out, and in some cases their spouse converted later on. But there is also a lot of pain in that as well. Think about this carefully… I know you really love your boyfriend and I’m not saying you’re NOT meant to be together. But there are certain things that need to be worked out, it seems… I was worried when I read about his views on spirituality… and the sexual issues. This is important. To be fair though, there is always some sort of problem in a relationship…people are not perfect. So just something to think about. Would he have a good influence on your relationship with God, or a bad one?

Also, I wanted to say that a religious vocation is not about escaping from the world. It’s a special calling… it’s not about running away from something… it’s about wanting to be the Spouse of Christ and wanting to just be with Him, to serve Him in a particular way… it also involves loving other people and living in community. Perhaps God is calling you to a closer relationship with Himself. Not necessarily religious life. But I don’t know. Try to seek God more… try to spend time with Him. Get to know Him. I think we all long for God in our souls. Try to make Him the center of your life…this is important whether you’ll get married or stay single.

I wanted to also reply to another thing you said… and that is that your faith is mostly fear based. I think it’s so important to understand how God sees us… to shape our life based on His view of us. Try to understand His love for you… that there is truly nothing to fear. He isn’t looking down on you counting your sins… yes sin IS important, because it separates us from Him… but look how easily He accepts us back 🙂 our relationship with God is about love, it’s about mercy. We need to fear hurting God with our sins… but not because we fear punishment, rather because we love Him and want to please Him. In a way a soul’s relationship with Christ is much like a relationship between a husband and wife. It’s based on love. Try to think of the Cross and how much Jesus loves you… that even if you were the only person in the world, He still would have died for love of you. In the Eucharist, He gives Himself entirely to you. Our relationship with God is never perfect here in this life… but it’s something that’s meant to give us joy… yes there is suffering in this world and God makes use of it… but despite that suffering, He wants us to know the JOY of knowing Him also. He doesn’t want us to despair.

Take a look at this…
mcpriests.com/03_I_thirst_PrayerEN.htm

God bless you
 
DL82, I read your recent thread and it really resonated with me, even though our issues aren’t exactly the same. I actually feel more drawn to religious life and feel as if it would give me more peace, but worry that I just want to escape. And as you may remember I also have anxiety, so I can understand there. I will probably make a reply on your thread. If I were to directly take St. John of the Cross’ advice to “choose what is least appealing,” I would choose my now ex-boyfriend and all of the challenges and sacrifices he represents to me.
In recent news, my boyfriend chose to end our relationship a week ago. I was a bit shocked. He doesn’t seem to wish to speak to me. I have been going through a lot, it would take War and Peace to explain it all :o. Suffice it to say that I have a broken heart for the first time in my life and it has been completely and utterly devastating to me. My life has stopped and I am constantly focused on the internal once more, the mental chaos I had before he came into my life.
He told me that he thinks we are too different, that someone else is meant for me, that he can’t bend his will enough…and other things that really didn’t make much sense to me.
I don’t really know what’s going on with him internally, since he will not speak to me, but from his internet posts and such it seems like he is turning to some macho masculine way of dealing with it, which is exactly what I did not expect. He is acting so unlike him and like this “self” he said I never saw, but it shows me that he must still feel for me, because he can’t seem to be able to contact me in any remotely personal way. And since we had planned to meet when I came home and see what happened, by taking away this chance to see me again, it’s obvious he doesn’t want to feel. I have caused him so much pain without realizing it, that I almost understand why he has treated me this way, it’s easier to accept.
I feel I am gaining some insight and some understanding as to why this happened. I have realized how much I need to work on myself and my flaws and how my flaws contributed to what happened. I love him still and I regret more every time I failed to show my love perfectly when we were together even more than losing him.
I think that at this time God is calling me to be alone, period. I am not so sure, after weeks of many wheels turning, that religious life in the technical sense is really what is meant for me. If he showed up on my doorstep and begged me to take him back, I am not sure I would, either, though in my current frame of mind I very much miss him and would love to see him again at least. I think that if I am meant to be with him, it will be in the future, and that I have a neglected relationship with God and with myself that I need to work on at this time.
Of course moving on is not exactly easy when moments of strength are so few and I feel as if I can barely move or get out of bed at times, and can’t handle even being in public, eating and sleeping still remain difficult, etc. and I am very worried about him, very worried. I still haven’t managed to get back to confession or church or getting a spiritual director OR :sigh: seeing a counselor…but I know I need to do all these things…
Separation from him has also freed me up mentally for creative pursuit–writing is coming out of me like nobody’s business. I worry that maybe this is a sign that I should just be single period–it seems that my romantic energy and my creative energy overlap too much (though he did stimulate me creatively very much, I still wasn’t writing (I am a creative writing major graduating this year)). I’ve also been just having a lot of insight on my spiritual journey–I am still “torn” as my thread title suggests, but I feel like clarity is very slowly coming to me. I feel closer to God.
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I have thought about how religious life would keep me from ever having children, and despite my current lack of desire, that really puts it into perspective, almost a biological/survival instinct kicks in, haha–“Hey, wait. Children, never? Okay, have to think about that.” Yet at times I feel a longing to go directly to some monastery and say, “Please let me stay here.” I know it’s silly and doesn’t work like that in the least. And I’m not so sure it’s from God, because I don’t see why God would give me such strong feelings when I have $90,000 in debt to get rid of first, among other things.
4EverHis, Thank you for that Thirst for You page. I really enjoyed it and its language drew me closer. A big problem I have with Catholicism is the language, actually–much of the formal language manages to be both flowery and cold in a way that has never settled well with me. Yet, I can hear something in this language and then hear the EXACT same Catholic concept spoken in other words, and I am so emphatically about it. So it is a gift to find these words.
I feel that if I could meet him again, I could show him my “improved” self. I feel that if we got back together, I could come back with even more love, even more acceptance and more humility–honestly he is the only person who has been able to humble me, the only one I’ve found so far who just makes my pride disappear. I could apply what I’ve learned. It’s amazing–he can truly inspire me in this way. (Of course either way I will be able to do that in my life so it’s win-win.) It’s very hard for me to love others and feel empathy, as I already described. But when I think of having him back I feel anxious and feel like I’ve been stuffed in a suitcase–like my self would shrink in a bad way. I have thought about ways in which our differences could not come between us–I tended to get defensive and cowardly when we discussed religion, when I could have been more loving, especially to someone convinced he is rejected and will never ever be acceptable to God. But I do not want to fall into the trap of “trying to change” a person or waiting around for something that may never happen.
I am planning on possibly asking him if we can still meet when I come home. I feel like I can’t truly know unless I see him. But if he refuses, I will have to settle with that and move on.
I’m honestly very anxious and worried about him but am trying repeatedly to let it go to God. As I said times of strength are few.
Thank you for your prayers and responses, especially the prayers
 
