Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) wait for Vatican ruling

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June 6, 2008

AN ANNOUNCEMENT on the Vatican 's relationship with the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) may be made following the July 16-Aug 3 Lambeth Conference, sources in Rome tell The Church of England Newspaper.

Leaders of TAC, home to over 400,000 Anglo-Catholics who have left the Episcopal and Anglican churches over the past thirty years, have been in talks with the Vatican over creating an Anglican-rite enclave under the authority of the Bishop of Rome.

While the curia under Pope John Paul II had opposed attempts to bring Anglicans en masse into the Roman Catholic fold, under Benedict XVI the Vatican appears to have adopted a different line. Anglicans wishing to be received into the Catholic Church are welcome to do so, as individuals, rather than as part of a larger ecclesial body. The talks between TAC and Vatican , however, have focused on allowing whole groups to enter the Catholic Church while maintaining their own orders and liturgy.
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Thanks for posting.

I’ll be eagerly awaiting news from Lambeth.

God grant us Unity.

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I also hope this is approved, God willing. It would be a step toward undoing HenryVIII’s religious abominations.
 
Are they actually considering creating a new English Rite, which would remain distinct from the Latin Rite? That would be fascinating but I would find it difficult to choose between the English Rite and the Latin Rite if I had to choose one. I don’t speak Latin, but my ancestors were Latin Catholics.
 
It would certainly be a step closer to Christ’s desire in the garden “that they may be one”.
Of course, that is also not mentioning the great symbolism of a Reformation church reconciling itself with the Catholic Church.👍
 
God willing, this will be done.

It would be a great first step to reconciling all the Anglicans who still belive in Scripture and tradition, and provide a great vehicle to reconcile the African Anglicans in particular.

God Bless
 
Not holding my breath.

If Rome does not act I expect, and think its more likely, the TAC goes generally Orthodox. I sense there is far less opposition among Orthodox PTB to embracing an unabashedly orthodox group than there is among Catholic PTB. We’ll see. It will be telling if Rome rejects them, cause they seem to be basically coming on bended knee.

Don’t you know the SPPX is looking at this closely? My guess anyway. Does Rome want large groups, realtively anyway, of orthodox incorporated or not? I suspect really not.

We will apparently know fairly soon.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Are they actually considering creating a new English Rite, which would remain distinct from the Latin Rite? That would be fascinating but I would find it difficult to choose between the English Rite and the Latin Rite if I had to choose one. I don’t speak Latin, but my ancestors were Latin Catholics.
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We speak English in the Latin Rite – at least those of us in English-speaking countries.

Even in the Tridentine (Latin) Mass, only prayers are in Latin, not sermons or bible readings – and you have the Latin on one page, and the English on the facing page.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Are they actually considering creating a new English Rite, which would remain distinct from the Latin Rite? That would be fascinating but I would find it difficult to choose between the English Rite and the Latin Rite if I had to choose one. I don’t speak Latin, but my ancestors were Latin Catholics.
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Over the past twenty years or so quite a few Anglican/Episcopal parishes and priests have become Catholic. They do not follow the novus ordo missal, but there own. It is called Anglican Use.
 
This is very interesting to me as I have an Anglican background…when do you think we’ll know?
 
don’t hold your breath. they’ve been talking with the vatican for years. they want to bring their clergy over intact and preserve and perpetuate a married clergy–never will happen.

for one, both the orthodox and catholic churches have a celibate episcopate. the priests are a diffrent story but because they belong technically to the latin rite, they will not be given a exception.

the other issue is that their liturgy was created by protestants. it’s not the sarum liturgy but a protestanized version of it.

i hope they would bring back the sarum rite or use the extraordinary form. either way, there is no future for anglicanism as a distinct church because it is not apostolic in origin. at most, it will be a distinct roman rite liturgy within the latin church.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
don’t hold your breath. they’ve been talking with the vatican for years. they want to bring their clergy over intact and preserve and perpetuate a married clergy–never will happen.

