TOTAL Blasphemy in the Episcopal Church

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my belief in the real presence is much stronger now than it was when i was an episcopalian. several reasons for this:
  1. genuflecting in front of the host, and when you pass in front of the tabernacle, is more common in catholic churches.
  2. kneeling until all of the precious body and blood have been consumed is more common in the catholic church.
  3. the catholic teaching that you should not receive communion if you are conscious of grave sin.
  4. eucharistic benediction and adoration.
  5. the constant and loud catholic teaching that the eucharist is central to our faith.
 
i’d encourage any anglican considering rome to get to know some catholic people. if i made a list of the 50 most committed christians i know, 45 of them would be catholic (maybe more), and i’ve only been in the church for 2-3 years. i have been extremely impressed with the priests i’ve met. solid, solid men. and the sisters are angelic.
 
captainmike said:
this prayer is from rite I, of course. rite II is more watered down and, again, doesn’t contain much language at all suggesting that a mass is occurring. at best, it is ambiguous on the point. plus, i suspect that in most TEC parishes, if the rector wanted to refer to the service as The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass rather than The Holy Eucharist, lots of people would not like that at all.
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Or, perhaps, from the 1928 Book.

There are indeed a range of Anglicans out there, even before you get into the apostates.

Which was my original point.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Or, perhaps, from the 1928 Book.

There are indeed a range of Anglicans out there, even before you get into the apostates.

Which was my original point.

GKC
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i think it’s from rite i of the 79 bcp as well.
 
captainmike said:
my belief in the real presence is much stronger now than it was when i was an episcopalian. several reasons for this:
  1. genuflecting in front of the host, and when you pass in front of the tabernacle, is more common in catholic churches.
  2. kneeling until all of the precious body and blood have been consumed is more common in the catholic church.
  3. the catholic teaching that you should not receive communion if you are conscious of grave sin.
  4. eucharistic benediction and adoration.
  5. the constant and loud catholic teaching that the eucharist is central to our faith.
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I only speak for my parish.
  1. One genuflects when entering or leaving the pew, bowing (at least) as one approaches or passes the altar, due to the tabernacle and the Reserved sacrament there. No one not in orders (deacon, at least) will handle the Body or Blood (no EMs).
  2. Kneeling to receive, 100%, on the tongue, perhaps 40%, by intinction, 5%. At the altar rail. Paten used, always.
  3. Same.
  4. Eucharistic Benediction and Adoration.
  5. Constant, loud, and repetitive exhortations that the Eucharist is central to our faith, and the central act of worship; that we will receive, really, truly and substantially, the Body and Blood of our Lord, at the rail, this morning, here and now.
  6. Hence the piscina, connected to consecrated ground, and the other implications of the fact that the Body and Blood are the Body and Blood. Which I will receive, at Mass, tomorrow.
All sorts of Anglicans out there.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I only speak for my parish.
  1. One genuflects when entering or leaving the pew, bowing (at least) as one approaches or passes the altar, due to the tabernacle and the Reserved sacrament there. No one not in orders (deacon, at least) will handle the Body or Blood (no EMs).
  2. Kneeling to receive, 100%, on the tongue, perhaps 40%, by intinction, 5%. At the altar rail. Paten used, always.
  3. Same.
  4. Eucharistic Benediction and Adoration.
  5. Constant, loud, and repetitive exhortations that the Eucharist is central to our faith, and the central act of worship; that we will receive, really, truly and substantially, the Body and Blood of our Lord, at the rail, this morning, here and now.
  6. Hence the piscina, connected to consecrated ground, and the other implications of the fact that the Body and Blood are the Body and Blood. Which I will receive, at Mass, tomorrow.
All sorts of Anglicans out there.

GKC
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what city is your parish in?
 
captainmike said:
i also have three young kids. what will the episcopal church be like when they are adults? it’s scary to contemplate.
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that is a scary thought isn’t it? i think eventually in our country there will the churches that are liberal and the churches that are traditional. there probably will be a few in the middle. it seems like something has to give sooner or later - i just don’t know when or how.
 