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I have spent the last five or so weeks crying nearly every day, much of the first weeks pleading with God to bring him back to me. But my prayer was not answered, as he decided that we “could not continue” together. I worry that if we were to meet it would produce a more negative effect than anything else, and we would get back together out of attraction that still remains, but it would just cause more heartbreak in the end. Or he would be more attracted to me and want me back, and I would not desire it, causing him more pain. Or the other way around. If he says he won’t meet with me, then I suppose I will have my answer. But I am not sure if I will even ask, I really don’t want to do something that will hinder my process and/or cause him more pain.
:sigh: I pray for God to provide me more clarity in the weeks ahead.
 
I am sorry to read of your misery. I can see you are not happy as you said: “I have spent the last five or so weeks crying nearly every day, much of the first weeks pleading with God to bring him back to me.”

Please do not expect a miracle. I believe God can respond through ideas you get or through the feeling of your heart, but it is possible to imagine some answer where there is only silence. Silence is good however, if you can quiet your mind and emotions, you can be more receptive. You can observe your breathing and repeat a prayer as you do so. One can ask for wisdom, calmness, patience.

One thing about both matrimony and a religious vocation, if you persued either, is that not everybody is suited for those vocations. To be in a healthy marriage requires emotional stabilty, as one is raising children, and must be able to give fully to the spouse. To live as a religious requires living in association with the religious community, following the rules, which is challenging. Imagine the great devotion of Saint Clare of Assisi who said “The Lord is my portion; the Lord is my wealth. I want no other”.

But I suppose these ideas will not help the feeling much. Sorry if I am not much help to you.
 
I am sorry to read of your misery. I can see you are not happy as you said: “I have spent the last five or so weeks crying nearly every day, much of the first weeks pleading with God to bring him back to me.”

Please do not expect a miracle. I believe God can respond through ideas you get or through the feeling of your heart, but it is possible to imagine some answer where there is only silence. Silence is good however, if you can quiet your mind and emotions, you can be more receptive. You can observe your breathing and repeat a prayer as you do so. One can ask for wisdom, calmness, patience.

One thing about both matrimony and a religious vocation, if you persued either, is that not everybody is suited for those vocations. To be in a healthy marriage requires emotional stabilty, as one is raising children, and must be able to give fully to the spouse. To live as a religious requires living in association with the religious community, following the rules, which is challenging. Imagine the great devotion of Saint Clare of Assisi who said “The Lord is my portion; the Lord is my wealth. I want no other”.

But I suppose these ideas will not help the feeling much. Sorry if I am not much help to you.
Thank you for responding.
I only wish that my feelings wouldn’t change so much…they are constantly in flux…
I have been praying more but it’s really difficult as I’m in college and am pretty busy and I need lots of time to pray properly. But I have been making more of an effort.
I have an appointment with a spiritual director the week after next, it will be my first effort, I’m really scared but also have high hopes for it (perhaps too high… :/).
I really wish that some lightbulb would go off, but then again, I’ve been wishing for that for years…I’ve felt directionless for years.
It’s so overwhelming because I’m going to graduate in May with a degree not exactly friendly, especially in the current economy and all that (creative writing), with around $80,000 in debt, will be living at home because of expenses, probably working at a job entirely unrelated to the degree I just spent years and tens of thousands of dollars earning and writing on the side, if I can write…in one of the states in the US that is the worst for unemployment right now…this plus my depression and mental chaos due to my breakup…my relationship gave me so much hope and security even if it took up so much of my identity…I would rather put my energy into truly loving another human being than into my writing…I love him more than my writing…or is he an escape? 😦
Nothing I’ve ever loved has really felt like a perfect fit, whether it be person or a talent of mine, or anything…there’s always something that makes me feel not quite right for it, or in relationships a little nagging voice whenever commitment comes up. I can’t tell if it’s just the inability of “earthly things” to satisfy, or a nudge that this is not what I need. Religious life is the only thing that does not give me that feeling, but I’ve never been anywhere near a convent that I know of and only know about the life through research. I am thinking of going on a monastic retreat when I can…
I just know that nothing in the world will fulfil me. Not even true love with another person can do that, as I have experienced. Is this just a step in my spiritual development, or does it mean that I need to seek something else?
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