Traditional Anglican Community Wants Unity

[bkovacs]

Read post about Primate
themessenger.com.au/news.htm

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

This is wonderful news. The Traditional Anglicans have been indicating for some time now that they wanted to come back. This is true ecumenism, which will result in true unity.

 

[SemperFidelis]

As Pax said, this is the goal of true ecumenism. Funny how the Church has gotten nowhere by false ecumenism, but yet some still latch on to it. Even though true ecumenism is rarely practiced by the Church today, it still has produced good fruits. Imagine how many would come into the Church if the Church focused solely on this way of ecumenical dialogue. I have much respect for the Traditional Anglicans, and it will be nice to have more Anglican Use parishes, as their Masses are very reverant. Most of the Anglican Use parishes even have several Roman Rite parishioners because they are tired of the NO, and they have no TLM close by.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Last I heard was that TAC was interested in “inter-communion” not a return to the Catholic Faith.

This line from the link makes me wonder.

The Bishops and Vicars-General unanimously agreed to the text of a letter to the See of Rome seeking full, corporate, sacramental union.
Does this mean that they will return to the Catholic Church and confess to all Catholic Teachings?

 

[bilop]

Last I heard was that TAC was interested in “inter-communion” not a return to the Catholic Faith.

This line from the link makes me wonder.

The Bishops and Vicars-General unanimously agreed to the text of a letter to the See of Rome seeking full, corporate, sacramental union.
Does this mean that they will return to the Catholic Church and confess to all Catholic Teachings?

I believe it does. Inter-communion would be sacramental union.

I think “corporate” union implies being integrated into the Church.

Which is great!

God Bless

 

[SemperFidelis]

I think “full” is the keyword here.

 

[Ad_Deum]

For Church rulings:
I think it is a great news, but how will the Holy See accept them if the Anglicans do not treat celibacy as a rule?

For Church liturgy:
I like the Anglican Missal because it is about 85% like the Traditional Latin Mass compare to the NOM.

Let us pray for the Catholic Church (Roman or Anglican).
Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo

 

[SemperFidelis]

For Church rulings:
I think it is a great news, but how will the Holy See accept them if the Anglicans do not treat celibacy as a rule?

They will allow the Priests and Bishops who want to come back a “waiver” so to speak regarding the celibacy rule just like Pope John Paul II did in 1980. This however will not effect any new Priests who want to celebrate the Anglican Use Mass, as they will be required to be celibate.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

They will allow the Priests and Bishops who want to come back a “waiver” so to speak regarding the celibacy rule just like Pope John Paul II did in 1980. This however will not effect any new Priests who want to celebrate the Anglican Use Mass, as they will be required to be celibate.

I do not think any bishops will be granted a wavier to be a married bishop. Most likely they will only be ordained to the priesthood in the Catholic Church.

There is one way around this though, that is the married priest issue. Rome could create an Anglican Rite Church with its own hierarchy and allow it its own rules. The Anglican Use could become a full Rite.

 

[SemperFidelis]

I do not think any bishops will be granted a wavier to be a married bishop. Most likely they will only be ordained to the priesthood in the Catholic Church.

That is what I meant, but I forgot to say so. Thanks for clarifying.

There is one way around this though, that is the married priest issue. Rome could create an Anglican Rite Church with its own hierarchy and allow it its own rules. The Anglican Use could become a full Rite.

Since, it seems according to the article above that the entire TAC is coming into full communion with the Pope, there is a large enough “audience” so to speak that it could become a full Rite. This would be very exciting indeed.

 

[Chatter163]

Since, it seems according to the article above that the entire TAC is coming into full communion with the Pope, there is a large enough “audience” so to speak that it could become a full Rite.

The membership in the Traditional Anglican Communion is extremely small by RC standards, and even when combined with the handful of existing Anglican Use communities in this country, is still too puny to even begin to consider such a scheme.

Additionally, with many Latin Mass Traditionalists long desiring the same framework for themselves, it becomes even more unlikely for a minuscule group of neophytes, many of whom will need to be re-ordained, anyway.

 

[Catholic29]

The membership in the Traditional Anglican Communion is extremely small by RC standards, and even when combined with the handful of existing Anglican Use communities in this country, is still too puny to even begin to consider such a scheme.