for one, both the orthodox and catholic churches have a celibate episcopate. the priests are a diffrent story but because they belong technically to the latin rite, they will not be given a exception.

the other issue is that their liturgy was created by protestants. it’s not the sarum liturgy but a protestanized version of it.

i hope they would bring back the sarum rite or use the extraordinary form. either way, there is no future for anglicanism as a distinct church because it is not apostolic in origin. at most, it will be a distinct roman rite liturgy within the latin church.
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As far as I understand, the liturgy itself is not so much the sticking point. The liturgy they would adopt would likely be the “Anglican-Use” Mass that other former Anglican parishes already use. It is basically the same service, with minor corrections as needed to make it canonical to the Catholic faith.

Here’s a link to the Order of the Mass for the the Anglican Use of the Catholic Church:

atonementonline.com/orderofmass/Rite1.html
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
don’t hold your breath. they’ve been talking with the vatican for years. they want to bring their clergy over intact and preserve and perpetuate a married clergy–never will happen.

for one, both the orthodox and catholic churches have a celibate episcopate. the priests are a diffrent story but because they belong technically to the latin rite, they will not be given a exception.

the other issue is that their liturgy was created by protestants. it’s not the sarum liturgy but a protestanized version of it.

i hope they would bring back the sarum rite or use the extraordinary form. either way, there is no future for anglicanism as a distinct church because it is not apostolic in origin. at most, it will be a distinct roman rite liturgy within the latin church.
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When Anglicans and Episcopals, bishops and priests, have converted in the past they received the sacrament of Holy Orders as Catholic priests. Does this group expect its bishops to become Catholic bishops? Surely they would not expect this. Why would they not adopt the Anglican Use liturgy already in use in Catholic Churches?

Are they asking that their bishops retain
 
grandfather said:
Does this group expect its bishops to become Catholic bishops?
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I believe that I read that the married bishops of the TAC are willing to step down from their positions, but the exact way that this would be done and what position they would demote to (if any) has yet to be worked out.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
don’t hold your breath. they’ve been talking with the vatican for years. they want to bring their clergy over intact and preserve and perpetuate a married clergy–never will happen.

for one, both the orthodox and catholic churches have a celibate episcopate. the priests are a diffrent story but because they belong technically to the latin rite, they will not be given a exception.

the other issue is that their liturgy was created by protestants. it’s not the sarum liturgy but a protestanized version of it.

i hope they would bring back the sarum rite or use the extraordinary form. either way, there is no future for anglicanism as a distinct church because it is not apostolic in origin. at most, it will be a distinct roman rite liturgy within the latin church.
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There is an Anglican Use of the Latin Rite, established by Pope John Paul II. You can learn more about it from this page from the site linked to above:
atonementonline.com/intro.php

I particularly liked this sentence:

"The ecumenical ramifications of this are important, in that the eternal verities are expressed in ways which are more familiar to those from certain backgrounds, more readily enabling them to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church. "

Ecumenism equaling evangelism. 👍
 
There is an Anglican Use of the Latin Rite, established by Pope John Paul II. You can learn more about it from this page from the site linked to above:
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i’m aware of this. i believe this was to accommodate parishes that convert in whole to the catholic church. i don’t think its intent was to recognize a distinct “anglo-catholic” rite in the church.

the anglican use liturgy is more reverent than your typical novus ordo parish–i believe they celebrate ad orientem. i hope commuion with TAC works out. their liturgy will be a welcome addition to our church.

still, the extraordinary form is the best. the sarum rite would be even better.
 
If the Traditional Anglican Communion really wants to convert en mass to Catholicism then let them do so I say. 🙂
 
Far as I know…
-Last time I read this discussion someone said they couldn’t create an Anglican rite because one already existed. What’s up with that? Why don’t they just use the existing one?
-When the Maronites joined up with the Catholic church, we got to keep our married priests. So what’s the problem there?
 
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