7_Sorrows said:
that sort of describes my journey also. but i had a big gap in the middle. i did come to the realization that i sadly would not be able to remain in TEC because they were obviously open to almost anything. and Rome did seem right.
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I agree. I think the Gene Robinson “consecration” to the episcopacy was the ultimate cherry on top of a sundae that was already full of pesticides and rat poison. My wife and I had been feeling a draw back to the Catholic Church steadily just thinking of Mary, reading and hearing Catholic media, and when we’d go to the Philippines (where my wife is from) we’d go to Mass, etc. We missed being Catholic but we were so in love with our Anglican (then Episcopal) parish. We loved our priest, the people, the quaint and lovely brick building (looked like it came STRAIGHT from England!) with ivy on it and gorgeous stained glass, the LOVELY LITURGY of the Book of Common Prayer, and the pastoral care was first rate. We missed also the fellowship and kind, enthusiastic, loving people there. And the birth control issue was a sticking point with us, bigtime.

But at a bible study I remember our priest talking about cohabitation and how regularly he counsels people cohabitating. A woman raised her hand and said, “my son is living with a girl. She’s just wonderful. They’re doing a trial marriage and have been together for a couple of years now. They’re very happy and I’m happy for them.” The priest just smiled and said something like, “well that goes on a lot and it’s the norm really now days.” He seemed upbeat and accepting of it? Then they were talking about premarital sex in a positive light? And then divorce at another Bible study came up and they skirted around it like it’s just fine? And then our priest was discussing the Old Testament, Moses in particular and he said that the Ten Commandments and the other commandments of the Law including many sexual laws were really Jewish secular laws, not religious ones and they were mostly given by God to maintain order, reproduction, keep people healthy, etc. etc.??? And as I spoke to people, everyone seemed just fine about the possibility of one day having a woman priest. A whole bunch of them believed women priests was an exciting possibility. I was also disappointed to see how many of them criticized our OUTSTANDING bishop, John David Schofield, who is a hero to me still. They acted like he was a bigot for forbidding “laying hands on hairspray” to coin GKC’s phrase (I just love that! lol)…One woman at our church WHO WAS THE CITY MAYOR (our town is about 120,000 people) said she thought homosexuality was fine, natural, and that our Bishop was gay himself, a closet homosexual who has a hidden self-hatred!?? She bashed our bishop and said he was a fat hate-mongering boob. She just ticked me off to no end!

Depending on who you talked to, they all had different views of the Eucharist and had ZERO knowledge of Church history. I quickly came to the conclusion that most of them could have easily fit into a Baptist or Presbyterian church and wouldn’t know the difference save the vestments and building. They were mostly VERY protestant, not at all cut from the same stuff as GKC’s parish, which sounds LOVELY and highly Catholic in nature.

When Gene Robinson and the took over, especially when Katherine Jefforts Schiori ascended to the throne, my wife and I felt even more clearly that the Holy Spirit was calling us outskee!!

We left and went back to the Catholic Church. I truly miss that liturgy, the BOCP, the coffee hours and the tight-knit pastoral care. I miss that place. And I’ve struggled with some Catholic issues. I have definitely made use of confession! But I love my faith and try my best in this norvus ordo liturgy. It is what it is.

Tonight my wife and I went out to eat for our 10th Wedding Anniversary. We went over to the new adoration chapel, too, and we thanked the Lord for each other and these three munchkins we have. God is so good to us.

I don’t think leaving Anglicanism is ever an easy thing. It is highly charming, beautiful in so many ways, and classy. But the Episcopal Church has made its brand of Anglicanism a no-brainer to leave! Anaheim’s convention is making it no-brainer 2.0 reloaded!!
 
captainmike said:
check out st. louis de montfort’s “true devotion to mary.”
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I’m familiar with it, though I don’t own it (if you knew me better, you’d understand why I say that). Also with Ligouri.

