Tradition in Action

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Doesn’t their picture just make you want to run to their version of Catholicism?!? That’s before we even get to the trash found on their website.

Looking at this photo, I am reminded of St. Theresa’s invocation: “From silly devotions and sour-faced saints, deliver us, oh Lord!”
 
I am also reminded of the words of religious historian Jarislav Pelican: “Tradition is the living Faith of the dead. Traditionalism is the dead faith of the living.”
 
Mickey_Jackson said:
I am also reminded of the words of religious historian Jarislav Pelican: “Tradition is the living Faith of the dead. Traditionalism is the dead faith of the living.”
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I like this version better…

**Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around."
  • G.K. Chesterton "**
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I_Believe said:
I like this version better…

**Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around."
  • G.K. Chesterton "**
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And then there is this:

**“The true friends of the people are neither innovators, nor revolutionaries, but ****traditionalists”
-Pope St. ****Pius X

😃

**James
 
ethelzguy said:
Maybe tradtionalism is better defined as “Following those who are dead rather than the living” ???:hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:
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I think “Traditionalism,” in the negative sense, is best understood as the belief that all innovation is bad. You could use the St. Pius X quote to justify this viewpoint, except for the fact that several of his actions were extremely innovative. For example, he was greatly criticized by the self-styled “Traditionalists” of his day for introducing to the Latin Rite the practice of giving First Communion to young children, and for radically reforming the Roman Breviary that had been promulgated by St. Pius V.

We’re talking about two extremes here: the Modernists who say that anything old is bad, and the Traditionalists who say that anything new is bad. Both are equally harmful to the Church; neither can be justified by anyone with an understanding of what true Catholic Tradition really is.
 
ethelzguy said:
Maybe tradtionalism is better defined as “Following those who are dead rather than the living” ???:hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:
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Subscribe to that if you like.

I prefer praying for them, and asking their intercession 🙂
 
I was thinking about the quote above from St. Pius X. I realized that many people use it incorrectly. St. Pius X is not talking traditionalism as in continuing that which is old or customary.

He’s talking about Sacred Tradition. That’s a little different.

JR 🙂
 
Mickey_Jackson said:
http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/Images/D_001_Signers.jpg

Doesn’t their picture just make you want to run to their version of Catholicism?!? That’s before we even get to the trash found on their website.

Looking at this photo, I am reminded of St. Theresa’s invocation: “From silly devotions and sour-faced saints, deliver us, oh Lord!”
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This reminds me of old family photos when my parents and grandparents were young and people thought that it was silly to smile for photos. Where did they get that idea?

JR 🙂
 
This reminds me of old family photos when my parents and grandparents were young and people thought that it was silly to smile for photos. Where did they get that idea?

**It was probably a continuation of the convention that one did not smile when he had his portrait painted–probably for practical reason, as it would hurt to hold a smile that long.

Just guessing.**
 
That is because back when the culture was still sane and still Christian, people took life seriously.

Life is serious. It is not a game or joke.

The modern world tries to to turn everything into a joke because
the most important thing in life to today’s man is to have fun and live for pleasure.
 
saint_rafael said:
That is because back when the culture was still sane and still Christian, people took life seriously.

Life is serious. It is not a game or joke.

The modern world tries to to turn everything into a joke because
the most important thing in life to today’s man is to have fun and live for pleasure.
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There was actually a great deal of religious tomfoolery in the Middle Ages. Examples include boy bishops on St. Nicholas’ feast day, the Feast of the *** (in which a donkey was taken into the sanctuary and the congregation would “hee haw” the responses), and the Feast of Fools. These practices, especially the Feast of Fools, got so out of hand that they eventually had to be stamped out by the authorities.

Also, I firmly believe that the culture (whichever one is being discussed) was never sane. Human history is not constant progress or constant regression. It’s more like a line dance in which human culture goes backwards, forwards, and to the side, sometimes all at once. In the late 19th century and early 20th century, it was common to see postcards that contained photos of lynch mobs grinning next to their unfortunate victims, who were in varying degrees of dismemberment. So much for a sane, Christian culture.
 
lucybeebee said:
There was actually a great deal of religious tomfoolery in the Middle Ages. Examples include boy bishops on St. Nicholas’ feast day, the Feast of the *** (in which a donkey was taken into the sanctuary and the congregation would “hee haw” the responses), and the Feast of Fools. These practices, especially the Feast of Fools, got so out of hand that they eventually had to be stamped out by the authorities.

Also, I firmly believe that the culture (whichever one is being discussed) was never sane. Human history is not constant progress or constant regression. It’s more like a line dance in which human culture goes backwards, forwards, and to the side, sometimes all at once. In the late 19th century and early 20th century, it was common to see postcards that contained photos of lynch mobs grinning next to their unfortunate victims, who were in varying degrees of dismemberment. So much for a sane, Christian culture.
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I agree with you. There may have been a time when things were different, but not more serious or less serious than today. We have people today who are just as intense as people in the past, but that doesn’t mean that they were better or holier or that we are better or holier. Intensity is not a sign of holiness. St. Teresa of Avila always said that she had no time for intense Christians. St. Francis always said that he was a fool for Christ. Obviously, intensity is not the trademark of holiness.

We seem to have forgotten not only lynch mobs, but inquisitions, Christians chasing each other in the woods of Germany trying to knock each other over the head because both sides considered the other side to be heretics. Then there was spouse abuse and child abuse, which the world did not even acknowledge. A man was the king of his castle and he could come home and beat his wife and children. Let’s not forget that war and capital punishment were easily justified without much reflection. Or that when soliders returned home mamed or sick or unemployed, they were overlooked by the same society that they protected. Where was the justice here? If seriousness means ignoring injustice and cruelty, no wonder the saints had no time for it.

JR 🙂
 
Sure I get intense at times, but I do laugh and have fun at times. We as human beings created by God, who by the way gave us many emotions. Yes, including :rotfl:

Scripture says:

“Once more will he fill your mouth with laughter, and your lips with rejoicing” Job 8:21

" Our mouths were filled with laughter; our tongues sang for joy." Psalm 126:2

" A time to weep, and a time to laugh…" Ecclesiastes 3:4

:extrahappy: :bounce: :dancing:
 
saint_rafael said:
That is because back when the culture was still sane and still Christian, people took life seriously.

Life is serious. It is not a game or joke.

The modern world tries to to turn everything into a joke because
the most important thing in life to today’s man is to have fun and live for pleasure.
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“O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation…”

But following Christ doesn’t preclude joy and happiness either…:rolleyes:
 
Mickey_Jackson said:
http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/Images/D_001_Signers.jpg

Doesn’t their picture just make you want to run to their version of Catholicism?!? That’s before we even get to the trash found on their website.

Looking at this photo, I am reminded of St. Theresa’s invocation: “From silly devotions and sour-faced saints, deliver us, oh Lord!”
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Well, I don’t know who these people are, but they look like ordinary people to me. I’ve seen far worse pictures with far more sour expressions. These just look kind of neutral, and the guy on the left on the end has a hint of a smile. If you would have asked me, I would have guessed they were schoolteachers from my past (I’m 59)🙂
 
What exactly is Tradition in Action and what is their stance?
 
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