Additionally, with many Latin Mass Traditionalists long desiring the same framework for themselves, it becomes even more unlikely for a minuscule group of neophytes, many of whom will need to be re-ordained, anyway.

I agree.

A large application of the Pastoral Provision appears to be the only practical course to full communion these guys can take.

Read about the Pastoral Provision here: pastoralprovision.org/

 

[Caesar]

Will these Anglican clerics admit the invalidity of their orders though? To enter into full communion with Rome they would all have to actually recieve the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

 

[Catholic29]

Will these Anglican clerics admit the invalidity of their orders though? To enter into full communion with Rome they would all have to actually recieve the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

It remains to be seen.

If Rome rules their current orders to be invalid, its quite possible that they (or at least some) would accept re-ordination to gain entry into the Catholic Church.

Although such terms could be too high (or humiliating) for some TAC priests or bishops to accept, and then try to seek an accord with some Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction instead, who could conceivably have their orders recognized. But then they still wouldn’t be Catholic.

 

[rien]

The membership in the Traditional Anglican Communion is extremely small by RC standards, and even when combined with the handful of existing Anglican Use communities in this country, is still too puny to even begin to consider such a scheme.

Additionally, with many Latin Mass Traditionalists long desiring the same framework for themselves, it becomes even more unlikely for a minuscule group of neophytes, many of whom will need to be re-ordained, anyway.

I believe the total membership worldwide is 400,000. I think married bishops make this a non-starter. Many seem to want a Rite. Giving them a Use will probably split the TAC. IMO reunion with the Orthodox is far more likely than with Rome.

 

[Caesar]

It remains to be seen.

If Rome rules their current orders to be invalid, its quite possible that they (or at least some) would accept re-ordination to gain entry into the Catholic Church.

Although such terms could be too high (or humiliating) for some TAC priests or bishops to accept, and then try to seek an accord with some Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction instead, who could conceivably have their orders recognized. But then they still wouldn’t be Catholic.

It might be harder for them to be recognized by the Eastern Orthodox then by the Catholics. The EO often have trouble accepting the validity of Holy Orders in the Latin Church, let alone the Anglicans.

Rome has declared that during the Edwardian Reforms the Church of England corrupted the Rites of Priestly Ordination and Episcopal Consecration to the point of invalidating them. Though the Rites were restored in a manner that would otherwise have made them valid, by that time their Apostolic Succession was lost. However, some of the later priests and bishops of the Church of England were ordained by bishops of the Church of Ireland, which was not affected by the Edwardian Reforms.

If these priests and bishops are able to trace their succession to valid bishops of the Church of Ireland, Rome may consider their orders valid.

Another loophole would be conditionary ordinations of these Anglican priests- a “just in case” safeguard. They would be validly ordained and Rome would not have to officially declare their Anglian Orders to be invalid. Everyone wins.

 

[BobP123]

What’s all the excitement about?

11 th July 2007
Ballarat’s Anglican Church to ordain females for first time
WOMEN will be ordained as Anglican deacons for the first time in Ballarat’s history according to the Ballarat Courier.

And in this story Melbourne leading laywoman Dr. Muriel Porter says : “Once you allow women to be ordained and called ‘reverend’ and having a formal ministry role in the church, in my experience the opposition to women as priests disappears overnight.”

 

[Catholic29]

What’s all the excitement about?

This conservative Anglican group, which is seperate from the mainstream Anglican/Episcopal Church and rejects ordination of women, is seeking reunion with Rome.

 

[otjm]

For Church rulings:
I think it is a great news, but how will the Holy See accept them if the Anglicans do not treat celibacy as a rule?

For Church liturgy:
I like the Anglican Missal because it is about 85% like the Traditional Latin Mass compare to the NOM.

Let us pray for the Catholic Church (Roman or Anglican).
Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo

The Cahtolic Church has ordained a number of pastors who have come from the Anglican/Episcopal church, some for the Methodist, and one form the Presbyterians. But the only ones they have ordained who are married are converts; there is no one I know of who has been ordained while married except converts. So they come in knowing the rules (that is, those who are not or have not been pastors who convert are not able to be ordained).

 

[ravenonthecross]

The Traditional Anglican Community has valid orders via Old Catholic or Polish National Catholic bishops, I believe.