What are you pointing at?

GKC
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I agree. I think the Gene Robinson “consecration” to the episcopacy was the ultimate cherry on top of a sundae that was already full of pesticides and rat poison. My wife and I had been feeling a draw back to the Catholic Church steadily just thinking of Mary, reading and hearing Catholic media, and when we’d go to the Philippines (where my wife is from) we’d go to Mass, etc. We missed being Catholic but we were so in love with our Anglican (then Episcopal) parish. We loved our priest, the people, the quaint and lovely brick building (looked like it came STRAIGHT from England!) with ivy on it and gorgeous stained glass, the LOVELY LITURGY of the Book of Common Prayer, and the pastoral care was first rate. We missed also the fellowship and kind, enthusiastic, loving people there. And the birth control issue was a sticking point with us, bigtime.

But at a bible study I remember our priest talking about cohabitation and how regularly he counsels people cohabitating. A woman raised her hand and said, “my son is living with a girl. She’s just wonderful. They’re doing a trial marriage and have been together for a couple of years now. They’re very happy and I’m happy for them.” The priest just smiled and said something like, “well that goes on a lot and it’s the norm really now days.” He seemed upbeat and accepting of it? Then they were talking about premarital sex in a positive light? And then divorce at another Bible study came up and they skirted around it like it’s just fine? And then our priest was discussing the Old Testament, Moses in particular and he said that the Ten Commandments and the other commandments of the Law including many sexual laws were really Jewish secular laws, not religious ones and they were mostly given by God to maintain order, reproduction, keep people healthy, etc. etc.??? And as I spoke to people, everyone seemed just fine about the possibility of one day having a woman priest. A whole bunch of them believed women priests was an exciting possibility. I was also disappointed to see how many of them criticized our OUTSTANDING bishop, John David Schofield, who is a hero to me still. They acted like he was a bigot for forbidding “laying hands on hairspray” to coin GKC’s phrase (I just love that! lol)…One woman at our church WHO WAS THE CITY MAYOR (our town is about 120,000 people) said she thought homosexuality was fine, natural, and that our Bishop was gay himself, a closet homosexual who has a hidden self-hatred!?? She bashed our bishop and said he was a fat hate-mongering boob. She just ticked me off to no end!

Depending on who you talked to, they all had different views of the Eucharist and had ZERO knowledge of Church history. I quickly came to the conclusion that most of them could have easily fit into a Baptist or Presbyterian church and wouldn’t know the difference save the vestments and building. They were mostly VERY protestant, not at all cut from the same stuff as GKC’s parish, which sounds LOVELY and highly Catholic in nature.

When Gene Robinson and the wackos took over, especially when Katherine Jefforts Dracula Schiori ascended to the throne, my wife and I felt even more clearly that the Holy Spirit was calling us outskee!!

We left and went back to the Catholic Church. I truly miss that liturgy, the BOCP, the coffee hours and the tight-knit pastoral care. I miss that place. And I’ve struggled with some Catholic issues. I have definitely made use of confession! But I love my faith and try my best in this norvus ordo liturgy. It is what it is.

Tonight my wife and I went out to eat for our 10th Wedding Anniversary. We went over to the new adoration chapel, too, and we thanked the Lord for each other and these three munchkins we have. God is so good to us.

I don’t think leaving Anglicanism is ever an easy thing. It is highly charming, beautiful in so many ways, and classy. But the Episcopal Church has made its brand of Anglicanism a no-brainer to leave! Anaheim’s convention is making it no-brainer 2.0 reloaded!!
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great post. good for you.

the exciting thing for us catholics is that our best years are ahead of us. the 1960s and 1970s were a disaster, but our new priests and sisters don’t want anything to do with liberalism. the future is bright!
 
GKC said:
I’m familiar with it, though I don’t own it (if you knew me better, you’d understand why I say that). Also with Ligouri.

What are you pointing at?

GKC
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it might lead you to develop a devotion to mary, which might lead to some other changes.
 
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